waysider

Sorry.That one might be too obscure.Can someone else take the next one?Here's the answer-------

Research.

doojable Posted Today, 01:01 PM Was vp's time in India every recorded anywhere else but in Way propaganda material? The man on the train... "I believe God can heal me but I don't believe in your Jesus..." Did he do this on his own or just follow someone else around and feed off of them? Then there was that casting out of devils session spoken about in the Adv class, involving he and the Missus... IIRC she was the one who realized there was one more left ("We're all gone now!") and she was the one who "found" the spirit of infanticide.... Did it happen? Does anyone have any facts? Or is it all hearsay ------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is my suspicion that the India story may be derived from something VPW found in the writings of E. Stanley Jones, who spent many years in India as a minister. I have not read a great deal of Jones' writings, but what I have read bares a striking similarity in content and style to VPW's recounting of his experiences in India. You may recall that it was E. Stanley Jones who is credited with the origin of the quote, "Fear is sand in the machinery of life". Thus, I believe VP was familiar with the contents of the multitude of writings by Jones. Perhaps he discovered something in these writings that he could either use in a wholesale manner or found something he could modify to suit his intentions. I don't have the energy, resources or desire to pursue that possibility to fruition. Personally, I find it adds to the intrigue and mystique of these events, to suggest that they happened in some far away place in another time. It would seem to be almost impossible to prove or disprove. On the other hand, it might be entirely possible to prove or disprove whether or not these stories had their origin with Eli Stanley Jones. The above theory is strictly speculation. edited to add this: It wouldn't surprise me a bit if someone were to come along now and suggest that God "told" VPW to use this material as if it really happened to him personally.

Nastrovia!!

OK---Here's some more blues. Gotta keep it somewhat mainstream. This one's been covered by hundreds of people since Hudson Whittaker(Tampa Red) wrote it back in 1928. Thus, it's gotten lots of airplay and the artist is--------- whoever you prefer. ( My personal favorite is Paul Butterfield, but Clapton did a pretty good version recently as well.) The cops took my baby in. She didn't need no bail. She shook it once for the judge And he put the cops in jail.

The Texas Cannonball

Mike Smith, lead singer/ organist for The DC5, has passed away.

No sweat, Neo A big part of the attraction here is the freedom to state your case openly, whether or not anyone agrees. The only caveat is to stay within the framework of the rules. Peace, waysider

Oh my!!I can't pass this one up.Born Under A Bad Sign.Here it is by The Man himself--- Albert King.

WTH The essence of that teaching is that fear, not necessarily terror or horror, but fear, in any form or degree, will result in negative consequences. I increased the font size to emphasize that this is the nucleus around which the lesson was built. The minister's comments at the funeral act as an embellishment, not as a key element. The idea that "the fear of the mother killed the little boy" can be conveyed without ever mentioning that minister. Therefore, it is extraneous. Anyhow, I think what really killed that little boy was seeing how the red drapes clashed with their lavender sofa.

Drawing a big "goose-egg" on this end. 0

Hi, coolchef There are tons of them on youtube.

Many years ago, I knew a man who became suddenly ill with a somewhat rare and deadly illness. This disease requires prompt medical intervention for the person to stand a chance of survival. Although he was not a "little boy", I think his legacy speaks to this question. According to what I was told, at that time, his demise was the result of "freaking out" about the severity of the condition and a failure to "believe" for healing. You know what killed that man? The attempt to try to change reality by virtue of an insane doctrine called "the law of believing".

Roy Great ideas don't die when people forget about them, they simply go dormant and wait for the right conditions before they germinate. I think the question is not so much "How do you fertilize them?" but "When do you fertilize them?" If you fertilize them when they are dormant, you will most likely be disappointed in their development. Still, that doesn't mean you neglect to oversee their safety and well being in the interim.

Whammer Jammer!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well, since you seem to allegedly be on a roll Oldies, Perhaps you should have inserted the word "allege" a few more times. Kinda like this: "The parallel I'd make is that both were alleged adulterers, both allegedly had great messages, and the messages allegedly are worth considering and repeating despite their alleged sins."

The essence of this thread is not about what the "other" minister said at the boy's funeral, it's about Wierwille telling us that the mother's fear killed the little boy. In fact, just to demonstrate how citing the words of this minister at the funeral is being used a diversionary tactic, try leaving that part of the story out and read it again. Kinda like when you read a sentence that says "Bobby and me" and you try to figure out if it should say "Bobby and I " by leaving Bobby out of the sentence. In other words, what the other minister said at the funeral is irrelevant to the point that Wierwille was making . The only function it(adding the ministers words) serves is to add color to the incident by introducing yet another doctrinal seed of thought.

Neo Do you think my posts attack Dr.? I really don't think they do. The doctrine he taught was poison, especially the nonsense about the supposed "law of believing". Is that statement an attack on the man or simply an expose of the false doctrine he taught? If I say the man was alcoholic sexual predator, is that an attack or an observation? Regarding your question about the time factor: There was a very long period that I did not disagree with what I was taught because I was, for the most part, ignorant about what really happened. That's my answer in a nut-shell.

You want to know what killed that boy? I'll tell you. Some dumbaxe AC grad told him he was born of the wrong seed so he went and committed suicide!! Sorry. It still pizzes me off. He was like a brother to me.

I think I used that answer on one of the questions in the "Home Studies" series. Shhhhh!!!---- Let's keep that our little secret.

Hello, Neo You have stated you believe what Dr. taught. I have taken the liberty of bolding that portion of your post. Is there something in particular that you believe or are you making an all inclusive statement?

Here ya go, Chef

What's up with the obsession to compare VPW with men of Biblical or historical note? So far he's been likened to David, The Apostle Paul and now Dr. King. I think he's more like Harold Hill from Meredith Wilson's The Music Man. Except that in The Music Man, Harold has a change of heart and everybody lives happily ever after.