Allan

1 hour ago, Rocky said:

You seem to be projecting. 

Argument is a form of making a statement.

You've been doing it (arguing, albeit, not very successfully) all along. All of us who take a position are stating an argument.

That I try to encourage you to make cogent arguments means that I hope you can form your statements in a way that inspires your readers to see things the way you do. But if you don't make sense, it's increasingly unlikely anyone will get your point, other than that you are, as you said in a comment today, about what pi$$es you off.

You would have to reach into the imaginations of your readers and find something they can relate to. You being angry about something you have no possibility of influencing at all doesn't get the job done.

And if you think simply stating your position would make anyone care what you think... well... thank you for arguing.

In Thank You for Arguing, Jay Heinrichs endeavors to show why the lost art of rhetoric—the study of argument and persuasion—can help people understand the world, help them succeed, and generally improve their lives.

In Part One, “Offense,” Heinrichs lays out the basics of arguing. Every argument has three basic steps: first, stimulating the audience’s emotions, second, changing the audience’s opinion, and third, getting the audience to do or choose something.
 

 

I'm on GS forums to read some posts and if I feel inclined to offer my opinion...again, not trying to 'win' arguments (not sure why that bothers you so much ?) I'm not going to sit at the keyboard and analyze every keystroke before I hit it. If that's your buzz, Im happy for ya...it's just not my buzz to study the psychology of winning an argument just so I can....win an argument 

1 hour ago, Rocky said:

what do you have against making cogent arguments? What got the attention of editorial page editors when I started getting published (op-eds and letters to editors, nearly 30 years ago) was making arguments that were able to get people to look at issues/situations differently than they had previously. You're not succeeding with your endeavors if that's your intent.

Good golly, what don't you get ? I'm not trying to 'win' any argument. Just stating my thoughts and opinion and what I base them on. If you're on this forum to win arguments you must be either a/ missing your old job or b/ lacking something major in your life or c/ both !! 

38 minutes ago, Bolshevik said:

 

 

 

sounds like the perfect argument for getting vaxxed 

31 minutes ago, Rocky said:

I wish you'd at least TRY to make cogent arguments when you (allegedly try to) criticize my comments.

Yup, the 'cancel culture' is 'cancerous'...that's what really ....es me off the most, not whether anyone gets 'the jab' or not. It's the fcuking 'woke mob' that insist you speak what they speak, think what they think and DO what they do....Ask yourself, are you part of the problem ?
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2 hours ago, Rocky said:

Yes, he has a right to his position. But he (as are the rest of us) is also NOT immune from criticism. Others have every right to 1) try to figure out what he's ultimately getting at, and 2) freely question (for clarification) and criticize his posts/comments. 

Ditto

5 minutes ago, Rocky said:

What right do you have to tell other posters what to do? 

That's a pretty hypocritical statement, isn't it ?

10 minutes ago, Bolshevik said:

 

 

Thankyou, you just confirmed the efficacy and simplicity of this article :)

2 minutes ago, Allan said:

I never thought of you as a 'shallow thinker'...perhaps it is true, the covid vax really is for lazy people that prefer to be told what to do :)

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Extract from the article- "

“But if I wait, every day that goes by is another day when lots and lots of people get very sick, go to ICU, many of them die and that could theoretically even be preventable and that’s why I thought it was so critically important to get this information out there,” Dr. Rajter said. 

He credits his wife, Dr. Juliana Cepelowicz-Rajter, with the idea of using Ivermectin for this purpose. She came across Australian research which showed Ivermectin destroys the virus in the lab, in vitro, but it has not been studied for this purpose in people.

“More studies need to be conducted,” Dr. Cepelowicz-Rajter said. “We haven’t had any ill effects from it and it’s readily available, we have some patients who are pretty advanced, not yet intubated, and even those, in 12 hours, they showed a significant improvement.”

John Reed is one of those patients. He’s recovering at Broward Health Medical Center after being treated with the cocktail including Ivermectin. 

“I’m blessed with God, I’m blessed surely with my doctor, I’m definitely blessed with my nurses because they are wonderful staff and I’m blessed with that medicine because I didn’t know it was gonna happen,” Reed said via FaceTime from his hospital bed.

“It saved my life, trust me it saved my life.”

Dr. Rajter said Reed fit the criteria he set for trying the new regimen. Reed was in bad shape, rapidly going downhill, but not yet ready to intubate. As Rajter explains it, once they’re intubated, the medication does not have as much impact.

I never thought of you as a 'shallow thinker'...perhaps it is true, the covid vax really is for lazy people that prefer to be told what to do :)

Local Doctor Tries New Coronavirus Drug Treatment – NBC 6 South Florida (nbcmiami.com)

Judge Orders Hospital to Give COVID Patient Ivermectin | MedPage Today

Woman says controversial COVID-19 treatment Ivermectin saved her life – FOX13 News Memphis (fox13memphis.com)

3 minutes ago, Bolshevik said:

Let's not horse around.  The vaccine Neigh-sayers will do anything to worm their way of this one.

nice 'deflection' :)

How about actually reading past the headlines Bolshe, that's the way to get a better informed opinion :)

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1 hour ago, Rocky said:

Again, since your bottom line is that you refuse to get vaxxed, why do you need to justify that position to anyone other than yourself?

 

Um, perhaps because this is a forum and after Oldiesman contributed the first post, people started jumping in with their 'justification' as to WHY THEY got vaxxed and why everyone else should as well...if we all kept our 'opinions' to ourselves, well, it wouldn't be much of a forum...would it ? The door of public discourse swings both ways dude.

12 minutes ago, waysider said:

Being vaccinated makes you less likely to become infected in the first place. If you're not infected, you're not contagious. That seems like it should be an easy enough concept to grasp.

ummmm....you better check if the vaccination makes one immune from catching covid ?? Peer reviwed papers would suggest not... you're running round in circles here...

1 minute ago, Rocky said:

Are you sure it wasn't analysis?

no, simply an opinion

So we're all good to get into 'politics' side of it then ?

2 hours ago, Rocky said:

Really? Somebody has been trying to coerce you into becoming Dr Frankenstein's lab subject?

That's just silly.

IF your bottom line is that you don't want the vax, then just say so. You don't have to confabulate ridiculous arguments if that's all you want to accomplish.

Um, er, well done Sherlock lol

3 hours ago, Bolshevik said:

Well you just used religious jargon as a shield. 

 

your opinion

17 minutes ago, Bolshevik said:

I don't think the self driving ignores the human need for control - it highlights it.  Whatever lifetime it does happen in- that generation will have that discussion and eventually people won't think about it.  I was postulating fear and resistance to change.

An entity might be felt . . . Hence the "God-given" phrase two posters have brought up.  Perhaps they feel controlled by the social shaming.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel (Grace admin is our 'gospel' today)...so.no. I'm not feeling controlled by anything :)

48 minutes ago, Bolshevik said:

Allan's position remains unclear to me.

Waysider "

Thanks Allan......for stating your position.

THiS is what a *discussion forum* is all about.  Something that twi NEVER allowed. "

Perhaps ask Waysider if yourself and Rocky are still struggling to grasp a fairly simple concept.

48 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Science is ALL about figuring things out. Science and scientific discovery is not static. When new information is discovered, the best guidance changes. That's basic.

"Science is the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence."

That's exactly the opposite of "making it up as they damn well go along." And as far as your arguments on covid19 and vaccination goes, your use of that expression completely undermines EVERY bit of what you have claimed to be true.

well, they can figure it out on your body, not mine, comprende ?

3 hours ago, Raf said:

Of all the...

You know what's dangerously close to cultism? Denying what the experts in a given field say because you read an old piece of literature that convinces you that you know better.

Contrarianism, the belief that an iconoclastic view must be the correct view. THAT'S cultism. 

The rejection of expertise in favor of "special knowledge." 

That's cultism.

Wierwille, Martindale, Fort were your experts in a given field at one time yeah ? Most people don't realise they're in a cult whilst they're still swallowing the blue pills :)

2 hours ago, Bolshevik said:

Can we be more specific?

 

This guy is celebrated all over social media for contrarianism.  At the center of that was a malignant narcissist/borderline.

 

Hey, that's my Grandad !! Must get my genes from him lol

3 hours ago, Bolshevik said:

 

I would agree a time a fear is a great opportunity for implementing social controls. 

 

Here's a video.

 

There you go , Twinky and Rocky simmered things down a bit, now Bolshes got me all fired up again....bastido !! lol