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    Discussion on the "Vaccine"

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    Just now, Rocky said:

    Apropos of NOTHING. People die every day. If you had even the slightest critical thinking skill, you'd recognize that has nothing to do with anything on this discussion thread. NO connection was made to anything related herein. 

    Oh, this isn't a thread about 'covid' ?? okaaayyyy...btw, when you up for your booster ? (third shot ?)

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    1 minute ago, GT said:

    There is zero support for covid and/or vaccine conspiracy theories here.

    This site will not be promoting them or give them voice.

    Can be stupid somewhere else.

    OK, GS forum just became as bad as TWI, you just proved it.

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    21 minutes ago, waysider said:

    As with any treatment or vaccine, data continues to be collected and evaluated even after it's been released for use. This is called phase 4. 

    Well, excuse my vulgarity but THIS particular phase 4 SUCKs if kids and adolescents dying of myocarditis and pericarditis is how they do their trials ! and in answer to you requesting 'clarity' on my view of this, I don't know how much clearer I could be. I think anyone that has rushed out to get this covid shot AND then rushed their kids and grandkids to do the same is a 'covidiot'....

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    11 minutes ago, waysider said:

    Taiwan has temporarily halted second doses for 2 weeks while it further assesses data.

    This is a long way from your implication they've found it to be unsafe.

    Ah yes, of course, and no-ones 'guessing' outcomes as they go along...are they ? I mean, as you said, the testings all been done, been given the thumbs up and good to go yeah ? The medical experts and Big Pharma all know and are sure this is all working out as planned yeah ?....and my names Dorothy Owens and I'll show you how to eat corn cob with a knife and fork lol

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    10 minutes ago, Rocky said:

    Dude, you have no idea what critical analysis or critical thinking skills are all about. I'm not interested in your bait. You have no idea who owns which news reporting agency. 

    If you really are so interested in knowing when the US sneezes, you'd tap into key US news sites.

    You don't. You're a fraud.

    grasping at straws there my friend...which 'key' US news sites do you recommend 'Rockstar Grandpa' ? CNN ? MSN ? New York times ? And don't tell me, your fave News 'Anchor' is Don Lemon ? Cuomo ?

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    1 minute ago, waysider said:

    Taiwan has temporarily halted second doses for 2 weeks while it further assesses data.

    This is a long way from your implication they've found it to be unsafe.

    No implication at all, you're getting hysterical now ! :rolleyes:

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    21 minutes ago, Allan said:

    I can understand your 'wishing it wasn't so' after encouraging the Grandkids to go get the 'shot' !! BUT, if Taiwan News (Taiwans own Media group) is distrustful to you then you're well and truly down the 'covid' hole :nono5:

    Taiwan News is one of the most widely visited English-language portals for news about Taiwan, offering the outside world a revealing look at all things ...
    ‎Politics · ‎World · ‎Society · ‎Business



    Seems pretty 'legit' to me !!!

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    4 minutes ago, Rocky said:

    Just because the site uses Taiwan in it's URL/name, you think it's credible? Is that the only test you know how to apply in your "critical analysis" to get at facts? If so, that's kinda lame.

    I can understand your 'wishing it wasn't so' after encouraging the Grandkids to go get the 'shot' !! BUT, if Taiwan News (Taiwans own Media group) is distrustful to you then you're well and truly down the 'covid' hole :nono5:

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    1 hour ago, Bolshevik said:

    Viruses themselves are thought to play a part in driving evolution by altering DNA.  

     

    Just throwing that out there.

    So, I'd say you've been hit pretty hard with a swathe of viruses :shithitsfan:

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    2 hours ago, Rocky said:

    The "about us" page for that website has several articles with Ben Carson's picture on them.

    When I did an internet search on the phrase "Taiwan Halts 2nd Dose of Pfizer Covid-19 Jab for 12-17 Year Olds" the only source cite I recognized was rt.com (Russia Today).

    IOW, I question the source of this report.

    What google link do you use ? Rocks ? lol...my google search came up with plenty including the Taiwan News (Taiwans own major newspaper)...I think they'd get it straight right ?!

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    35 minutes ago, Rocky said:

    The "about us" page for that website has several articles with Ben Carson's picture on them.

    When I did an internet search on the phrase "Taiwan Halts 2nd Dose of Pfizer Covid-19 Jab for 12-17 Year Olds" the only source cite I recognized was rt.com (Russia Today).

    IOW, I question the source of this report.

    Perhaps find out why no Western mainstream media have put it out yet ? Maybe they're waiting for 'approval' ??

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    1 hour ago, skyrider said:

    "Myocarditis has become the 'new Boogey man"........

    Speaking of myocarditis, a news report from Taiwan has just surfaced.  If this report is confirmed, then another country is taking precautions on vaccinations on young kids.  I will wait for further updates to comment any further......but here is the link.

    Taiwan Halts 2nd Dose of Pfizer Covid-19 Jab for 12-17 Year Olds

     

    While America plows full steam to vaccinate 5-year-olds, Taiwan has slammed the breaks on injecting minors with the COVID-19 jabs.

    Citing the risk of myocarditis, Taiwan halted the 2nd dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 jab for 12-17-year-olds.

    Statistics in the United States show the risk of youth developing myocarditis after the 2nd dose is 10x higher than the 1st dose.

    Taiwan has taken notice of the alarming trend and adjusted its policy for vaccinating its youth.

    ......[snip]

     

     

    Hope Rockys Grandkids have only had the one !!!...and not the Moderna either !!!! (I mean that sincerely)

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    2 hours ago, socks said:

    Speaking of which - 9 years ago Pericarditis got me into Emergency, where I then had a "cardiac event" on the table where they were testing me. At the time I just knew I had an increasing feeling like a knife was being churned in my chest and it was during them trying to diagnose the pain when the heart attack occurred and they discovered I had 3 badly clogged arteries including one that was pretty much shut down to a trickle I guess. Par for the course - a triple bypass was planned.

    Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, Peri-c is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. Both have been seen in children, more young males that others, after the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines. Symptoms can occur a few days after the vaccination and with treatment recovery is full and within a few days. Add "mileage may vary" to that, I'm sure. 

    This is of course a huge issue but it doesn't appear to be widespread at all. Now - I'm not a young male but even at my age and history, there's a concern - fortunately I didn't get any actual heart muscle damage when I had my infection and "event", and my heart even at 62 held up very well. The advice to me for Moderna's 2 dose and boosters has been I'm still in a very low risk group so the vaccine is worth it. Close monitoring of health after is important though, and I've done fine and nothing like heart-chest pain symptoms occurred. (and once you've been through it you know the difference between it and "heartburn". 

    I wouldn't advise a child to NOT get the vaccinations due to that risk specifically. Both my grandchildren have tested positive after exposures and had no demonstrable symptoms. They haven't been vaccinated yet, but likely will be at some point, if all these mandates continue. (for the record I'm "pro choice", and have exercised my choice to be vaccinated and get the booster - but I'm not in a user group that is as active in public circles as a lot of the population but I can understand the concerns there on all sides, I think) On average as previously stated, I suggest humans currently residing on the planet Earth consider vaccinations. 

    A bigger issue in all this comes to mind too - overall health care and access to it. I have immediate access to a health care system, doctors, nurses, medical advice, pharmacies, etc. I may not "get in" immediately or faster than anyone else but I have coverage that I can use and it covers what I need. I also have had access to a low impacted supply chain so scheduling vac's and getting in has been easy compared to some places.

    Millions aren't and don't though - the so called "free" vaccinations aren't really, and there's little "free" wrap around health care to monitor and take care of adverse side affects or issues in case someone DOES have an issue and doesn't have any health plan....We like to describe ourselves as the wealthiest, most industrious and creative nation in history. There is a basic level of health care that we can extend to citizens here and I'd be willing to extend that in emergency services to those who are here illegally, and being processed through our system of citizenship whether going in or out. 

    Simply put, the severely ill and injured are going to end up in our emergency room/clinic system anyway - some provision of preventive and general health care and education would seem to be in everyone's interests. (I know there are a lot of exceptions, open holes to abuse and costs to doing any of that, I just don't want to lead with exceptions, I'd rather plan for a majority) 

     


     

    Well rounded thoughts ! Thankyou...

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