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Jkboehme, How do you know what is on/in another man's conscience?

Jkboehme, So then PFAL and other classes and teachings taught in twi were basically nothing more than repackaged paganism? Ok, please reveal what are the true doctrines of Christianity?

Jkboehme, So then PFAL and other classes and teachings taught in twi were basically nothing more than repackaged paganism? Ok, please reveal what are the true doctrines of Christianity?

It would be incorrect to assume that just because I may not comment on someone elses opinions means I am in agreement with them. Nice try though. :D

When one looks at all the facts, I don't see how anyone can seriously blame Koresh for what happened. He gets it though. Classic case of one entity doing evil deeds, yet blames someone else. This whole thing could have been avoided had forces and entities in our own government not been "agenda driven". A little more respect for our constitutional liberties would have been nice, as well... But I agree with you that our government contains sociopaths..obviously. I went to view the film again last night and record it on a DVD, but my VCR broke down on me....now I have an excuse to buy a new one. :P

Jkboehme, So then PFAL and other classes and teachings taught in twi were basically nothing more than repackaged paganism? Ok, please reveal what are the true doctrines of Christianity?

Mo, there wasn't any evidence that Koresh was "dangerous" or a leader of a "Dangerous Cult". Did you happen to view the film "Waco, The Rules of Engagement"? These folks were murdered by the FBI. The government had plenty of time to pick Koresh up weeks before the murders, if he was so "dangerous".

Belle, how can you be so sure?

Here's more information about government coverup of Oklahoma: Terror, Lies & Memos

And so VP's true aim and intent were to permanently destroy folks' ability to know, trust and love God?

Mark, thanks for the feedback. Well, they *could* be, if that is the only way a poor soul thinks they might get saved. Reminds me of when I was a youngster, I was living in so much fear and horror that I'd die and wouldn't go to heaven, not knowing whether I was God's child, or was good enough to eternally enter His kingdom, that I wore a cloth pendant, raising the odds that upon my death, it might matter. I remember reciting the Hail Mary over and over and over again. "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, amen". over and over and over and over .... I also remember that the Roman Catholic church has traditionally held that salvation may be attained only through observance of their sacraments. Therefore, they have set themselves apart as the only true church. Only through them, one may have a chance for salvation. But there are no guarantees!

So to sum up your post, Mark, you believe that salvation is by works?

I don't think they were similar at all. Twin towers had planes fly into them eventually causing all the destruction from the inside. Oklahoma was an outside explosion, that "supposedly" caused all the destruction of the building "from the outside".

Actions of leaders notwithstanding, any church that promotes the idea that salvation is works based (church, penance, mass, baptism, etc.) is not spiritually good. Unless they have changed, these are requirements for salvation in RC church.

On the other hand there have been many cases of pedophilia in the RC church. Youngsters required to service the priests in the name of God. And yet, folks still choose to fellowship with the RC church. And folks still choose to fellowship with twi. If that is how we will judge, then the same holds true for RC church. Let's not be hypocrites.

Doesn't the RC church do the same thing, i.e., put "fear of leaving" in folks? They did years ago, maybe they have changed. In any case, I don't automatically assume that twi folks are "afraid to leave". I leave open the possibility that they *want* to be there... just like the RC folks.

Seems pretty easy to summarize a man's life when viewed from an unmerciful, unforgiving, condemnational microscope.

That's it, thank you Excathedra. :) Gee you are more brainwashed than me. :o

This is still America. Folks are allowed to worship God how they choose, at whatever location they choose, and irrespective of a group's past. Wouldn't you agree?

There was no evidence whatever that he did. On the other hand, there was plenty of evidence (as exposed by The Rules of Engagement) that it was the FBI team that did it. Did it with CS gas. Did you watch the DVD? It's all on tape.

Nah that wasn't the verse. It was a verse that suggested that once everyone heard the word, then the Lord would return or something like that. I wish I could remember it.

That's exactly the way I feel about folks still in twi as well.

I do remember something like this, but if memory serves, it wasn't "word of the world", it was "everybody hearing the word", something like that -- and there was a verse of scripture that we used to back that up, but I can't find it right now.

A twig fellowship in every town and community.

Don't know if me getting involved is the answer, probably not. But change is still possible nevertheless. May take a long time. I do prefer to think in positive terms, rather than pray for twi's destruction. I'm reminded of these verses: Happy Weekend, one and all!