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This new "rule" did not exist for years, or at least it was not enforced.... but WhiteDove and I are recipients of its enforcement in the last few weeks; apparently one of our crimes is basically not being in alignment and harmony with the GS Mission. Some of our unsatisfactory statements (said respectfully BTW) are being censored out apparently being due to our contrary opinions notwithstanding. This is new in my GS posting experience. For years, contrary opinions were allowed. For years, I thought GS Cafe was a great place to freely express one's opinion, even mine contrary as it is, as long as it was done with respect. Due to my experience the last few weeks, I have seen that the free expression of ideas (posted respectfully) has been lost here.

DWBH, I can't speak for WhiteDove, but my answer to your attack on WhiteDove is as follows: when and where Dr. Wierwille rightly divided the word of truth, he taught the true Word; when and where he wrongly divided the word of truth, he taught error. (I think Jonny Lingo agrees wtih me on this as well.) Why you DWBH are so adamantly opposed to folks holding fast to those portions of rightly divided truth VP taught, is beyond me. Sounds like a personal vendetta you have against VP. But am open to hearing more. Gotta go now and enjoy the weekend. Have a good one.

Welcome back Jonny.

It's quite possible the illuminati wasn't discussed as much in the late 80's & 90's... but it was popular in twi in the 70's. Below is a short clip about it. (I didn't know about the little owl on the dollar bill. :o ). BTW, I think VP was teaching this stuff in the early 70's way before CG became his consultant.)

I currently ride a BMW R1200 GS (1200 CC) that gets me around 40-45 mpg depending on how fast I go. I used to have a BMW F650 CS (650 CC) that got 60 MPG.

Poughkeepsie New York -- $4.43 (super) Danbury Connecticut -- $4.58 (super) ( I use super in my motorcycle. I've been driving slower lately and getting better mileage.)

Lots of goodies and sound advice in there. Here's a clip from the health section "why so many are sick".

Maybe they just don't want to get into endless verbal arguments mean harassments and harangues by former friends who once loved them but now are corrupted with hate and venom against them?

Some of you seem to be forgetting that it was early VP/twi research and teaching and fellowship that bonded all the good stuff together and greatly contributed to "the ministry of Doop", "the ministry of Heefner", "the ministry of McN". That's why these early fellowships flourished, because of the simple love and believing of the good seed which was PFAL and other teachings taught by Wierwille and others. It was the love and believing and practical application of the true doctrine that was the nourishment that sustained and made available the true revival, working in coordination with Jesus and the holy spirit. That's why I continue to believe that VP's ministry was of the true God and one of the common denominators of that early revival.

Jeff, you asked the question: "Why would anyone who wants to speak for God, as this poster seems to want to, admit to spin? I don't get it!" If you're referring to me, I have not claimed a want or need to speak for God on the forums, or even want to take on that responsibility. I'm here to post opinions, nothing more, nothing less. Similarly, I view all posters' opinions in that light, they are opinions. Nothing more, nothing less. That's where I stand, so you know where I'm coming from.

Jeff, but you still spinned and your first statement was inaccurate. How can you demand truth without being truthful yourself? Regarding spin in the forums, I don't think it can be helped. Each person has their own perspective on things, and both pro-Wierwille/twi and anti-Wierwille/twi spin is allowed on the forums. I think most folks will agree on this point, I suppose. When I misquote or mischaracterize someone , i catch hell too, so it works both ways. Accuracy is important.

Jeff, your first post referring to the other posters' purpose on the site (presumably mine) was spin. Not true. Spin. Go back and re-read the quote and the context in which it was written. I think if you want to criticize spin, perhaps you should not engage it in yourself?

Yes, please provide the exact quote where this poster "stated that his/her purpose on this site was to provide a pro-twi spin on things."

I can't answer it without getting into another brawl about the individuals involved in a situation being responsible for their own actions no matter who they might be, so I just thought it'd be better left alone. You can think what you will, but I'm not answering any more of your questions so don't bother asking.

BOY oh boy that's a loaded question. You know what? I'm going to decline to answer because its Wednesday and I don't feel like getting into a brawl today.

I honestly don't know yet, guess it all depends on if Pawtucket chooses to enforce what he posted on Friday, and how. But his statement could possibly be taken that way: Pro-Wierwille/twi spin could possibly be construed as the above, when it wasn't ever intended that way. Personally I think that it would be a mistake to censor anything out, but I'm not the one to make that final decision.

Call it what you want but censorship can happen by non-governmental entities. Look it up. Here's the first sentence in wikipedia: "Censorship is the suppression of speech or deletion of communicative material which may be considered objectionable, harmful or sensitive, as determined by a censor."

That's the theme of the website, exposing the evils of twi. The emphasis already is on that. But if pro-Wierwille/twi spin isn't tolerated in the forums, what's left is possible twi-like censorship (i.e., there are some things you can't discuss and if you don't like it, leave). I'm not talking about being vulgar, heartless and disrespectful in posting, that's a given not to do; I'm talking about a legitimate opinion that, because it is construed by the owner of the website as offensive to victims' feelings, it is censored out. Respectful free speech is always the best way to go. The pro-Wierwille/twi spin here at GS are probably outnumbered 10 to 1 or more by the anti-Wierwille/twi spin. There's nothing to be afraid of, in my judgment.

Thanks for the tip Ham. The poster that personified this (for me) has been put on ignore. It works wonders and there may be more forthcoming.

Golly, I hope this isn't Genuine Spiritual Suspicion at work. :o To have a strong feeling based on one post seems ridiculous. I'm getting weary of answering all the nutty questions directed toward me, but ex you can PM me anytime if you ever want to talk things over privately. You may want to further explore whether that feeling is correct or incorrect.

now I see, I think this thread started off in the mud. This thread isn't about a memorial to Sandra, it's about condemnation of VP as a murderous monster. It was all but suggested in the first few posts. If we want to do a proper memorial for Sandra Ann Sullivan it should be posted in the "in memoriam" section of the forums where folks may share their feelings about Sandra and give respects and admiration for Sandra's life and the hope to see her smiling face again at the return of Christ, without malice toward anyone else.

From what I read about the incident these folks had no responsibility whatever. I am totally unsupportive and unsympathetic of VP's actions accusing way corps folks of the death of Gary Dunhoff. Never thought, wrote or suggested it was ok.

Paw, I went back and re-read my posts regarding sky and they have been respectful. I even thanked her after her last post. My opinions are disagreeable on certain elements, but respectful. No diminishment of others. I've posted much worse in the past, you know that. Anyway, have a great weekend, one and all.

Humiliating someone like this in public especially from the owner of a website does little but encourage anger and retribution, not repentance. Taking it private is the respectable and right thing to do, which is why its suggested in the forum rules.