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The essence of this thread is not about what the "other" minister said at the boy's funeral, it's about Wierwille telling us that the mother's fear killed the little boy. In fact, just to demonstrate how citing the words of this minister at the funeral is being used a diversionary tactic, try leaving that part of the story out and read it again. Kinda like when you read a sentence that says "Bobby and me" and you try to figure out if it should say "Bobby and I " by leaving Bobby out of the sentence. In other words, what the other minister said at the funeral is irrelevant to the point that Wierwille was making . The only function it(adding the ministers words) serves is to add color to the incident by introducing yet another doctrinal seed of thought.

Neo Do you think my posts attack Dr.? I really don't think they do. The doctrine he taught was poison, especially the nonsense about the supposed "law of believing". Is that statement an attack on the man or simply an expose of the false doctrine he taught? If I say the man was alcoholic sexual predator, is that an attack or an observation? Regarding your question about the time factor: There was a very long period that I did not disagree with what I was taught because I was, for the most part, ignorant about what really happened. That's my answer in a nut-shell.

You want to know what killed that boy? I'll tell you. Some dumbaxe AC grad told him he was born of the wrong seed so he went and committed suicide!! Sorry. It still pizzes me off. He was like a brother to me.

I think I used that answer on one of the questions in the "Home Studies" series. Shhhhh!!!---- Let's keep that our little secret.

Hello, Neo You have stated you believe what Dr. taught. I have taken the liberty of bolding that portion of your post. Is there something in particular that you believe or are you making an all inclusive statement?

Here ya go, Chef

What's up with the obsession to compare VPW with men of Biblical or historical note? So far he's been likened to David, The Apostle Paul and now Dr. King. I think he's more like Harold Hill from Meredith Wilson's The Music Man. Except that in The Music Man, Harold has a change of heart and everybody lives happily ever after.

Buddy Miles (1947-2008) R.I.P.

An adage is a familiar and/or popular saying. It's a common expression, unlike "the sins of the teacher do not negate the truth in the teachings", which is not an expression that I personally recognize as being either familiar to many people or commonly used by the general populace. An adage is not some sort of profound statement of wisdom and truth. Here are two adages that are at opposite ends of the spectrum: 1. Birds of a feather flock together. 2. Opposites attract. Which adage is the provable one? Furthermore, it's one heck of a stretch of reality to suggest that VPW was on some sort of parallel with Dr. King.

Well there you have it, folks. VeePee SAID it couldn't be faked so that settles it. After all, VeePee wouldn't lie, now would he? Hmmmm?--- Now where is that scripture reference that says it can't be faked? Oh--- I forgot, we just have to "trust" him.

It's definitely no laughing matter when you hit one at full speed on the freeway. Believe me, I've been there. I don't wish that on anyone.

Don't be so sure. I'm often stumped on these. That one, however, I do know so I'm going to step aside.

Nope-----I only hear you whining that you think people are "ganging up" on "The Teacher".

Yeah, me too.

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Which one were you?--HeeHeeHee!!

I know this says Ella but it's really Etta

Oldiesmanonian Theology is the target, not Oldiesman. It isn't personal.

I wouldn't have guessed Polythene Pam no matter how you quoted it. I only know that first line or two. Hey!! Since wing is new here, would it be OK if I relinquish my turn to him/her?

Honestly, I don't really care if he(VPW) was or wasn't. And I no longer believe that speaking in tongues is some infallible proof beyond proof of someones' spiritual state. Even VPW admitted that he successfully faked it at least once. Then later, he stated that it was impossible to fake it. What I do believe is that he was an unscrupulous snake oil salesman who developed a very successful multi level marketing scheme at the expense of a lot of good hearted(but gullible) people like you and me. If you just take a moment and look at it all, stripped down and naked, without all the religious trappings, it becomes a whole lot clearer that he scammed us. Of course, there are some people who will never dare to do that because they were so thoroughly(or was that throughly ) indoctrinated to never allow their minds to consider any alternative to what "the teacher" assured us to be the ultimate enlightenment. They have my sympathy.

Strangely, it has a somewhat opposite effect on me. It makes me angry as he!! when I sense that a superior is trying to manipulate me and belittle me. Yeah, you can scream in my face all day long and it won't phase me but when I sense that I am being undermined and played for a sap, it really ticks me off.(screams or no screams) I think part of that stems from an incident in Fellow Laborers where we were locked in the limb BRC and subjected to a "make or break" weekend session. One of our FL sisters experienced what I would call a nervous breakdown. (I know that's not the correct term.) It was not a pretty site. She was never the same again as long as I knew her in the program. I really, really hope she eventually got the help she needed and rightfully deserved I don't think what they did to me had such a big effect personally but seeing what they did to her affected me profoundly. Does that make sense?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess Walk This Way by Aerosmith. Based more on the cadence than a recollection of the lyrics.

Has anyone besides me ever considered that Mat. 5:28 may be symbolic in nature? Maybe it isn't talking about something that, for the most part, is a natural function of the male mind. If men waited until they were married before they had sexual thoughts involving women---------------Well, there would be a whole lot more single men because sexual attraction is a natural part of the process, both for men and women. Like Frank said, the first century was a long time ago. We really don't understand what it was like to live in that culture. So, by trying to understand that verse in the context of our current culture(and the meanings of the words in that verse) we fail to explore the possibility that it is not talking about what we seem to think is so obvious.