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To what do you attribute your longevity, sir? "RC Cola and Moon Pies."

It's already happening. CLICK They have the Corps Principles, a L.E.A.D. program and, now, a W.O.W. program

Gotta go, honey, I'm gonna be late for TWIG!

"What did Christendom ever do before TWI came along?" ............................................................. The literacy rate in the US is 99% of the total population As of this minute the current population is 306,140,308 there is One birth every.................................. 8 seconds One death every.................................. 12 seconds One international migrant every.................. 35 seconds Net gain of one person every..................... 13 seconds So that would mean 306,141 people in the US is illiterate This is based on US census bureau data and the United Nations Development Programme. Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_in_America_are_illiterate#ixzz1JmpzadqI ...................................................................... Yes, that's right. 306,141 people in the United States, alone, will never know the joy that comes from studying the deep spiritual significance of the word "IF" for countless hours on end. It's heartbreaking, to say the least.

Interview with a 2,000 year old man! Part 1 Part 2

Here's a nice little tune about crowns and stuff. (Y'all sing along now, ya hear?)

come all without.... come all within

"continuance"....Yeah, I like that term better than "afterlife". Thanks

Who said your answer was not "short enough" for me? I never said that. No one is trying to ban you or limit your voice. I will say this, though. I think you have misinterpreted my question. I didn't ask if anyone believed in an afterlife. (I'm intentionally using the generic term because the general essence is understood by a diverse cross section of faiths and beliefs.) I asked what impact it would have if an afterlife was not included in the Christian package. I think we can extend that question to generally include other faiths that may be represented here. Your answer was that it would have a major impact for you. Then, you went on to explain why you felt that way. That's all I really asked for. There is no right or wrong answer. I'm not asking if there is an afterlife. I'm asking how the concept affects you. Do you see the difference? By "Sunday School" I mean proselytizing. It's just that simple. You don't have to"convince me" why you feel the way you do or win me over to your opinion. (ie: proselytize)

John, do your feet ever get tired from doing the strawman shuffle? I mean really, John, "anybody who disagrees with you"? Is that really what the poster said?

Hide Your Love Away http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz7IjXu0DfQ

How could anyone possibly NOT know what John's "chosen belief system" is? He's been trying to cram it down everyone's throat for over a decade.

I'm sorry you think of serving your fellow man as some sort of "job". That's really kind of sad, in a way.

Thank you. You managed to nail down my point in just three short sentences.

No, you don't have to be Jesus. But, you are saying that, because Jesus didn't adjust his communication, you don't need to either. However, as you so conveniently pointed out, he actually DID adjust his communication as the situation warranted.

Moon Pies for everyone!

the ultimate foe You mean ?

And so, unto the world another child is born Nestled in his mother's arms the child's kept warm Knows not she the power that the child soon shall find The universe shall be his throne He'll smash the gates of time Knows not she the power that he soon shall utilize Secrets once well hidden men shall see then through his eyes Time and space shall not erase the wisdom he shall speak Men of time which lies ahead this wisdom then shall seek Look about you once again perhaps you'll see his smile shining through your brother's eyes Shining for the while

Only once....he was a "time" lord, you know.

William Shakespeare - To be, or not to be (from Hamlet 3/1) To be, or not to be: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; No more; and by a sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep; To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub; For in that sleep of death what dreams may come When we have shuffled off this mortal coil, Must give us pause: there's the respect That makes calamity of so long life; For who would bear the whips and scorns of time, The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely, The pangs of despised love, the law's delay, The insolence of office and the spurns That patient merit of the unworthy takes, When he himself might his quietus make With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear, To grunt and sweat under a weary life, But that the dread of something after death, The undiscover'd country from whose bourn No traveller returns, puzzles the will And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience does make cowards of us all; And thus the native hue of resolution Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, And enterprises of great pith and moment With this regard their currents turn awry, And lose the name of action. - Soft you now! The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons Be all my sins remember'd.

I think I see your point. If there is no eternal life, there can't be any awards presentation. The two are intertwined. I hadn't really thought about that when I started the thread. So, for the sake of argument, think of the eternal life as the sole reward.

When in Rome....

Are you Jesus?

I have to put myself in the "not sure" camp. Remember, now, the question is NOT whether you believe there is an "afterlife". (Yes, I know the term isn't strictly Biblical but it spans a variety of belief systems and is widely understood to mean that dimension which lies beyond the moment when we shed our mortal coil.) I used to think I was sure of that aspect when I still bought into the whole concept of speaking in tongues being the proof, etc. It must have been in about 1976,77,78...not sure... a group of Way Corps stayed with FellowLaborers one weekend on their way to some work assignment. They were all fired up about some new teaching that was being done for the Corps about eternal rewards and crowns or trophies at the Bema or some such thing. They spoke in a highly competitive manner about who was going to get he biggest and best and most bejeweled crowns. It really creeped me out, especially because no one else seemed to be bothered by it. I had never thought of it that way before. To my thinking, up to that point, you gave of yourself because it was what you chose in your heart to do. Doing the "right" thing, simply because you perceived it to be the right thing, not because you expected remuneration. In fact, my Mother, whom some of you knew personally, taught us when we were little kids, that to give because you expected something in return was a form of selfishness. I mean, isn't that why we all joined together for the FellowLaborer experience? Apparently not! That was a shocker. So, here I am in the sixth seventh decade of my life and it seems like just yesterday that I heard my Mother imparting these lessons in living. I like to think I would continue to try my best to live by The Golden Rule, regardless of what may or may not lie beyond.... and not beat myself up so bad when I fail to do so. For me, that last part has always been the toughest.

Not my answer, Leiber and Stoller's answer. They wrote the song, not me. No one is asking you or anyone else to "believe" anything. The question is really not all that complex. Simply stated, it's this:, "If you removed the "afterlife" (for lack of a better word) from Christianity and left everything else intact, what effect would that have on your perceptions/actions?" Wierwille posed the same question in PFAL. But, in PFAL, he supplied an answer, as well. He said, "We would have had the best time going." The "here-after" is a major component of many religions, not just Christianity. How can one be able to embrace or understand their particular faith and not be open to discussion of it's major tenets?