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I can share what I've experienced: The Novus Ordo mass and church is a much watered-down service of the original Latin Mass and service. They say it all changed in the '60s. The traditionalists (trad Catholics) say the Novus Ordo is infiltration of "protestants" to the church back when they passed Vatican 2 in the late '60s. "Trads" do not consider the new church valid and they don't even believe that Bergoglio is the Pope. I can't explain it all but if you google "novus ordo catholic church" a few good articles and explanation will pop up. Me, I go to both services and consider both valid but I think the traditional way is more serious and reverent.

Yes. The word she specifically used was "charisms". Here is a source that I thought was interesting: http://ccro-msp.org/charisms-holy-spirit/ Notice what they say about interpretation of tongues "tongues along with interpretation amounts to prophesy". Sounds like twi! I have been to a few Catholic charismatic services where there was a word of prophesy (much like twi = edification, exhortation and comfort) but some of them spoke in tongues without interpretation. I didn't talk to them about interpretation or holding back the tongues without interpretation; there wasn't much of it. Then at the end of the service the priest has a short Mass with Eucharist communion service. Then later praying, laying on of hands. This is all in the new Novus Ordo church not the traditional (which considers SIT and other manifestations invalid.)

Hi Folks, I recently attended a teaching on the manifestations-gifts of the Holy Spirit inside the Catholic Church. Some history of them inside the church, how and where it resurfaced in the early 1900's; then the lady actually demonstrates it with audience participation and testimonials. Most curious was the excellor session on the word of knowledge she demonstrates. Do you remember if we had done those in twi? It seems to me this woman is right on. What do you think?

HI Raf, thank you for the welcome back! I have a real good friend where I live in NY who's a devout Catholic who urged me to go and I'm so happy that I did. Although I still retain some TWI teachings, its a process to put them off and put on profound truths that I didn't learn in TWI. Perhaps somebody taught it but I wasn't paying much attention? https://www.biblestudytools.com/rhe/passage/?q=john+6:51-71;+john+6:66 Eat Jesus' flesh, drink his blood.? Never delved into those in TWI but He said it. Catholics believe Jesus comes back spiritually in the Eucharist its a spiritual mystery, spiritual phenomenon. I have heard it said that the Mass is like time travel... you are there with Jesus experiencing his sacrifice and all that it means. WOW. In God there is no time, God dwells in eternity. Here's something else. Jesus is returning? How about he is returning all the time in the Eucharist? How about he already returned in 70 A.D.? Have you studied Preterism? They say that Catholics are partial preterists? It's the doctrine that the body of prophesy of the end times has already been fulfilled in 70 A.D. There is no "return" as we thought of in TWI. No "gathering together."

Now I hope to get notified when somebody posts on this thread because I haven't been for months. Don't remember how everything works.

Thanks Raf, it was a mistake for me to post under the mod name.. complete brain fart. So yeah I go to both the Novus Ordo Mass and also the Traditional Latin Mass, and guess what I do most during those? You guess it, SIT.

Good morning folks! Hope everyone is doing great. Dropped in to find out if anything is new? Or coming back to the "proverbial soap opera" where 10 years has passed and nothing changed? I still speak in tongues much daily.... LOL...

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I like it Raffie

I know what you mean, but still disagree with the premise that it was forced; which may lead to the thought that one had no choice in the matter. Programs like WOW were a choice. Witnessing night was a choice. ( I know folks who didn't go WOW and did not show up for witnessing night (even me sometimes :D ); those were choices too.)) I tried to see it more than simply "trying to get something" (although it IS like trying to catch fish, being a fisher of men) but doing something (I believed was) profitable that may really help someone else, something outside of my usual regular comfortable, quiet, lazy self. I saw it as a great challenge too, which it definitely was, since I hate selling anything. Think about it... its not easy to walk up to someone and talk about God, whether in a mall or at someone's door. In addition to helping someone learn more about God that made some sense I think witnessing had the potential of building character, and overcoming fear. So I view this as something "I did" as opposed to being told I had to do this. My feeling is, if it is not done willingly, it is essentially valueless in the long run anyway. The part about selling PFAL then blowing out of town not caring about who is left there, is reasonable. I guess it depends on one's own mindset? Is one there simply to sell PFAL and not care a fig about the people who God brought in one's path, or view it as God bringing these people in one's path to be responsible to serve over a considerable length of time? Both mindsets were available, no doubt.

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Paw, Congratulations on your phenomenal weight loss. Keep up the good work.

Paw, I was hoping you would consider clarifying the forum rules by adding the part about the GS mission, so all posters know the boundary of content. It still seems like the pro-twi viewpoints are welcomed, but, not at the cost of the mission, whatever that means. Its vague, but I'm not going to beat a dead horse here. Thanks for your response.

DWBH, So as not to derail this thread, why not start a new thread for each question and address it to the entire group, not just me; that way with each question, we each can see where each stands on each issue.

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Too many varying questions at one time. Do I look like an encyclopedia? Perhaps you may want to start one question at a time, one topic at a time, on one thread at a time.

I didn't change a word... go back and re-read Paw's quote. But what is wrong with defending leadership, if that is what a poster wants to do? The rules currently state the following, in part: Nothing there about discouraging the defense of TWI leadership.

Right... and you suggested it was an insult twice already; but its not my intent to insult anyone, all I'm asking for is succinct clarity in what is acceptable posting content.