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On 12/31/2023 at 11:09 PM, Ham said:

Yes it does, doesn't it.

 

very much different.  and far more accountable..

the Trips are getting harder.. not that I am complaining.

emothional intelligence.. maybe there is such a thing.. if you have found this.. god bless you.

 

pretty much thought.. wisdom brings pain.. or is it the other way around.. maybe both are the same.

 

Emotional intelligence seems to me like a healthy balance.  I usually find this balance while swinging by it on a Tarzan rope 

3 minutes ago, oldiesman said:

I could be wrong but I've got the impression that first comes the personal judgment, then Jesus sends you to purgatory to pay for the venial sins.    One of the first questions or doubts I had about it was:   when Jesus sends you to purgatory for a time, how the hell can the saints pray you out of Jesus's personal sentence for you?   LOL.   That was when someone told me about the magic of the "community of saints".   I'm still batting this around in my head.

Thx for the correction on the RC doctrine.  I certainly have a less detailed understanding of that than you do.  I’ve discussed some of teachings with relatives.

Isnt there coherence between this and the process for sainthood?  Those candidates bypass Purgatory and go directly to heaven?

Do all other denominations subscribe to the either direct resurrection of souls to be with God or the soul sleep doctrine that the Way has?

On 2/12/2024 at 1:31 PM, WordWolf said:

Often, I would say.

However, since Oldiesman posts here, and he's currently a Roman Catholic, and this is not an RCC survivor's messageboard, there's no compelling reason to take shots at his denomination.  Let's consider posting with a little kindness, instead. 

(I'm not in complete accord with the RCC myself, but I don't have to just load the old shotgun whenever they're mentioned.  Even if I am EX-RCC.)

Dude I was expanding upon a question of how the RC church came up with purgatory, not taking shots at someone who may have a profile on this sites denomination.  What I said was pretty much the RC MO in that period of time and their own disclose this also.  No RC I know including extended family gets highly offended over the RC history through the ages.

Let’s consider the thinness of the skin when we are bringing up kindness.  When you get paranoid and attack that is not kindness.

Accept accommodate integrate.  Oooooooo it’s so offensive.  Christmas?  Easter?  10000 other pagan customs assimilated?  What active RC is highly offended over those 3 words?  I doubt the pope himself would be offended at that description.

I guess the question goes to why are you so offended then?

On 2/8/2024 at 7:26 PM, Mark Sanguinetti said:

The word "fire" from the New Testament was translated from the Greek word beginning with "pur" and "puros" as a part of speech. The first part of the definition of this Greek word from VINE'S EXPOSITORY DICTIONARY is the following:  

(a) of the holiness of God, which consumes all that is inconsistent therewith, Hebrews 10:27; 12:29; cf. Revelation 1:14; 2:18; 10:1; 15:2; 19:12; similarly of the holy angels as His ministers Hebrews 1:7 in Revelation 3:18 it is symbolic of that which tries the faith of saints, producing what will glorify the Lord:

(b) of the divine judgment, testing the deeds of believers, at the judgment seat of Christ 1 Corinthians 3:13 and 15:
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

Since "pur" begins with the same letters as "purgatory". This could be why the Roman Catholic Church came up with the word "purgatory".
 

So with RC history the pattern seems to be accept, accommodate, and integrate.  An intermediate state between death and judgement keeps the followers in dynamic tension allowing for a greater level of control.  Do good?  Pay your toll?  You advance.  Don’t pay your toll?  Everlasting hellfire buddy!

On 2/6/2024 at 6:06 AM, frank123lol said:

Book of Acts, all ages nuff said

Yeah because Fundamentalists always need a scriptural analogy, queue up the Moses and the “promised land” analogies where there is a spiritual reason to exclude boomers.

The Jr Rock - The Babysitting Event of the Year.

Mom, Dad, now’s your chance.  You could pack up a tent and slip away to a free campground somewhere for vacation.  Maybe they won’t notice you gone and ease up on the “let’s get a Plaffy class together” witnessing outings.  Hey at least it’s better than an annual forced family vacation filled with every member working 80 hours.  And you can’t save for both - Way events, tithing, and a self care vacation.

On 2/1/2024 at 7:19 PM, Twinky said:

Charity,  whatever that is can't be opened. 

It’s this link.  Hope that’s better.

On 2/1/2024 at 9:48 PM, WordWolf said:

 

vpw did indeed play a historically significant part in the Jesus Revolution.

By being the person who single-handedly ended the House of Acts, he ended the emerging movement of genuine Christianity and guidance of the Holy Spirit among the young of California, who already were making national headlines.   As such, vpw did more to impede the movement of God's Word and replace it with calcifying religion than anyone else that decade.  I'm sure the devil was VERY impressed with him.

I would agree.  Simultaneously he poured water on the fire of the “Groovy Christians of Rye NY” and in both cases placed his goon Way Corps grads leading both West and East Coast arms of the movement - Moynihan was one of them.

The only survival of the Jesus movement persisted in the influence of Calvary Chapel which produced a new denomination of Christianity and various other Christian movement changes.

The Jesus movement, which was originally one that originated from the fire in the hearts of the masses, was overrun by the weeds of human greed and corporate institutions.

“The Way” or “The So-Called Way” or “The Way International” produced a rock star existence for VP and a subservient existence for the lay follower.  A stagnant pool of lust for power and bondage.

On 1/30/2024 at 1:19 AM, Junior Corps Surviver said:

I did a bit of a deep dive into these young people and many of them are the sons and daughters of old Way people. 3rd generation lifers, not new people. Word Wolf makes sense with his comment. I just want a Wow Burger.  

The pickles were bomb.  And that huge monstrosity of a chicken fryer.  Delicious fried chicken.  

12 hours ago, Twinky said:

Of course!  Why not?  Everything else, every other idea, is plagiarised and enhanced with VPW's ego - PFAL; books; the radio show; AoS based on Saturday Night Fever.  The trip to India where he was a keynote speaker. 

So of course he was a vital part of the Jesus Revolution.  At least his ability to hang onto others' coat tails was. /sarc/

Yes as well as the “hook shot revolution” showing Kareem the way.

socks!  We have a sighting 

So funny about the parallel elderly groups.  We do have an R&R splinter group going on - I do think it must stand for Rest Home and Rehab 

my take is the brain trust probably all saw the matinee show for The Jesus Revolution and had an epiphany.

But the people would rather see the Jesus Revolution than PLAF-T

Why?  Because Christianity is for the masses not the brasses.  And Jesus in peoples hearts is better than a fat lie about “The Teacher” chewed up in 4 different cow stomachs and regurgitated for the world once more.

Peace.

So this year the JW Governing Body has made the policy change for all its cult followers that they no longer have to report up through the organization the number of “pioneering hours” they spend per week.  They just check a box instead.  This is causing some internal challenges.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/s/DdBwS5j1Ps

I wonder if The Way International has modified any of their volunteer witnessing policies over the years.

When I was a leader in TWI they had policies for every single leader position in the organization.  The instructions to every single leader included “Carry out the heart of the Board of Directors to all members on the field”.  This was called the “Rise and Expansion” policies and was part of the “Way tree” structure throughout our country.  It included that every local group would “strive to run a class” according to calendar goals.  So to fulfill this, leaders designed similar outreach tactics to the JWs with door to door, public stands and planning and recording outreach activities conversations and results.

When I look back on this now it is all control and zero Bible at the basis of this.

Jesus Christ when he returns is not going to ask everyone at the bema how diligently they “carried out the heart of the BOD to the members on the field”.  No the BOD will get their very own dunce cap dedicated to those who promoted their own interests in the name of Jesus Christ.  

Christianity is not a hierarchy of power like you see in the world with organizations.  It is a grassroots movement at the individual not the organization level.

And nobody anywhere cares one iota about what the “heart” of a group of controlling dolts on a small farm in Ohio is.
 

On 1/23/2024 at 6:45 AM, Mike said:

In the past few weeks I have listened carefully to LCM's 5 most recent teachings, all on Joseph of Egypt.

Part 1 is here: https://archive.org/details/harvest-pt-8-the-remnant-of-joseph-254-12-23-23

This and the next 4 installments are the hottest Bible I've heard in many years. 

Many gaps in my knowledge were filled in; many old questions answered. 

Ok I tried once again to listen to the incredible forehead.

I got as far into the teaching as him going on about God making a way to escape with the temptation and how you should be getting warnings from God ahead of time to avoid the trap.

Then irony closed in.

And I shut him off.

Rev 20:13 the sea gave up the dead that were in it and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them.

These groups of people mentioned probably gave rise to the idea of purgatory - which seems to be a mythical place trapped between heaven and hell.

Who is it really talking about though?  Who are the dead in the sea as opposed to the dead in Hades?  And the dead in Death?  Who are not in the sea or Hades?  Who are they?

Will they have name tags in the 3rd Heaven and Earth of Revelation?  Hey bro I’m a sea dead.  Oh yeah well I went to Hades and back.  Whoa.

On 1/22/2024 at 8:58 AM, Rocky said:

Wow! 

Yes WoW - TM 

On 1/20/2024 at 9:23 AM, Rocky said:

Spiritual warfare? Or economic warfare?

Gotta protect their "intellectual property" don't ya know?

Yes it fits right in with Bible accounts like the twelve meeting the seventy where they said “we own the trademark on everything you’re doing” and called them “swagger jackers”.

On the nostalgia bias front I see that the BODolts have paid money to patent the term “Word Over the World”.  Tm.

Your ABS at work.

Now if they could only patent the term “world peace” then they could collect a lot of money at every Miss America contest.

All u other WOWs are cheap imitators lol.

2023 ex-Mormon Brodie awards.

When your cult is larger they have awards shows for those who speak against it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/s/kzNqQCI93J

Zelph on the shelf has a catchy channel:

9 hours ago, Nathan_Jr said:

Why would a THE man of god need a security detail? Why couldn’t he just beleeeve big enough for his own security? After all, he beleeeved big enough to provide for national security - if it weren’t for his beleeeviing, the Soviets would have attacked the U.S.

Paul Allen was ....ED OFF.  He got in LCM face and told him off and did not give two hoots about his goon Linder displaying his firearm in a holster.

If you are having affairs with peoples wives his own fear and conscience kept him with a personal goon whenever he traveled in public.  I mean how many husbands would justifiably want to beat his @$$?  Or more?

Any story I have would be mostly about mind numbing boredom while providing free security services for a cult that masterfully renamed “security” “bless patrol”.

Every once in a while you would see Jesus on a golf cart.  Or some other large named performing clown.

But mostly mind numbing boredom.  The only redeeming quality was getting to know the other captives.

2 hours ago, Rocky said:

Raf/Modcat said (to chockfull)...

He also said it to you ….

2 hours ago, Rocky said:

FFS... when YOU blame YOUR words/actions on what (anyone other than yourself) someone else says or does or doesn't say or doesn't do... 

 

??

Sorry what does this comment have to do with the post you quoted about LLM ?

16 minutes ago, waysider said:

When you think about it, T.I.P. is a bit like AI. I mean, unless you put  some "yea, verily", and "thus saith the Lord" into the data base to start with, it's not gonna just randomly generate itself.

 

I don't know if that's off topic or just some silly stuff bouncing around in my head.

Yeah the similarities are that LLM is trained on huge amounts of data that could almost simulate human experience.  Then it generates the next most logical thing from that training.

If you think about it the TWI follower listens to very specific ways they run the prayer and TIP in meetings for quite a while watching others do it.  Then they take a class and get “trained” in TIP.  There is a definite case for saying they are also generating a response constructed from previous experiences, and believing because a few phrases are extemporaneously spoken that indicates that it is God giving the words.

We have all seen and experienced some major f ups in meetings when people “get it wrong”.  They are corrected and over time they produce a uniform output.

10 minutes ago, Raf said:

Where did he claim a fact was inaccurate? 

Any fact?

Where did he say there were actual inaccuracies?

I’m not delving through all those responses to find out where the DDR game started.

He basically was stating as fact AI was involved, then indicated that made it unreliable.

I asked for a specific example.  Then the attacks started.

1 hour ago, Nathan_Jr said:

Have some self respect. You are Mr. God.

That’s accuracy and precision as it hasn’t been known since…

Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack?

51 minutes ago, Raf said:

I like to think it's because I chilled the F out, but ok.

Please drop it. This is not off topic, but it's so ancillary to the topic as to be irrelevant. I do not see that he questioned a single fact: Merely raised the possibility, which is a fair thing to do for someone who concedes to having all the facts second or third hand (which, I should add, includes the overwhelming majority of people who have posted on this site.

I see no reason to disbelieve anything in the opening post, nor do I see any reason to disallow the possibility that the AI aggregation (assuming there even WAS one) got a fact wrong. It might have. It might not. Obla Di Obla Dah.

Hmmm.  The topic is “Cult Facts”.  The question is “which cult facts exactly do you claim are inaccurate?”

Sorry seem pretty direct on topic to me.

Raising a question and then starting a game of dance dance revolution refusing to answer a follow up question, however, does seem pretty off topic.