Larry N Moore

He might have to get permission first. Well, the only "tomatoes" I have in my possession is confusion. Your attitude seems to be changing a bit from when you first arrived here. Is that a good thing? What do I know. :blink:

Now then, I see that you would prefer NOT to address my syllogism. Fine. It stands un-refuted.

If it's all the same to you I would prefer that you address my last post. Can you show me how my syllogism is in error?

I've had a temporary change of heart (no I haven't change my pov on the subject) to take another crack at this subject. Here is a question derived from the following doctrine: If no one "is willing or able to come to or follow God without God "first regenerating" that "person's heart to give them the ability to love him." why would God not simply regenerate everyone's heart to love Him? Either God is not all-powerful -- which the doctrine implies Or God is not all loving -- which the doctrine also implies Or the doctrine is false. Perhaps a syllogism would help. It takes God's power to regenerate a person's heart to come to Him. If you have come to God it is because God has regenerated your heart. If you have not come to God it is because God has not regenerated your heart. Therefore it is God who determines who comes to Him and who doesn't.

Interesting topic Dan! Wasn't there also an "Agreement" clause on the "Green Card". Meaning the purpose why you (the person signing up for the class) were taking it?

I appreciate the links Cynic. I have but two comments and one question to ask (and then I'll be finished here). With the exception of Geer I cannot deny that John Lynn promotes the claim that God lacks foreknowledge. I've seen Lynn's work on this. Geer's I have not. But be that as it may they are not the only ones capable of researching the subject. Your links are not news to me. Now my question. If I've been foreordained -- elected to receive salvation -- would God also foreordain that I would become an atheist? My second comment. If I have no choice -- meaning that God had determine afore time what my choice would be then I cannot worship such a God. And even that would be foreordained of God. You can't have it one way and not the other. Enjoy!

I'm sorry another spot. :( Forgive me.

Yep. You're right. Now that you mention it I remember that one.

Hey Dot! The thought just occurred to me that you learned your lessons well from TWI. Did you help formulate the mindset of "mark and avoid"? :)

You're a riot!

Yeah, Shellon -- it is sorta like an encyclopedia. It's an open source site where anyone can contribute -- I think you have to be a member though. Any edits are first reviewed by a staff. I think the "discussion" tab shows where there are disagreements over what's contained in the main section. Pretty interesting stuff -- but like with any open source of this sort -- you have to take it with a grain of salt.

I love it!

Now this I find interesting. I never sat through the new and improved version of PFAL so help me out here. When LCM was covering this section how did he account for this verse? Genesis 3:6 ". . . she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. I mean -- if Eve's sin was having sex with the Devil disguised as a woman did Adam partake of that fruit by having a threesome or did the Devil change into a man?

Chas with 2,881 posts to your account dating back to 2002 I can't believe you'd let a little thing like this chase you away. Have you considered using the blocking feature of the PM system? I'm actually glad I peeked into this topic and found the Wiki link. Some interesting stuff there. Or did you just mean you were done with this thread? :blink:

Gee Abi, I thought you read everything I posted. Just kidding. :) I already mentioned to sky about the parable of the Good Samaritan -- if that is what you were thinking of.

:) Did ya know that that's a myth? People can quite easily extradite themselves from quicksand. But it's nice to know someone thinks I need to be rescued. Help me!!!!!! I've fallen and I can't get up!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

Aw shucks Groucho. I'm touched that you consider me part of the family. Would I be one of the "black sheep" in the family? ;)

I suppose you'd have a valid point if the buddy happened to be the reason why the war was won. It's a little difficult for me to grasp your analogy. I mean I can't imagine a person thinking to himself: Oh boy! If I fall on that grenade and save my buddy I'll also be helping my country win the war. That presumes that the man himself would not be able to help his country win the war by staying alive. And also doesn't allow for the possibility that the man saved might be a coward and actually helps his country lose the war. Anyways, in regards to the portion of your (previous) post that I didn't respond to. I've decided that subject is best saved for another thread and perhaps another time for me personally. I think I've monopolized this thread enuf. I hope you'll continue to post here at GS even if someone should decide to make fun of you. But if you decide not to -- well -- go in peace.

:) Couldn't get enuf of it, could ya?

ROTFLMAO!!!!! Funny stuff waw. On a more serious note: At what point (or according to what criteria) do you think a member of GS ceases being a "guest"?

I think some of "these people" still love the Lord. Whether you're referring to those still associated with TWI or those that are members of GS I cannot tell but, I believe it's just as true either way. Ok. That's reasonable. You'll get that just about anywhere you go. You can always choose to ignore such a person and that way won't cut yourself off from the fellowship you do enjoy with others. The "truth" is different to different people. But whatever your "truth" is and it works for you then hold on to it. It really doesn't matter if your "truth" is accepted by anyone else. Here's a question for you (mind ya I'm still thinking about the rest of your post). If YOU were the only one to ever believe God raised Jesus from the dead and confessed him as Lord of life (that's an interesting phrase to think about in itself) would God still have sent him and would Jesus still have sacrificed himself for you?

:) My dear, why not merge the two together? That way those of us that like to throw our food at each other can have our way and those who like to eat food can pick up the scraps and gorge themselves. ;)

Well, if all you have in your garden are tomatoes then I guess your garden doesn't have much variety to it.

I'm afraid of the dark. ;)

Not all evolutionists also happen to be atheists. I'll try. With God -- all things are possible. Lot's of questions there. You bring up the "just" and the "unjust". Have you not read the parable of the good Samaritan? Who was the good Samaritan -- the ones who walked past the man in need or the one who stopped and helped him out? Consider that parable and then apply it to atheists. I've met many an atheists who would go out of their way to help a stranger. Does that not make them "just"? On the other hand -- I've met many a Christian who couldn't be bothered helping out a stranger. Does that make them "unjust"? I guess I've just taken the position of letting God be God -- the judge of men's hearts. I don't know how to be a fair judge consistently. Sometimes I am -- sometimes I'm not. Hope that helps. :)