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I don't think VP ever said that he came up with the idea independently.He said numerous times (and wrote) that he learned from various men of God, scattered across the continent. As far as him saying that God would teach him the Word as it hadn't been known since the first century if he would teach others: God teaching him the Word doesn't have to be direct revelation without human contact. His statement could also mean that God taught him the Word, thru men of God, scattered across the continent, along with his own study and reasoning ability.

Interesting! Raf, this is what I thought about most of VP's writings, he adopted the belief of those who he learned from.But then there are those who advance the theory that if one writes about the same ideas as the one one learns from, but not giving the proper written acknowledgement along with it, it's called plagiarism. So would it be fair for me to believe that actual plagiarism is a word for word lifting, rather than the written acknowledgement or adaptation of beliefs? Do you concur?

Not enough to condemn VP now you are condemning the folks he learned from as "fringe". ha ha ha ha haB.G. Leonard, E.W. Kenyon, Stiles, Bullinger, Pillai, Martin Luther, etc. those are the biggies, yes they are all glassy eyed cultists on the fringe. Me too.:D-->

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Sounds like a wonderful program for wound addicts.

Didn't know he even had one, cool. Liberty can erode under perilous times unless we fight to protect it. Did you hear about the gun confiscations happening right now in Louisiana? Check this out: Gun Confiscations in New Orleans

Can We Worship Jesus Christ?

You mean the wrong teaching on tithing? Doesn't bother me in the least. I tried it. It didn't work for me. So I stopped doing it. No harm done. Ok so maybe I lost a few bucks. Hundreds. Maybe even thousands. Truth is, I probably would have wasted the bucks somewhere else. I've had my ups and downs in twi. It wasn't a cake walk all the time, anyone who was around for any length of time knows this. Lost 2 good friends who died, one got hit by a truck, another shot himself in the head. I think these were two guys who would have wanted me to eat the fish and spit out the bones, as I remember them.

I think there is definitely such a thing as wound addiction; problem is, folks who are the most addicted to wounds, who love to ongoingly revisit and regurgitate the pain and sufferings over and over again like an endless leaky faucet, who relish and seem to even worship their endless whining, seem to be the hardest to convince that there is a life outside of wounds. If momentus helps people get over it and move on, more power to momentus. Some people may really need it!

As far as worshipping Jesus is where we possibly missed the mark. I'm still getting used to the idea that it's ok to worship Jesus. After many years of waythink, this is a breakthrough.Wouldn't have hurt to explore that doctrine in greater detail, but perhaps it was necessary for things to go down the way they did, for us to fully understand God's unparalled, exhaulted position. I am STILL very comfortable with that belief.

It's a lie. Unless you can state factually and specifically what "preferential treatment" I received. I will admit that having family in twi made the experience more pleasant. That is true. But special treatment? I do not recall any. Rascal, if you assume that I received answers to my letters only because I had family in twi, that's a stretch. Again, you are surmising evil things you have no knowledge about. You can talk authoritatively about your involvement, not mine.

Being able to participate in God's Kingdom then, now and in the future is what I think you are talking about.I look at my involvement in twi as a part of all that. Try to look at it that way and maybe you'll see where I'm coming from... Wasn't wasted time... Part of God's plan for my life... Take what you learned from the experience and move on... Eat the fish and spit out the bones...

Rascal you seem to know lots of things without really thoroughly checking with the source. You do a lot of surmising, evil surmising.You freely talk about the fruit of some others, yet you fail to examine your own rotten-to-the-core fruit. I do not deny your experience and you are free to share YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE. Please do.But you shouldn't speak as if you know everything about everyone else's experience. When you say "we" and "us", you speak for everyone. You do not.

dmiller, In the later years, when he had letter screeners, I also experienced not getting answers directly from VP when a couple of my letters were screened, and others responded. But dang it, if you have a burning question and want VP himself to answer it, and he didn't, then I surmise if you didn't get satisfaction, you'd get fed up and leave. Why some people are so miserable about some of these things now comes off as just sour putrid fruit, speaking of fruit in ones' life. BTW, I did eventually get my questions answered, even if it wasn't from VP. And some of the answers weren't to my satisfaction anyway. But thats ok because it was still my choice to stay even with those not-so-perfect conditions.

Well, I would surmise that complaining about things that happened 20-30 years ago, now, doesn't help much of that, in any event.

I don't know about you but knowing that the dead are not alive now and have scriptural confirmation comforts me much.Don't know about knowledge alone building character. You are probably correct there. If you believe we were short on love and good works, that's a debatable point in and of itself. But why do you knock mastering and studying the Word to make your point? Personally, I wish I had access to this knowledge in twi when I went to the RC church!!

Rascal you are a piece of work.I personally attest to it. I remember sending him a letter very shortly after taking PFAL (1973), and getting a written answer shortly thereafter! A few months later, I personally asked him a question about WOW (this was in late 1973 at a camp) and he answered it. I think you demonstrate that your views are so corrupted, slanted and biased. You don't know everything that went down but yet "ye think" ye speak for everyone. Ptoewee

Mr. Hammeroni, You make it sound like its something evil or shameful to master and study the scriptures. I never really thought about why VP omitted those words "ye think" in that verse. Of course, if folks were really that concerned about it, they always had the option to ask, at that time, while he was alive. I actually don't know why they were omitted. Perhaps someone from the research dept. or someone else has an answer to that, who may have asked why.

Rascal you said these: Gee Rascal, it sounds like you are very confused about your brothers and sisters hearts and commitments while in twi. I think your corrupted ever-unrelenting evil thinking of Victor and the BOT has filtered down even to the twig level where folks did have pure hearts and motives...sigh

But our hearts were on worshipping God and moving the Word, so we couldn't have been all that bad. I see now that we missed the mark on worshipping Jesus, but it wasn't out of hate or malice, just not enough right teaching on the subject.

Cynic please check your private messaging.

No email after 15 minutes. I'll check back tonite or tomorrow.

Thanks for letting me know. I will register under another name.

If you haven't registered yet, try to do it now. I registered 5 hours ago and am still waiting for a confirmation email from them. Without the confirmation and registration, ya can't download it.