Allan

3 hours ago, Raf said:

Thank you, Waysider, for correcting the misinformation that gets spread in the name of open-mindedness.

You know, just because people are feeding on bad Intel doesn't mean "the jury is out."

Spreading that LIE endangers lives.

 

 

 

Define 'bad intel' ? Could the Government, big Pharma. medical bodies like CDC and NIH and the media possibly put out 'bad intel'...or are they trustworthy in your opinion lol 

4 hours ago, waysider said:

Two points to unwrap here.

First: The jury is not out. Kids don't live in a bubble. Whatever they do, wherever they go affects everyone they encounter. That means they are vectors for infection and petri dishes for virus mutation. I have personal experience with large groups of kids. It's not been all peaches and cream. That's all I'll say about that.

Second: It's not all about whether they live or die. Some will develop MIS-C, some will suffer organ damage, some will suffer from reduced mental capacity, some will develop Long-Covid. We just don't know what the future holds for kids who get it and don't die. Did you know Polio is largely asymptomatic? Yes, Polio. That disease that can horribly cripple and disfigure those unfortunate enough to catch it.  It's somewhere around 90-95% asymptomatic, though kids are prone to be more likely to exhibit symptoms. We would consider it unconscionable to take a chance on not vaccinating our kids against such a horrible disease. 

 

Myocarditis has become the new boogieman. We never seem to hear the baseline figure for it. There are many other causes that are much more likely to cause it than the vaccine. In fact, your child is 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis from Covid than from the vaccine. That's a risk/benefit decision that should be a slam dunk.

"Myocarditis has become the 'new Boogey man" - THAT COMMENT is terribly immature, misinformed and downright heartless !!!!!Speaking of myocarditis...that is EXACTLY the reason Germany has STOPPED giving Moderna to under 30 year olds...but that is o.k. isn't it because we're still discovering mid to long term effects...aren't we?...what was it you said ? "the vaccines have been put under rigorous testing and have been proven safe ? Tell that to the kids who now have myocarditis and pericarditis that would have grown up otherwise healthy IF they had not had the covid jab !
OMG, hope Rockys grandkids that he gleefully congratulated didn't get the Moderna !!


Germany recommends only Biontech/Pfizer vaccine for under-30s | Reuters

2 minutes ago, Rocky said:

It doesn't make sense to me that "Allan" lives in Australia and cares so much about what goes on in the US. It's almost as if he's somebody who used to post at GSC under a different fake persona or two or three.

again ,that statement shows your lack of critical thinking lol....I'm VERY interested because if the USA 'sneezes', the Western world 'catches a cold' - excuse the pun  

1 hour ago, T-Bone said:

                 

        

I’m not gonna even bother playing some tit-for-tat game with some pot calling the kettle black – but since you let the Kool-Aid out of the bag with these posts I’ve quoted here – maybe it’s time to address the cult-mentality in the room. 

your post that suggests Dr. Seheult is duplicitous is not just slanderous to him – but is absolutely preposterous and goes against everything he has ever stated or done publicly in written works, online videos, interviews and in the hospitals he serves…interesting you should reference wierwille as the divine seer who sees all and knows all especially when it’s out of his area of expertise (which is just about everything except con games and Drambuie).

So…do you know for a fact that Dr. Seheult would like to publicly dismiss the covid vaccine and/or stated vitamin D as an alternative to the covid vax but won’t for fear of being “struck off the medical register and very likely be charged with an offence” ?
How do you know that? What information has led you to think that?

Your suggestion is absurd and seems desperate. For Dr. Seheult to reject the covid vaccine and/or state that vitamin D is an alternative to the covid vax is the antithesis of everything he is known for publicly – it’s flat out hypocritical. Shame on you for fabricating malicious lies about a well-respected doctor to forward your conspiratorial-political-science-denying-agenda…in case you forgot – I was in the same cult as you…but back then, who knew about the sneaky manipulative tactics of cults? Only nowadays – it seems the manipulative tactics of cults are mainstream in social media and with certain politicians – trying to overwhelm others with misinformation, conspiracy theories and fearmongering to frighten folks to buy into their “knowledge of what’s really going on”. It’s like a weird Terminator movie twist of  Skynet the artificial neural network-based conscious group mind / artificial super-pseudo-intelligence system of wierwille’s Advanced Class legacy has become self-aware and is now playing on broadcast TV. 

…I am so fvcking familiar with cultic-mind-games it’s not even funny – though I have to admit, I laughed out loud when I read your post revealing  Dr. Seheult’s evil plan to subvert the power and authority of the science and medical communities – it’s sheer genius ! Inform others of the benefits of Vitamin D and the effectiveness of vaccines – and then when they least expect it – boom – tell them vaccines don’t really work that good…genius !!!!         I use to fall for bull$hit like that in TWI. 

Once again thanks for letting the Kool-Aid out of the bag.         
 

T-Bone said- "…I am so fvcking familiar with cultic-mind-games it’s not even funny – though I have to admit, I laughed out loud when I read your post revealing  Dr. Seheult’s evil plan to subvert the power and authority of the science and medical communities – i"

Hey, hey, I recognized TWI as a cult whilst you were still licking LCM's jockstrap, so that's a pretty weak argument lol.
You and others have not yet made the 'connection' ...have you ?! What were TWI's three tenets of belief, their driving motive ?? MONEY, POWER, CONTROL = CULT....Big Pharma/Government ? MONEY, POWER, CONTROL...you're IN the covid cult and you do not even realise it !!
Oh, and as for Dr. Seheult....look at the TIMELINE of his videos and what he is saying two years ago compared to things he has changed his stance on (sorry Twinks, you arse umed wrong) ...again.

On 11/10/2021 at 11:07 PM, skyrider said:

‘…..the US government is purchasing one billion dollars worth of the expensive treatment drug molnupiravir — similar to HCQ and Ivermectin but more expensive — from Merck and Co.”

 

……..Anybody know anything about  this???

 

Perhaps because now that the pharma companies lobbied sucessfully to get HCQ and Ivermectin (two very cheap alternatives) pretty much outlawed, they can 'repackage' it and make $quillions 

On 11/10/2021 at 9:00 PM, skyrider said:

The controversy on Covid-19 treatment is intense......on all sides.

Seems to me, we will be discussing this issue for the next decade.

 

 

Oh, I believe as time goes on, the real fallout from these experimental vaccines will manifest....pro-jabbers vs jab hesitant crowd...last man standing 

On 11/10/2021 at 8:37 PM, skyrider said:

Found this 24-minute video on Ivermectin:

• History
• Approval for humans
• Data / Graphs
• Pharmaceutical Ties
• Controversy

Around the 21-minute mark ...... it discusses India's use of Ivermectin.

Disclaimer:  I am not a medical doctor or a research scientist.  

Ivermectin Video

In fact, from the 20 minute mark the guy gives compelling argument AS TO WHY 'alternative' treatments/preventatives are shut down !!

On 11/11/2021 at 4:00 AM, Raf said:

Hey, speaking of the whole country of India, did you see the one where the whole country of India said "hey, stop using Ivermectin to treat COVID: It doesn't work.

The Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) and the National Task Force on Covid-19 have dropped the use of Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) drugs from their revised guidelines for the treatment of the infection.

The decision was taken after experts found that these drugs have little to no effect on Covid-related mortality or clinical recovery of the patient.

Studies also found there was no clarity on mortality benefit, no effect on length of hospital stay and recovery in case of Ivermectin.

Recommending that Ivermectin be dropped from the clinical guidance, experts cited 13 systematic reviews of which “7/13 showed mortality benefit, 4/13 no mortality benefit, 2/13 inconclusive/unclear.”

https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/why-hcq-ivermectin-dropped-india-covid-treatment-protocol-1857306-2021-09-26

https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/2021/09/25/india-de-approves-hydroxycholoquine-and-ivermectin

Of course the medical councils worldwide are not at all influenced by UN, WHO etc...no, not at all 

51 minutes ago, T-Bone said:

 

Thanks for posting that video !

Even though your challenge wasn’t addressed to me, I decided to listen to it anyway because I am familiar with Professor Seheult and his impressive career…the video is very informative…and NOWHERE in the video does he dismiss getting the vaccine and NOWHERE in the video does he suggest or recommend  a vitamin-D regimen as an alternative to getting the vaccine…So after watching it I reread this challenge/post of yours and was really puzzled:

Why did you address your challenge of picking apart the video to "In big pharma we trust" followers ?

Did you watch the video all the way through yourself?

What do you think was the point of his video?

I am curious as to your intention with posting the video – and  -  I’m willing to give you the benefit of a doubt if you could reasonably explain why your summons to pick apart the video is based on anything other than a display of a lack of good listening skills and no logical correlation.

For anyone else who follows  Seheult’s  work there are a couple of other links you might enjoy:
click   here   this is a lengthy podcast but well worth a listen – in an interview Seheult discusses Covid-19, vaccines and various therapies.

and   here  in a July 2021 video Seheult discusses the effectiveness of 4 major vaccines against the Delta variant.

 

This thread reminded me of an encounter at my doc’s office building early this year. Going into the doctor’s office was like entering another world: signs outside saying to wear a mask, if you have any flu-like symptoms to call this number and you will go around to another entrance and it further explains the hi-tech CDC hazmat suit and protocols that are followed, inside there’s a no-contact temp reading station and you get issued a sticker with your temp on it, Plexiglas shields at the receptionist counter, social-distance label markers on the floor, part of an adjacent hallway sectioned off with clear plastic and duct tape, hand-sanitizer stations in the hallways and waiting room.

Another patient and I were the only ones in the spacious waiting area – we were about 15 feet apart sitting perpendicular (me on back row of chairs and him on the right-side row) – both of us wearing masks.  Since I was second to enter the waiting room, I thought I’d make a casual comment about all the new protocols at the office – I just said “wow this sure is different.” (I figured my brief comment might start a friendly conversation…boy, was I wrong). 

The guy gives a big snort of derision and then pulls his mask off and starts talking about all this nonsense is just making some people richer and we’re paying for it and this new administration is just letting them have at it, and blah blah blah politics blah blah blah politics blah blah blah…To say this “conversation” was one-sided is not a figure of speech – I literally did not say one thing the whole time this guy was holding a one-person political rally in the doctor’s waiting room. 

Fortunately for me I’ve already developed heard-immunity to cult-talk – it doesn’t even go through one ear and out the other –  since I listened to crap like that for 12 years in TWI and realized that stuff doesn’t just go through you – it lays eggs and problems develop – cult-mindset – emotional and intellectual baggage…once I got rid of the flotsam and jetsam of heard-stink…which is like group-think…heard-stink is the unpleasant, scandalous, pontificating, conspiratorial sounds of cult-indoctrination that assault the airwaves of those adamantly convinced they are the enlightened ones…yeah there was a time in my life when I followed a cult-leader - so I heard it all and believed it all ... …fyi: heard-immunity is based upon the proper functioning of the complex operations (cognitive skills)  inside the cranial fortress. I’m no social butterfly but I am really put off by people who lack the sensitivity and courtesy …or social barometer – to gauge where I’m at on some issue – especially if we’ve just crossed paths at some neutral territory – the doc’s waiting room was NOT a political rally. 

Since I kept my mask on, he couldn’t see the expression on my face – which by the way, was a scrunched-up mouth as if I had got a taste of some rancid Kool-Aid – my mouth was that way during his entire conspiratorial-political-science-denying-soliloquy. He seemed undeterred by my lack of response – a few times I even looked down and shook my head in disgust.
 

The Doctor is also VERY smart. He knows that IF he came out and dismissed the covid vaccine and/or stated vitamin D as an alternative to the covid vax, he would be struck off the medical register and very likely be charged with an offence, not to mention the leftie media and other nut job covid cultists on him like blowflies on a fresh cow patty. How about it (said in an exxagerated VPW tone LMAO)

5 hours ago, waysider said:

52 year old local contractor, Joe Baloneyface, got vaccinated and, 2 weeks later, was squashed by a steam roller.

Coincidence? I think not. (sarc)

 

And you call this "critical thinking"?

 

You say you've had Covid  twice already. Where is the preventative value of the regimen you've been following?

Well, that seems like a pretty strong argument for vaccinating as many people as possible so we give the virus less opportunities to mutate.

 

Our full understanding of mid to long term consequences of anything will always be somewhat limited. But, ZERO? That's simply not honest.

Yeah, it couldn't possibly be linked to the strict lock-down measures, could it?

in reverse order, no, because lockdowns have been proven statistically to not work, believe me hun, it's the Sunshine (thats why they tried to keep people INDOORS :)
Enjoy getting vaccinated every year then, like the flu shot (that doesn't work because it's always a year behind the latest mutant variety)...enjoy being a human trial rat for every seasonal adjusted jab.
52 year old Joe Baloneyface died from being run over by a steam roller. Had he not been vaccinated he would 'surely' have died FROM (not with) covid lol

6 hours ago, Bolshevik said:

Far more people have been vaccinated than have had Covid.

I can walk down the street and point to houses where Covid killed someone.

I cannot walk down the street and point to houses where the vaccine killed someone.

well, thats a very nonchalant and rather 'cold' statement considering the post !

15 hours ago, Rocky said:

At this point, you obviously KNOW that you've been putting forth arguments (statements of position). Point of fact, you apparently want me to argue your position: 

 

Even though you clearly try to get readers and fellow commenters to believe (gaslighting us) that you're not doing that.

Again, WHY should anyone give you an hour (that they can never get back) of their lives to watch a video you refuse to entice us with any reason (teasers) to do so?  Simple question, yes? 

again, I'll ask, do you believe in man made global warming ? I don't, just as I don't believe in the efficacy of the covid jab !

25 minutes ago, T-Bone said:

 

Thanks for posting that video !

Even though your challenge wasn’t addressed to me, I decided to listen to it anyway because I am familiar with Professor Seheult and his impressive career…the video is very informative…and NOWHERE in the video does he dismiss getting the vaccine and NOWHERE in the video does he suggest or recommend  a vitamin-D regimen as an alternative to getting the vaccine…So after watching it I reread this challenge/post of yours and was really puzzled:

Why did you address your challenge of picking apart the video to "In big pharma we trust" followers ?

Did you watch the video all the way through yourself?

What do you think was the point of his video?

I am curious as to your intention with posting the video – and  -  I’m willing to give you the benefit of a doubt if you could reasonably explain why your summons to pick apart the video is based on anything other than your display of a lack of good listening skills and/or  illogic.

For anyone else who follows  Seheult’s  work there are a couple of other links you might enjoy:
click   here   this is a lengthy podcast but well worth a listen – in an interview Seheult discusses Covid-19, vaccines and various therapies.

and   here  in a July 2021 video Seheult discusses the effectiveness of 4 major vaccines against the Delta variant.

 

This thread reminded me of an encounter at my doc’s office building early this year. Going into the doctor’s office was like entering another world: signs outside saying to wear a mask, if you have any flu-like symptoms to call this number and you will go around to another entrance and it further explains the hi-tech CDC hazmat suit and protocols that are followed, inside there’s a no-contact temp reading station and you get issued a sticker with your temp on it, Plexiglas shields at the receptionist counter, social-distance label markers on the floor, part of an adjacent hallway sectioned off with clear plastic and duct tape, hand-sanitizer stations in the hallways and waiting room.

Another patient and I were the only ones in the spacious waiting area – we were about 15 feet apart sitting perpendicular (me on back row of chairs and him on the right-side row) – both of us wearing masks.  Since I was second to enter the waiting room, I thought I’d make a casual comment about all the new protocols at the office – I just said “wow this sure is different.” (I figured my brief comment might start a friendly conversation…boy, was I wrong). 

The guy gives a big snort of derision and then pulls his mask off and starts talking about all this nonsense is just making some people richer and we’re paying for it and this new administration is just letting them have at it, and blah blah blah politics blah blah blah politics blah blah blah…To say this “conversation” was one-sided is not a figure of speech – I literally did not say one thing the whole time this guy was holding a one-person political rally in the doctor’s waiting room. 

Fortunately for me I’ve already developed heard-immunity to cult-talk – it doesn’t even go through one ear and out the other –  since I listened to crap like that for 12 years in TWI and realized that stuff doesn’t just go through you – it lays eggs and problems develop – cult-mindset – emotional and intellectual baggage…once I got rid of the flotsam and jetsam of heard-stink…which is like group-think…heard-stink is the unpleasant, scandalous, pontificating, conspiratorial sounds of cult-indoctrination… …fyi: heard-immunity is based upon the proper functioning of the complex operations (cognitive skills)  inside the cranial fortress. I’m no social butterfly but I am really put off by people who lack the sensitivity and courtesy …or social barometer – to gauge where I’m at on some issue – especially if we’ve just crossed paths at some neutral territory – the doc’s waiting room was NOT a political rally. 

Since I kept my mask on, he couldn’t see the expression on my face – which by the way, was a scrunched-up mouth as if I had got a taste of some rancid Kool-Aid – my mouth was that way during his entire conspiratorial-political-science-denying-soliloquy. He seemed undeterred by my lack of response – a few times I even looked down and shook my head in disgust.
 

Interesting....Bolshvik, Waysider and yourself seem to have swapped one cult for another !! The cult of covid !! Bolshevik and Waysider both posted "they check the covid cases daily" (swap 'daily' for 'religiously') There seems to be an obsession with it, hence the zealousness to 'get everyone vaccinated' (swap 'vaccinated' for 'signed up')...I'm seriously concerned for you people !! TWI used fear tactics, love bombing, intellectual arguments, bagging and repudiating of alternative groups to present themselves as the only savior for mankind....blind obedience to the 'man of God for our day and time' has been swapped for 'blind obedience to big Pharma and the Government.
I know leaving TWI left a big spiritual vacuum in some of your lives, I'm just very surprised at WHAT you have filled that vacuum with !!!

1 hour ago, Rocky said:

Hey Allan, 

THAT is a great example of a teaser. I am compelled to check it out further.

If you want people to view an hour long video, sell it like skyrider did this. I can guess (haven't looked yet, but I will) what at least one of the alleged life-saving meds in question is.

Here's a shorter one for you then, sent to me by a good American friend...
Facebook

list below certainly makes me in no hurry to go and get vaxxed until detailed, in- depth mid to long term risk analysis is done
 

• 33 year old pro dancer Santo Giuliano suffers heart attack 5 days after vaccine

  32 year old Olympic Tennis player Joachim Gerard collapses during match with heart problems

  19 year old Football player Jalen Leavey dies at campus after the game

  23 year old Baseball player Daniel Brito suffers stroke during game

  19 year old Football player Tirrell Williams dies following on-field collapse

  21 year old Football player Okafor Kelechi dies during training

  29 year old Football player Lee Moses dies during training session

  15 year old Footballer Stephen Sylvester collapsed and dies during conditioning practice

  18 year old Football player Emmanual Antwi dies after collapsing on the field

  13 year old Football player Cajetan Chinoyelum Nsofor dies during practice

  15 year old Soccer player Moira Claire Arney died during practice

  Junior High School Baseball Pitcher Andrew Roseman died suddenly and unexpectedly, no further information given

  17 year old Footballer Nickolas Lawrinas died suddenly and unexpectedly, cause given by media, unclear

  17 year old Footballer Miquel Lugo collapsed and died during practice

  16 year old Football player Devon DuHart mysteriously died in July 2021

  16 year old Footballer Ivan Hicks dies of Cardiovascular Disease during Scrimmage

  19 year old Footballer Joe Bradshaw dies mysteriously off campus, not conclusion of death

  16 year old Football player Drake Geiger collapses and dies during game

  15 year old Football player Joshua Ivory collapses and dies during game

  19 year old Football player Quandarius Wilburn collapses during practice and later dies

  17 year old Football player Dimitri McKee passes out and dies after practice

  28 year old Rugby play Tevita Bryce collapses during game from heart attack

  29 year old Rugby player Dave Hyde collapses and dies after match

  27 year old Baseball player Yusuke Kinodanga collapses and dies during practice

  32 year old Champion Speed Skater Kjeld Nuis suffered Pericarditis after the vaccine

  24 year old Olympic Cyclist Olivia Podmore dies suddenly and mysteriously in her room and during that week another athlete sprinter Cameron Burell also dies mysteriously

  23 year old China Olympics Champion Gilbert Kwemoi collapsed in his home and died on the way to hospital

  37-year-old former French professional footballer Franck Berrier dead

  Germany goalkeeping coach of SV Niederpöring suffers heart attack

  24 years Bordeaux pro Samuel Kalu suffers cardiac arrest

  25 years old Belgian soccer player Jente Van Genechten suffers cardiac arrest

  31 years old Fabrice N'Sakala Besiktas Istanbul collapses on the field

  29 years old Pedro Obiang Italian first division after vaccination has myocarditis

  30 year old Venezuelan National Marathon Champion Alexaida Guedez dead

  29 years old José dos Reis (Luxembourg) collapses on the field and has to be resuscitated

  Germany C-League Dillenburg a player from Hirzenhain collapses, the game is canceled

  16 years old Diego Ferchaud from ASPTT Caen suffers a cardiac arrest

  Austria player of ASV Baden collapses on the field and has to be revived

  16-year-old unnamed football player in Bergamo suffers cardiac arrest

  27 years old Belgian amateur soccer player Jens De Smet dead

  13-year-old soccer player from the Janus Nova club collapses on the field with cardiac arrest

  17 year old soccer player Dylan Rich dies of a double heart attack during a game

  Player from Birati Club Münster suffers cardiac arrest

  24 years old Lucas Surek from BFC Chemie Leipzig suffers from myocarditis

  49 years old Ain / France: Frédéric Lartillot succumbs to a heart attack in locker room

  45 years old Andrea Astolfi, sporting director of Calcio Orsago dead with no previous illness

  22 years old Abou Ali collapses with cardiac arrest during a two-tier game in Denmark

  19 years old ice hockey player Sebastiaan Bos dead. Passed away suddenly and unexpectedly

  40 years old A half marathon runner collapsed during the race and died a little later

  Germany Anil Usta from VfB Schwelm breaks on the field with heart problems

  33 years old Dimitri Liénard from FC Strasbourg collapses with heart problems

  37 years old Ex-NFL professional Parys Haralson dies suddenly and unexpectedly

  25 years old Kingsley Coman from FC Bayern Munich, operation on the heart after an arrhythmia

  25 years old Canadian university football player Francis Perron dead shortly after a match

  19 year old FC Nantes soccer player suffers cardiac arrest during training

  Germany volleyball trainer Dirk Splisteser from SG Traktor Divitz collapses dead on the sidelines

  Austria, 64 years old former goalkeeper Ernst Scherr dead suddenly and unexpectedly

  Germany, 42 years old Alexander Siegfried dead suddenly and unexpectedly

  A 17-year-old athlete from Colverde collapses while training with cardiac arrest

  France, 49 years oldSC Massay player dead of heart attack during the game

  Mexico, Caddy Alberto Olguin collapses on the golf course after a heart attack

  29 years old Shrewsbury striker Ryan Bowman treated with defibrillator during play with extreme heart problems

  Italy, 18 year old soccer player suddenly faints on the field

  France, 40 years old A Saint-James player suffers a heart attack after warming up

  Italy, 59 years old long-distance runner from Biella dies of heart failure during a race

  Germany, Women's League match, a player collapses shortly before the end without any opposing influence

  25 years German goalkeeper Lukas Bommer dies suddenly and unexpectedly

  Mexico, 16 years old student Hector Manuel Mendoza dies of a heart attack while training

  Brazil, 18 years old pro footballer Fellipe de Jesus Moreira has double heart attack and is fighting for his life

  Italy, 27 years old cycling champion Gianni Moscon has to undergo an operation because of severe cardiac arrhythmias

  Augsburg referee of a Kreisliga Augsburg game in Emersacker collapses with heart problems

  English lineswoman Helen Byrne, heart problems has to be carried off the pitch at world cup

  Germany Game abandoned due to cardiac arrest of the referee in a game of Lauber SV

  Italy, 20 years old young rider suffers a heart attack

  17-year-old soccer player of the JSG High Hagen has revived during game

  53-year-old football coach Antonello Campus dead16 years old collapses while playing soccer and dies a little later

  Germany Team leader Dietmar Gladow suffers a fatal heart attack before the game

  USA a high school football player collapsed during practice and died in the hospital

  Germany player collapsed during the A 2 regional league game suffered cardiac arrest

  Germany 15 years old goalkeeper Bruno Stein dead

  Italy, 53 years old AH footballer suffers a heart attack while training

  USA, 14-year-old soccer player Ava Azzopardi collapsed on pitch, is fighting for her life in an artificial coma

  France, 54 years old AH player Christophe Ramassamy died of a heart attack during a match

  France, 41 years old soccer player collapsed on the field and died due to cardiac arrest

  Austria, 26 years old Raphael Dwamena collapsed with severe heart problems

  Germany, Hertha BSC co-trainer Selim Levent dies suddenly and unexpectedly

  USA, 12 year old Jayson Kidd collapsed during basketball practice and later died

  Spain, 33-year-old striker Kun Agüero had to be replaced in a game due to heart problems

  USA 21 year old Senior student athlete John Stokes suffers with Myocarditis

  22 year old Cyclist Greg Luyssen forced to end his career after vaccine due to heart problems

   

6 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Aren't YOU the one who expressed concern over people believing what they read without applying critical analysis, or something similar?

Yes, you MAY be wrong (and almost certainly you ARE). For the last year, public health officials have been making COGENT arguments for the need for high rates of vaccinations to eradicate and end the virus. Herd immunity. Again, they've made sound, rational arguments that make sense... unlike the claim you made in the quote above.

And that's a great example of why you should be unbiased in your reading and critical in your thinking! Medical experts have already stated on more than one occasion that the virus cannot be eradicated. Like the flu, it will keep mutating and become seasonal....oh, yeah, you like accompanying articles to read yeah ?

The coronavirus is here to stay — here’s what that means (nature.com)

1 hour ago, waysider said:

Vitamin D is not a "preventative". It does not prevent you from becoming infected with the SARS-2 virus. This is  a misconception. If you do become infected, however,  it may help your immune system fight off serious disease. Data shows that inadequate levels of Vitamin D may lead to a more severe outcome when the body is subjected to viral infection. The vaccine, on the other hand, is a "preventive". It teaches your immune system how to recognize the virus and avoid becoming infected in the first place. In instances where it is not completely successful, it can minimize the effects of an infection. Vitamin D is important for good health but should not be thought of as an alternative to the vaccine.

Well , perhaps because I live in Australias Gold Coast and am nearly always out surfing, the suns vitamin D enabled me to shake off covid twice ?! Perhaps also, this is why Australia has such a low mortality rate ?! Perhaps, I will continue with vitamin D intake, zinc supplements and be prepared to take Ivermectin should I get hit a third time ?! Although now there is a red pill available...yipee !! But no, because there is ZERO understanding of mid to long term consequences of the covid jab, I will not be rolling my sleeve up anytime soon :)

BTW, you said "The vaccine, on the other hand, is a "preventive". It teaches your immune system how to recognize the virus and avoid becoming infected in the first place."

-Firstly, it is a very poor inhibitor of helping avoid one catching covid altogether
-Secondly, IF it does indeed do that, why are you and others REALLY concerned that EVERYONE get's the shot ?
I may be wrong but I get the impression its because people who get the vax want others to get it to avoid the feeling of being isolated in their apprehension of what may happen further down the track..now, if I am wrong, do you have one good reason why you wont feel 'safe' until EVERYONE has been innoculated ? 

5 hours ago, Rocky said:

How is that apparently rhetorical question at all related either to the comment to which you replied or the discussion topic of this thread?  

Because it shows you have a penchant for following whatever supposed 'scientists, medical experts, meteorologists big pharma, media and governments'  say without critically thinking about what you've just swallowed lol

19 minutes ago, Rocky said:

How is that apparently rhetorical question at all related either to the comment to which you replied or the discussion topic of this thread?  

simple question, yes or no ?)

19 minutes ago, Rocky said:

As if you have earned the right for anyone to believe your specious arguments (statements of position)?

Not hardly. You haven't effectively sold your idea. Again, HOW and WHY does that hour long video make a case that anyone hasn't already heard? We have already acknowledged the value of Vitamin D. 

Make your argument (cogently state your position such that anyone would want to buy it).

And if you're inclined to try to tell us you're not making any argument... your response to my question was evidence that your intent IS to make an argument.   

My intention is NOT for anyone to 'buy the argument' because it's simply my opinion and decision based on medical opinion (that is NOT influenced by big pharma or government) you'd do better to 'argue with yourself', you might get the outcome you desire :)

2 hours ago, Raf said:

I would take crap that doesn't work over science that does any day of the week, and if you don't agree with me you're in a cult!

 

Honestly.

 

 

So you're a believer in man-made global warming yeah ? The scientists say it is so .....so I guess it's true, yeah ?

54 minutes ago, Rocky said:

The video is more than an hour long. The guy advocates Vitamin D supplements. I take Vitamin D and have for years. How does this video relate to the covid vax? IOW, why would I want to spend an hour of my life to view the video, let alone "pick it apart?" 

Um, so you can be better informed  ...it's a preventative along with other VITAL MINERALS (vitamins)

1 minute ago, Allan said:

Im not a doctor either...THIS guy is.

 

Please, all you "In big pharma we trust" followers, please, pick this apart and show me where this guy is wrong AND I will go get my jab tomorrow !!!!!

8 hours ago, skyrider said:

Found this 24-minute video on Ivermectin:

• History
• Approval for humans
• Data / Graphs
• Pharmaceutical Ties
• Controversy

Around the 21-minute mark ...... it discusses India's use of Ivermectin.

Disclaimer:  I am not a medical doctor or a research scientist.  

Ivermectin Video

Im not a doctor either...THIS guy is.

I seem to recall somewhere that someone found almost by accident that some mould on a bit of cheese in their lab cured certain diseases...oh wait a doggone second...wasn't it Louis Pasteur and the mould turned out to be PENNICILIN !! Didn't the bark off a willow tree produce....ASPIRIN !! Natural based solutions, ah yes....God given solutions, beautiful....
Enter big Pharma..."golly gee, we can make a ton out of this...ah yes....(oh and of course the human population is still our first and main priority)...yeah right
List of largest pharmaceutical settlements - Wikipedia


No, the 'long term effects' of the covid vax have not been studied, how could they ? They haven't been around 'long enough'...but you people put your full trust in them, hope it works out...this forum came about because good people put their full trust in a religious organization thinking it was the 'bees knees' and totally had their best interests at heart. Well, fool me once...you know the rest. 
How quickly you put your trust and hope in a drug company and an administration of government they are in bed with.
Yes, I would take Ivermectin, hydroxochloroquine, zinc over the jab any day of the week

34 minutes ago, HAPe4me said:

Allan, I am unclear as to your position regarding Ivermectin. You shared several links to stories about it. Do you suggest ivermectin should be used in the pandemic battle rather than vaccines?

Why? 

I would use Ivermectin if I had to along with hydroxochloride and zinc (as plenty of others have done) including nearly the whole country of India). Studies and data has shown it works and has done for the last 50  years. No, if people are happy getting the covid jab, I'm happy for them. Yhe NIH and CDC banning these inexpensive drugs is just another wtf ? as far as I'm concerned...along with 50 other reasons that do not add up like offering covid jabs to 5 year olds.