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A friend of a friend of mine told me he understood every word the guy was signing.

Everything we do (and don't do) affects someone, somewhere, somehow. I agree with that. That's really more of a subject for discussion in a philosophy oriented forum. Wierwille's "Word in Culture" was really a veiled sales campaign, meant to redefine and broaden our idea of the market. It was geared toward saturating that market with his "product". Up until then, generally speaking, we were somewhat limited in who we considered potential customers. We had a niche product. With this new campaign, Wierwille was expanding the definition of his customer base to include parts of the population that had previously been overlooked. Create a need and desire for the product and then sell it. It's a simple marketing strategy that we see being used all around us. Why not use it to sell PFAL related goods? That's what it was all about--selling PFAL to every nook and cranny of the population that may have otherwise been overlooked.

Oh, heavens no! I just thought I saw a pattern beginning to build, as it so often does when Biblical comparisons come into the mix.

Hey, kids! I've got a great idea! Let's see how far we can drive this one off topic again before anybody notices. hahahahahaha!

skyrider: Even New Knoxville....2 miles away....has little respect for them. johniam: (a prophet is not without honor except where?) -------------------------------------------------------------------- They're not prophets. They're an abusive cult, not worthy of honor.

You have to wonder, though, a hundred years from now, will people still speak of the colon cleanse with fond remembrance?

We only thought it was a meteor. It was probably more like a firefly.

More like the petri dish variety. All the experiments have been done and the results indicate failure.

The Way is more like a bacteria culture.

"I should have bolted when I walked in to HQ for the first time in 15 years and saw everyone dressed up in formal dress rather than Jeans and T-shirts which was the norm when I was first there." Yeah, it's funny how transitions that happen slowly seem to sneak by you. One day I was wearing tie-dyed tee shirts and before I even noticed, I was wearing dress shirts and carrying a briefcase.

On a side note: He wasn't a "Patriarch". (To his own kids, yes. To everyone else, no.) I suppose it wouldn't have had quite the impact it did if it had been titled "Another country bumpkin croaked.".

I agree, Mr. Squirrel. It's like the proverbial skull and crossbones icon. No one is "happy" to see it. However, it's good to know if you have or are about to consume something that is hazardous so you can take appropriate measures.

BUMP

I'm so sorry, excie. No one should have had to endure one bit of that crap. On the other hand, I'm very grateful there is someone as courageous as you to set the record straight for those who still think it was some kind of Shangri-La or something.

Now more evidence of Wierwille's plagiarism has come to light. Wierwille in 1963 published a pamphlet called "How to Be a Christian." This was reprinted as part of the book The New Dynamic Church (NDC) in 1971, and may have been published in a similar form as "The Joy of His Fellowship" in The Way Magazine in 1957 and as a booklet in 1953. The same material was originally published by E.W. Kenyon as Chapter 20 of his book The Father and His Family (FHF). Again, Wierwille did not place the borrowed material in quotation marks, nor did he cite or suggest the existence of any source. Kenyon's book was published before his death in 1948, years before Wierwille's writings appeared. Compare these excerpts from the two works: Kenyon: I suppose I have lost faith in myself. You see I have wanted to be a Christian, I have wanted to have God's help in this fight of life. I have gone to the altar again and again, and received nothing. I've sought and cried after God so many times and failed. (FHF, pg. 229) Wierwille (The Searcher): I suppose ... I have lost faith in myself. You see, I really wanted to be a Christian, to have God's ... help in life ... I went to the altar again and again and yet I received nothing. I have sought and cried after God so much and so many times that I feel that I am a complete failure. (NDC, pg. 1) Kenyon: Did you ever realize that salvation is a gift, that it is not necessary that you go any place to get it? You can find it anywhere. Did you ever realize that it is not what you do, but what He did for you that counts? All there is to receiving Eternal Life, becoming a child of God is to receive something instead of giving something. You have tried to get it by earning it. (FHF, pg. 229) Wierwille: Did you ever stop to think that salvation is a gift, that it is unnecessary for you to go anywhere to get it? You can find God anywhere ... . Do you realize that to receive salvation is not dependent upon what you do but what He did for you? Do you realize that to be a child of God, to receive Eternal Life ... is to receive something instead of giving something? You have missed the joy of His fellowship because you have tried to earn or work for it. (NDC, pg. 1) SOURCE EDIT: If you're still in TWI and reading this, NOW should be your "when" moment.

Much of his positive confession/law of believing material came from Kenyon. He may have mentioned Kenyon in passing but, I've never seen a formal citation to that effect. The interesting thing about the bookstore is that they sold extraneous materials, from time to time, but we were always encouraged to give Way materials priority and precedence to their study and accuracy. At one time (I believe the early 1980's) we were encouraged to study nothing but "The Blue Book". You may recall that, in one session of PFAL, Bullinger's book was used to "prove" that Bullinger and Wierwille had independently come to the same conclusion regarding four having been crucified with Christ. (Which, by the way, has long since proven to be flawed research, anyhow.)

It's like .This is the song that doesn't end. Yes, it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it not knowing what it was, And they'll continue singing it forever just because . . . This is the song that doesn't end. Yes, it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it not knowing what it was, And they'll continue singing it forever just because . . . This is the song that doesn't end. Yes, it goes on and on my friend. Some people started singing it not knowing what it was, And they'll continue singing it forever just because . . ..................................................................................................

Breaking News There is no Plan B. Just keep the trains running on time and hope they don't jump the track.

I should have bolted when, in session #5, it was revealed to me that I had been duped into taking the class via "date and switch".

I did a Wiki search on Peter Pan and this is part of what I found. It details some of the character's personality traits.It's easy to draw some parallels. :P Personality Peter is mainly an exaggerated stereotype of a boastful and careless boy. He is quick to point out how great he is, even when such claims are questionable (such as when he congratulates himself for Wendy's successful re-attachment of his shadow). In the book and play, as well as both film adaptations, Peter either symbolises or personifies the selfishness of childhood, shown in Barrie's work through constant forgetfulness and self-centred behaviour. Peter has a nonchalant, devil-may-care attitude, and is fearlessly cocky when it comes to putting himself in danger. Barrie writes that when Peter thought he was going to die on Marooners' Rock, he felt scared, yet he felt only one shudder run through him when any other person would have felt scared up until death. With his blithe attitude towards death, he says, "To die will be an awfully big adventure". He repeats this line as an adult in the film Hook (1991), during the battle with Hook near the film's climax. He then inverts the phrase at the film's very end claiming, "To live will be an awfully big adventure". This line was actually taken from the end of the last scene in the play, when the unseen and unnamed narrator ponders what might have been if Peter had stayed with Wendy, so that his cry might have become, "To live would be an awfully big adventure!", "but he can never quite get the hang of it".[11] In some variations of the story and some spin-offs, Peter can also be quite selfish and arrogant. In the Disney adaptation (1953), Peter appears very judgemental and pompous (for instance, he calls the Lost Boys "blockheads", and when the Darling children say they should leave for home at once, he misunderstands their wish and angrily assumes they want to grow up). Nonetheless, he has a strong sense of justice and is always quick to assist those in danger. In the 2003 live-action film, Peter Pan is sensitive about the subject of "growing up". When confronted by Hook about Wendy's growing up, marrying, and eventually "shutting the window" on Peter, he becomes very depressed and finally gives up on Wendy. SOURCE

Now, honestly, who would ever want to leave a place like that?

"Will there ever be an end to this nonsense?" Probably not.

Zbrick I don't think you are grasping the significance of P.O.P. (Document appears HERE.) It was not written by a GSC subscriber, it was written by Chris G33r. He claimed this was a factually accurate accounting of his last days with Wierwille. He presented it as if it was some sort of modern day epistle to the church. He set himself in a lofty position, like an apostle to be followed. Simply stated, it was a power grab for control of The Way. I could go on and on but there are already threads that discuss the content of the document. You might want to read them. You could, alternatively, start your own thread and discuss it again if you so desire. Cutting to the chase.....The document, itself, is not what's being discussed here. What's being discussed is your misrepresenting a crucial aspect of its content. You said that Wierwille admitted his "indiscretions". That is not true. He did not come clean and apologize, not in P.O.P. nor anywhere else.

You stated in your blog post that Wierwille had admitted his "indiscretions". He never did any such thing. Are we back on topic now?