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Oakspear, are you really into Wiccanism or was that a joke?

You must be God, who knows and sees all things.Golly, I didn't think God was posting with us. :P I didn't know there was FRUIT of the flesh, I thought there were WORKS of the flesh. Yeah they committed adultery, a work of the flesh. But to say that they failed to have any fruit of the spirit, is something I did not know. Thanks God. :D

So then lemme get this straight. Are you saying that Dr. Wierwille taught the Corps that it was wrong for a man to touch a woman other than his wife? Geeze what hypocrisy, ya think?

Now you are accusing twi leaders and ministry of not having/manifesting the fruit of the spirit?

Johniam, No big deal to me either. I suppose the Apostle Paul also could be considered our father in the Word, since the greatness of the revelation we believe in and understand, came from him.

Preach the Word, teach the Word, pray, believe, be thankful to the one true God... Depends on what scriptures you are talking about. When one trusts God and Jesus, one doesn't need to trust in fruit, or labels.

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Time to take a break

The same verses I quoted above apply to you, me, twi, and anyone else. When someone fails to do the Word, they fail, be it you, me, twi, or anyone else. Feel free to post what you think applies to VP Wierwille, and I will read it. Can't promise you I will agree with any or all of your viewpoints though. My behavior doesn't always live up to the mark, for sure. But you know full well that whether one is a Christian or not, is not based upon one's behavior. Christianity is all about what God wrought in Christ Jesus. Christianity is Christ dying on the cross for your sins and mine, and folks who believe in that perfect sacrifice, confessing Christ as Lord and believing that God raised him from the dead. Christianity is about God and Christ and their good works...not humans' works. It is loathesome and pathetic when one of us accuses another brother or sister in Christ of not being a Christian, because of varying viewpoints, or lack of "good works". We know better than that, because of God's grace and Christ's perfect sacrifice. "It's not by works of righteousness, but by His grace alone".

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Sometimes leaders' behaviors reflected the inner spirit...sometimes the behaviors didn't. At the times the behaviors were not reflecting the inner holy spirit, does it mean that the spirit was absent?

Ceasing carnal behaviors doesn't necessarily mean man gets born again, or saved. The way one gets saved, born again, is to believe what the Word says: Romans 10:9 John 3:16 Acts 4:12

My definition of a "genuine Christian" is one who has "Christ in them the Hope of Glory". Doing what?

Because today is "man's day" when man does the judging. We have freedom of will to think the way we want to think, Godly thoughts or ungodly thoughts. We can be spiritually born again, but the gift of God does not guarantee that we will "walk worthy of the vocation". Salvation is for sinners. Everyone's poo poo stinks.

The easiest way I know "how to" forgive people who have hurt and wronged you, is to bear in mind "what God forgave *you* for."

Plagiarism itself has a stigma attached to it of the plagiarist intentionally being deceptive. This is what I am questioning: the intent and motive to deceive. If VP Wierwille was intentionally deceptive, wanting to deceive us into believing that his teachings were all original, why would he say, in 1972, "lots of the stuff I teach is not original"? Doesn't sound to me like it was his intent to deceive, when you consider other important evidence.

But he did confess. He said "lots of the stuff I teach is not original".

The way I see it, if he wanted to hide and lie and steal and deceive us into thinking that all his teachings were original, he would not have made the statement that his stuff was not original, and would not have included the books he learned from, right there in the bookstore for all to research. Why is this so hard to some to recognize? Perhaps because some folks just don't want to admit the obvious?

This is an interesting point that Mike also makes that I've been tossing around in my head. The possibility exists that the books and collaterals from PFAL were not designed for the masses, but designed only for "our household", which could be a possible explanation why he didn't execute proper written acknowledgement in them. I remember twi actively asking us not to distribute the PFAL books by themselves...i.e., they were just for us who already took the class. The rationale: "why give someone crumbs when they may eat the whole loaf." On the other hand, a book that was apparently designed for the masses that was never discouraged from distribution by itself, i.e., Jesus Christ is not God, does have proper written acknowledgement.

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