lucyvanpelt

I listen to any music that is good. I will go for anything but Polka, there I draw the line. So who cares if Bob is still in the ministry, that is his decision. He can still out rock most people, and it's positive. I decide for myself what I do, and the days of letting anyone else influence me are OVA! Even you.

How many assumed these songs were written by people in the Way? Or that we had copyright releases. Anyone who was Corps - our theme song was stolen also. .Abide In Me 2.All God's Children 3.At The Foot Of The Cross 4.Because He Lives 5.Broken And Spilled Out 6.Calm Assurance 7.Come, Holy Spirit 8.Created In His Image 9.Dream On 10.Even So, Lord Jesus, Come 11.Feeling At Home In The Presence Of Jesus 12.Fully Alive 13.Gentle Shepherd 14.Get All Excited 15.He Touched Me 16.He's Still The King Of Kings 17.I Am A Promise 18.I Believe In Hill-Mt Calvary 19.I Came To Praise The Lord 20.I Could Never Outlove The Lord 21.I Walked Today Where Jesus Walked 22.I Will Praise Him 23.I Will Serve Thee 24.I'm Something Special 25.I've Been To Calvary 26.I've Just Seen Jesus 27.If It Keeps Getting Better 28.In The Upper Room 29.It Is Finished 30.It Will Be Worth It All 31.It's Beginning To Rain 32.Jesus Is Lord Of All 33.Jesus, I Believe What You Said 34.Jesus, I Heard You Had A Big House 35.Joy Comes In The Morning 36.Learning To Live Like A Child Of The King 37.Let's Just Praise The Lord 38.Lovest Thou Me 39.Man Can't Live By Bread Alone 40.More Of You 41.My Faith Still Holds 42.Next Time We Meet 43.Not By Might, Not By Power 44.Plenty Of Room In The Family 45.Precious Jesus 46.Reaching 47.Redeeming Love 48.Something Beautiful 49.Tell It To Your Children 50.Thanks To Calvary 51.That's What Jesus Means To Me 52.The Church Triumphant 53.The Family Of God 54.The King Is Coming 55.The Longer I Serve Him 56.The Old Rugged Cross Made The Difference 57.The Spirit Of Jesus Is In This Place 58.The World Didn't Give It To Me 59.There's Something About That Name 60.This Could Be The Dawning Of That Day 61.This Is The Day The Lord Hath Made 62.This Is The Time I Must Sing 63.Unshakable Kingdom 64.Upon This Rock 65.Walk On The Water 66.Why Should I Worry Or Fret 67.Worthy The Lamb These were all written by Bill and Gloria Gaither.

This is a very interesting discussion. I must say, I am leaning toward "Oldies" for maturity, longsightedness and common sense. However, the rest of you have valid pespectives and I won't discount that. I left of my own accord the Way in 1988. I was alone, no one influenced me, I just couldn't find any good Biblical reason to stay after I heard what I heard at ROA 87. Didn't understand it all, didn't hear it all, but what I heard stopped me in my tracks and the mosre I thought about it, the more I realized I would be disgracing God if I stayed. That is my opinion, I had no idea about the rest of the story as I have read here. Frankly, I don't believe a lot of it. I have free will so I get to decide what I believe. It's just my opinion. In 2004, I realized that I missed God, I missed the companionship of another believer and set out to find that, BUT only if it fit with The Word, anything else, I wasn't biting. I called John Lynn. We talked for three hours. He's all talk, and mostly about himself and all the horrible things he did. Mainly with my Corps sisters. I was appalled. I respected this guy which is why I went to him for help in my quest. He talked about himself, CES and not once, not once people, did he inquire about me, how I was. I realized what I was searching for this time, was someone with integrity, and no one with integrity talks about people by name to someone else, particularly in a durogitory fashion. So I crossed him off my list and kept looking. CFFS, it's the Way with a different name. Pass. Then I googled Dr. Wierwille to see what would happen and this site popped up. I was horrified and decided I wasn't ready to deal with all this, I was looking for something, clicked on the links, and found Cortwright family page, I started clicking away, all the while knowing God was at work within me, and found the man that became my teacher. I always felt like I needed a remedial teacher. And he fit the bill. No nonsense, no religion, and backed everything up with God's Word never asked me to believe it, never coersed me, never forced, never made me feel bad or stupid, he just taught, I just listened and I decided for myself. Frankly some of what he teaches is diametrically opposed to what I learned in PFAL. It was work I had to study, it took time, but as God opened the eyes of my understanding, which is the only way anyone ever understands God's Word, it started to make sense, it fit with the rest of God's Word. Four years later, I am confident in my workmanship ability, I am confident that I to some degree understand God's heart. And this guy had the nerve to call me names, faithful. A Berean. I was called a lot of things in the Way, but not that. Those were the things I longed for in the ministry, but couldn't pull it off, WHY? Because the Word was not rightly-divided. As that man said in the class, when you don't rightly-divide God's Word you have nothing but error. He was dead right about that. Another thing I want to bring up is the stealing of songs from other people. The brown song book, everybody remember that? Many of those songs were stolen from Bill Gaither, and had they asked he would have gladly shared them, but no.........can't have anyone outside the Way do music...so they stole it. Got caught too. So I hear. Thanks for letting me stick my two cents in. Lucy

NO disrespect to the office of the presidency, I don't think GWB could find his butt with both hands. :unsure: I don't know for sure, but there are signs that are clear in God's Word and one of them is someone gets raised from the dead after suffering a mortal head wound, the false prophet does the "raising" solidifies both their positions in the world.

God is ONLY bound to His Word. God is no respector of persons. God speaks things happen, let there be...... All men are liars, the love of money is the root of all evil, the tongue is an unruly evil. Prophesy is either foretelling or forthtelling, and 90% or so of God's Word is forthtelling. Just some thoughts, i ain't saying yes or no, whistle, whistle, whistle, but I think you have enough info to figure out the answer to the original question. If you'll excuse me, I am going to amble on down the road.....whistle (The Andy Griffith Show tune would go good here)

Just say no and anyone interested: We have been "talking" for a few days. Each taking tentative steps, but it's coming along great. I am really happy about it. I missed him real bad, he's a great guy and was the only believer in the ministry that did not shun me when I got dismissed from the Corps. I bounced back, but it sure wasn't easy. I knew he has been in Atlanta for a few years, but not listed, no email address, no way to get in touch. He said, I knew you left the ministry before you told me. i couldn't stand it, my curiousity got me, I asked. How did you know? If it was anyone else I would have expected to hear the "God told me". But he loves me and I love him and we always have and he said, because i didn't see you around anymore. He missed me. I told him, I didn't think anyone missed me. So, if you want the healing to continue, I have a suggestion. Allow God to work in you. He wants us to get along a lot more than we do. It hurts Him when we fight. So if there is someone you care about, miss or whatever, just ask God to hunt them down, and when you get the chance, be nice, realize that they have feelings too, they have their reasons too, and tap into the love of God like you never have. it gets a little touchy when you get to the Word, stay meek. It's better to be loving than it is to be right, and arguing doesn't make for peace. It's awesome. I am happy to be in touch with my friend again. I don't have to give up what I believe to be a good sister to Bob, and he knows the same thing. BUY HIS ALBUM. Roadman's Hammer get it at CD Baby.com It is a rock and roll hall of fame album. that man is truly free in his heart, he would succeed in a prison camp, he is that free.

Yewww! i am thankful they had their damn clothes on. They acted like it was so natural. I had put all that crap down when i heard the Word and to see it in the Corps Chalet just flipped me out. I knew as I sat there if I had said one word, I would have been called religious. I jsut wish I could remember who was in that room on the couch. I knew two of them. I read an earlier post about VP having a rob on with nothing underneath, I am sorry, but I just woulda busted out laughin. Ever see a pee pee go limp real quick, throw a man in water, or laugh at him. That thing gets sucked up so far in their belly, it may never come out. SO remember that ladies if someone ever tries to seduce you that shouldn't, laugh at them. I am so glad that didn't happen to me. me

Just say no, You are probably right. i have given it some thought, and he might. He already feels betrayed though. There has to be a way to build a bridge from them to us and knock off all this sniping and bickering. It's like I have learned from being married, he feels the way he does about certain things, I feel differently, I love him and care about his feelings more than I do about being right. So we drop the subject. I wouldn't have discussed this here at all had he not been the first Inney I have spoken to since I left in 1988. If he gets upset I am sorry, it is much a teaching tool for all of us, on how to treat each other, no matter what we believe as it is a personal letter to him. i still miss my family. But I would miss God a lot more. There has to be a happy medium somewhere. To all this, maybe this can serve as a start. I just thought of this, he would be very angry, as well he should be, if I had put up his email to me. I just wanted you guys to know I handled this and maybe we could all be a little more loving, they are still family, and no one can override our freewill. Chockfull, Thanks, just tried to be loving, fighting hasn't gotten any of us anywhere, so I thought I would take the high road. me

What do I pay for gas? Too damn much. Right now it's $4.41.9 a gallon. I put in $20 when it gets to the halfway point. I am glad, I work close to home, that helps. But it isn't fun when I I just moved here from GA not long ago and all the day trips we plan are put on hold. That's not fun. When I first started driving at was .34 a gallon. That was 30 years ago. heavy sigh, me

Oh lord no, please not a car, I love cars...........how about a 455 Rocket Lemans, sleek, black, alluring, screaming out at you to hop on in and go for a ride........... 0 to 70 in less that 5 seconds. There's your ride. No please no not a car....anything but that. Could be Osama Bin laden. If it comes out that he recovered from a mortal head wound, believe to be invisible. I got my eye on that sob. me

I never thought about how to tell people goodbye, obviously, as noted in the hurt Bob feels. If I had to concern myself with how people were going to react it would have clouded my thinking. My only concern was my heart, my sanity, and my walk with God. Over time, as noted above, I have had opportunity to speak with those that meant a great deal. I am glad about the Corps site, although it rankles people feathers, they are the people I spent the most time with and to know most of them are doing ok is a blessing. I never stopped loving any of God's people, even the ones that started this whole thing. To be anything else defeats the purpose of taking a stand. It is always right to be loving. I don't have to agree with those that oppose God's Word in any fashion, but I am obligated by The master to love them. What I am trying to figure out is how John the Baptist could say Oh generation of vipers and that be loving. And Jesus in some of the things he said and did. But it had to be loving or he wouldn't have fulfilled the criteria God set before him. That is a ponderable. Because when I call somebody a blankedy blank blank, love isn't what I am thinking. So that's something for God to teach me. And He does. He has never failed me in all these years. He isn't bound to a church, or ministry or anything except His Word and all He wants is my company. I haven't heard back from him yet, I think I got right to the heart of the matter so it's gonna take time. He is just his own man enough to give whta I said a lot of thought. Hope so. me

Well, I prayed about it, and I thought about it and this is what I wrote. Dear Bob, Can I call you Bob or do you prefer Robert, I am so glad you responded with the same honesty, heart and love that I remember you had toward me. That made me happy, and I mean happy like (you have a couple of girls so you will understand what I am about to say) wagging my hands, grinning from ear to ear, jumping around like I gotta pee happy. Although the content was serious and not to negate that, that's how you feel and I appreciate that. I am sorry that you were hurt when people left, I hadn't thought of that. I am really sorry, can you forgive me? This is how I felt about it, I had had a great WOW year 86-87 and come home to the Rock and all anybody could talk about is Chris Geer, what he wrote, what is Craig gonna do and all that bothered me but it was coming at me so fast I needed to digest what was going on. I went back to Clearwater, and in June of 1988 I had to get back to Atlanta, my dad had died about two weeks before my WOW year was over, I swear Bob my WOW sisters had to practically throw me on a bus and tie me down, I was not gonna leave my assignment but Susan got to me, I kept saying my dad will understand, I know he would, she goes, but your mom won't. So I went home for the funeral and my WOW sisters picked me up, my mom put them up in a hotel for the night and we left for the Rock. Well, in June of 1988 my mom needed me so I went home. It was an honor to be with her and with a lot of help from God I got through her dying in my arms. I thought it was appropriate, that's where we first met, when the nurse put me in her arms, so to say goodbye in my arms was poignant to say the least. Well, the fellowship in the area at the time was whacked out and I quit going. It didn't bless me anymore. They weren't teaching the Word, I wasn't learning or growing so why stay. Then I heard about all the hullabaloo going on, John Lynn this, Ralph D**y that, Chris Geer this, Craig has turned this, and I said to myself, why do I wanna watch the ministry that I loved dearly crash and burn, there is no Word of God left, its all confusion, paranoia and ..... What I loved died with Dr. Weirwille. What's left is something I do not know. You say things are great, not perfect, but great, that's wonderful for you, is the Word taught, is it rightly divided, is it fitly spoken? You wrote: As far as how people treat you, think about this: When someone who has worked for a common cause with someone else decides they don't want to do that anymore, it sends a message that says "I no longer think what you believe in is worthy." Then to say "but let's just do everything else we did before" is unrealistic. The trust has been destroyed. Burned bridges are just that. That's why things have to be thought through all the way first. Cause and effect is a fact of life, maybe even a law. Let me see if I understand you, I am assuming the common cause you refer to is The Word of God. The commitment in my heart has never varied, I love God and His Word above anything or anyone else. He and His Word are my priority so if you think I left because I didn't want to do that anymore, that is just not so. Here is why I excused myself from the matter. And trust me, my beloved brother, it almost drove me insane trying to decide what to do, until I went to God's Word to hear His opinion in the matter. Who [is] a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but [is] earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife [is], there [is] confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [and] easy to be in treated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. (Jam 3:13-18 JV) I cannot speak for anyone but me but I loved my time with the Way, I saw nothing untoward from Dr. Weirwille, until I started to study the Scriptures daily to see is those things were so, on some points he was mistaken, but that's on him and he is responsible to God for what he taught, to bash him, condemn him or anything else is silly, could I have done any better at the time, no, and even so I believe he had the love of God in his heart and we all see through a glass darkly. Every conversation I had with him the Word was at the focus, and if I had something I did not understand and for me that was the administrations, church of the bride church of the body and events surrounding the return of Christ I would talk to him about that and he would tell me to keep working on it, and once he said, maybe I need to read it again, you may have a point. I could talk to him, because there was love there and a mutual respect that we were both intelligent God loving Bible believing people and if it is God's Word it will stand, if not, then we change. He said that in the class. We change. Because it isn't a ministry we are loyal to, it's not a board of trustees we admire, it's God. God admonishes us from jump street to not allow anything to get ahead of our fellowship with Him, nothing. No other gods, I am loyal to God and only God and to Him only do I answer for my actions. I have been busy the past fours years, I made God's Word my life, my breath, my heartbeat, I am loyal to Him. I studied out the things I never understood, and when I got to the True Word on those subjects, and let me tell you, God opened the eyes of my understanding so I can know. Now I do. The entire Word of God made sense. All of it, I understand how it all ties together. And if I had to leave the ministry to get to the point where I am a capable honest workman of God's Word, who goes to the Word with no preconceived ideas and allow God to speak, then I would do it again, in a New York minute. Jesus Christ died so I could fellowship with God and I will be damned if I will let anyone make me feel bad about my decisions, because everything I have done since I was called to my calling in November of 1983 is for my fellowship with God so He can work in me to will and to do His Good Pleasure. I am walking the walk God called me to walk, in the manner in called me and I can teach God's Word and really change people if they so desire. It's the Word that does the changing, I just speak it. Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. That's what is important. God's Word. I love you and like I said on myspace I didn't stop praying for you, thinking about you, and trusting God that you and your family are blessed. All I want for you is God's Best. he gave us free will honey, it's our lives to choose, no one elses, and to be angry at me for thinking I left you in the trenches to fight alone, that is just not so. God called me for His Purpose, just like He called you to yours. To be angry and hurt and bitter about our choices isn't loving, now is it? I only want God's best for you, Bob. You were there for me at the lowest point in my walk to date, and your love and support helped me many many times. I cherish that. Can I ask you something? I know you, you had to have a reason and a damn good one to stick around through all the hard times, shall we say? Can you tell me so I can understand? I really want to know. I suppose you know that I am engaged, don't ya? You know when it happened, when I quit telling God what I wanted in a husband and asked Him to help me be the kind of woman a man I wanted would want. I worked on me, and boom that quick. Ain't getting any younger, ya know. I am 48. When you and first met I was 25. I saw the page your brother put up and saw your family. I am so happy for you. You deserve to be happy. Lovingly, At Your Service, J >^..^< Well, that's what I said. I tried to be as gentle as possible, tried real hard to not offend, and let hi know my door is always open. It's the goodness of God that leadeth a man to repentence. It's better to be loving than it is to be right. He loves me, we were dear friends. So maybe God can remind him of that. Lucy

Here comes a cat outta the bag. I was dismissed from the WayCorps in October 1984. 1984 I left manhatten Kansas as it was boring and I wanted to get the hell out of Dodge and move on with my life. I was still in the Way but not in the Corps. I drove cross country from Manhatten to Manville New jersey. I stayed a night in Illinois, and I called HQ and asked if I could crash there, it was fine, I got there, no problem, go on to the Corps chalet, found it in the dark in a car, (that was strange) and took my stuff in and there were three or four people watching tv, it's late at night. And I sit down and they are watching Flesh Gordon. A Porn flick. I went to my room went to sleep got up had breakfast and split. That totally freaked me out. Nobody asked me if it was gonna bother me, ewwww. Acting like it was normal. I never breathed a word to anyone til now. That made me sick I should have walked away then. I had no idea what was coming down the pike a couple of years later. I had no idea. I think God was trying to tell me something, I just could not believe what was going on so He couldn't tell me then. Weird.......

Okay my turn. has everybody had their fun. Some of what you guys said was funny. Let me explain a little first so you understand where I am coming from. One (of the many things that didn't sit right with me in PFAL) had to do with this subject. I finally found someone that would teach me because I still wanted to know God's Word, just not have to go through the rigimaroll to get it. This man had pondered the same thing on one side of the country, and another group on the east coast was doing the same work, here I come a few years after the researching begins and I asked a question, just like the diciples did, when are the signs of your coming? Now, I can go back and document all this from God's Word because as you I have had enough bs crammed down my throat to last me a lifetime. As far as I understand, the anti christ will be a man, he will be set apart from everyone and the sign of his coming is he will be "raised from the dead" after suffering a mortal head wound. The "false prophet" will do this miracle and then they have the world's attention and for the next three and half years he will build power and gather attention and followers, this is the tribulation the big one The Word talks about. It's bad, this man sets up an idol it will ahve some form of life to it, and it will speak. The following approximately seven and a half years we will demand worship and adoration and loyalty and if he does not get it, you get your head chopped off, toward the end of this time is when Christ returns to gather his church, any one that has either looked forward to the first coming of Christ or got born again will be a part of that, we get our rewards, Christ and us comes back to earth and the first of the two battles begins. We fight the anti christ and the false prophet and they are tossed. The devil is chained for one thousand years Then Jesus Christ sets up God's kingdom here on earth, at which time our rewards come into play, lots, land and authority and responsibility is what we inherit. We finish what God started the devil is loosed, the final battle is fought the devil is destroyed, death is destroyed the Resurrection of the Unjust occurrs, then this heaven and earth are destroyed and the third heaven and earth are set into place and what that is going to be like, I am not sure, there isn't much info, maybe God is saving it for a surprise. But none of this mess we have been dealing with since the fall will happen again. Can I get a witness? Like I said, it's all in the Word, this format is not condusive from going to my online Bible to here. But I can give that you and you can check it out, see what you come up with. But that is it in a nutshell. We do not inherit heaven and Israel inherit earth. That is elitist thinking and contrary to God and His Word, he is no respector of persons. and the only condition is were you looking forward to His Sons coming, that's all they had in the Old Testement the promise of the Father. Would God penalize them for being born then? Do any less for them? Doesn't make sense does it? That's why Moses never saw the Promised Land, he caved in when he beat the rock and told them, your right, there is no messiah forget the whole thing. Twice. Why? Because that was their salvation, their righteousness depended on that, it wasn't the law, God knew they couldn't do it, it was the Messiah that put them in the same boat with us today who are born again. Same boat, there is no difference. Bride and the Body is a figure of speech, never intended to be taken literally. It was indicating the intimacy involved. Okay, munch out on that for a while and try to not flick me too much crap about what I believe ok? Love and kisses, Lucy

I got another email from Bob today. He compared me excusing myself from the Way to the betrayal in a marriage. Sez that he stayed, it was rough, Craig is gone, he was a jerk, but once you have worked in a common cause with someone and they leave, the trust is gone. I am going to sit on this for a day or two and allow God to work in me before I respond. Because whatever I say may be important to bringing some unity back in this situation. heart to heartwise. He did invite me to a Way fellowship, I just don't have the heart to tell him that the people that fellowship with the Way won't allow us in their home. I don't know about you guys, but I didn't leave because the party got boring or I had to go to work, I decided on my own free will to not hang around a place that spews biblical platitudes and doesn't live what they believe. I mean what were we doing it for, I want rewards. This isn't a contest or a gang war, I want to get the prize. I am going to go God's way, if nobody follows. In case you haven't noticed, this has turned into a vent. So just take it as that. I think the most loving thing I can do for him right now, is to show him that I am still his sister, I still support him just like I always did and buy a CD. Money talks .... walks, right? I did see a great bumper sticker ( I am trying real hard to not cry here, me and him were close. VP had given me a rose bud from the last time I saw him at Gunnison and at the time it meant a great deal, when he died, I took some petals and sent them to Bob.) we were tight.) the bumper sticker says, I am not in heat Get away from my tail. We shoulda had those around the Way leadership eh? Thanks for letting me talk, Lucy

He ain't that comfortable honey. Like any recording artist, he just wants to make sales. He and I were very close friends way back when, and when he saw me trying to get in touch with him he was really happy, until he learned I excused myself from hanging with TWI. Cold shoulder, terse, vague, not the Bob I knew at all. It broke my heart. And this just happened today, about 10amPDT. The album is great, he said the reason he is doing this album is for outreach. That's a quote kids. :( :( :( :( :(

Speaking of that, did any of you that most of the songs in that paperbag brown Sing Along the Way were written by Bill Gaither. Freaked me out, the man got no credit, so when he found out, I bet there was a threat of a lawsuit like we ain't never heard.....whoooo to be a fly on the wall when Gaither called, hypothetically speaking of course...... It's a penny a letter, as soon as I wrote it here it became copyrighted....Psych! Gotcha didn't I. A joke for the topic..Ok fine, one funny a night. Sure use it, just keep laughing. That's what is important.

if you have their material and have a way to get a hold of them, just ask them. I do it all the time. If not the person, then an agent or a rep will probably ask you what format you will do it, and then ok it, they want publicity, so if you aren't selling it, they don't really care, just ask out of respect. That simple. What a cute baby!!! :)

I can't believe I am going to say this but I actually agree with Excathedra, who cares. And psst....the ****didn't hide a damn thing. How silly. For what it's worth, she had surgery over twenty five years ago on her throat and cannot sing anymore. She owns Royal bakery in Atlanta, and if you aren't in the Way, she will not talk to you. Neither will Bob Stanley, and one ho ha thinks The Word IS over the world so their work is done. That's about as f**ked up that whirling dervish religion I hear tell about. Now, who cares? Are you happy? Are you still trying to get to know God? Are you loving? Then who gives a rip what anyone wlse does. Look out, I am hormonal, and I know how to use it. <_< me

WOW, well bless your hearts. I never heard of such a thing in all my life. I knew it was possible. But what happened to me was I did what I got kicked out for, so it was the right thing to do. And I must say, John Townsend was loving about it. I didn't start to condemn myself until I hit the road. This was October of 1984 and you are the first people I am telling this to. I stayed in a hotel in Illinios the first night. I was heading to Jersey. The second night I stayed at HQ. For some weird reason I was allowed to stay in the Corps Chalet. I did not see Craig or Donna, just people I didn't know in the living room all watching a porno flick. Now, I ain't no prude, but come on, Flesh Gordon, gimmee a break. I didn't know if they were trying to prove how unreligious they were or if they wanted me to join in. I grabbed my stuff and went to sleep and got out of there as quick as I could. In 1987 after hearing all the crap from Corps week and the rumor mill starting up I decided this wasn't where I want to be anymore. It was a hard decision because I had a great time for the most part with people with the ministry. All the trouble stemmed from leadership whose egos got so big they couldn't fit in the big top anymore. I won't allow a leader I do not trust to teach me the alphabet let alone spiritual matters. I am sorry for those of you who got so hassled, so confused, and so thrown into condemnation. That ain't what it was all about. What happened to the love? Lucy

I love cmans post....it's funny. 99% of the people here were in the Way ministry. I would say 100% of them spoke in tongues. Either at the end of the class or someone led them into it. No we don't operate God. But we do operate manifestations by our free will. Our choice. Says so in I Corinthians. Every time we open our mouth to speak we are exercising our free will. We may want to remember that while people may be angry and upset with Dr. Wierwille, if what he taught was God's Word, and some of it has proved out, then we may want to be careful what we are bashing a man or God. Just a thought. Lucy

Hi Ham, I am not doing anything to move God's Word. God is doing it as I am faithful to His Word. For example, witnessing, did any of you hunt down people out on "witnessing excersions"? From jumpstreet I did not like that idea. I didn't gripe or moan or whine, I just did it the way i believe God was leading me. If God came up in a conversation great, if not, I did not push it. God opens the door to a human heart. Just God, when it's right, in His time, if I am there to speak, yippeeee, if not, someone else may. I am going to stick my neck out here.....even if the ministry hadn't of fallen apart, would we be honest enough with God and ourselves to continue to search the scriptures or would have the ministry turned into a denomination anyway due to apathy and thinking PFAL was a beall end all to the scriptures. It was a fair start, let's face 4 crucified still stands. He did get that right. But it needed a lot of work and it is a lifelong endeavor. And none of us will ever know it all anyway, no matter how bad we may want to. Your paragraph that starts...If someone" are you reffering to CES, or CFF? Or bss, ...., or what. I will never be involved with any organized "group" again ever. Too much bs. I am very happy with what I have. I found a real honest to goodness gift ministry and his longsuit is teaching. I know, we didn't really met that many true gift ministries in the WAY, they got a piece of paper and beat every body over the head with it. This man isn't like that. Four years, via emails, phone calls, and listening have changed me. I have grown more under the care of this one man over a thousand miles away from me, than I did the whole time with the Way. 6 years. I still hungered for God after 8 years away from everything and everybody Wayish. I still wanted God. Guess what I did, I googled Dr. Wierwille. Which led me here, which frankly back in 2004 freaked me out to be around any of you, but I did find a link. Michael Cortrights' family page. I clicked and found a map, with oodles and oodles of people. I clicked on a state and went down the rows and this man's name stuck out to me, I never met this man during my time with the ministry. I emailed and he emailed back. Then something bad happened to me (I lived) and he responded with love, maturity and dust yourself off and move on, and I asked him a question. Four years later I am not the same woman I was. I am better. I know how to work the Word. He had the nerve to call me names, A Berean. And faithful. Two words I never would have associated with me. And I got caught doing something naughty. I was ....ed at a friend, I cussed him out, and his friend knew I knew this minister and showed him what I wrote. (think back to what would have happened had it been a Way minister.......got it in your head. here's what happened. He wrote, I has heard something distressing, and I need to ask you if it's true, don't .... me, just tell me. Did you do such and such? Well, That was a crossroads. Was I going to rationalize or just take my lumps like a lady. So I responded with I did it. And you know what happened after that? He taught me God's Word, never brought it up again, and never held it against me. Not to this day. Considering how bad I got yelled at my pat lynn, john lynn, Pat Powell, Mary Powell, and other pompous fools, I was scared to cop to that to him, I was scared he would be like all the other people I trusted to teach me. Praise God, he isn't like that. Again, I am very happy with what I have. Just so you know. He sends out teaching tapes every other week, no charge. Doesn't believe that one should charge for God's Word. He send out a newsletter and you can email anytime with any question and he can help. I have the utmost respect for him. Just send me a message and I will turn you on to him. He's cool. Thanks for listening, I have to go wipe my eyes, that one made me cry...... Lucy

Dot, Maybe it's time for you. You seem to be waivering. I want love, I don't want love, I like to be alone, I miss him. Sounds like me a few years ago. It was partly menopause, don't laugh, that is horrible. and I want to slap the crap out of Eve someday. It is not fun. I had this idea of what love was, what "he' was supposed to be like. all my idea. Farfetched and stupid, but it was my idea. Then, I decided if I wanted the type of man I wanted then I need to be the type of woman that would attract that man. So, I settled into the single life. Three cats, dirty dishes in the sink, bras all over, the bed the way I like. Food I like, tv all to myself, and eventually worked on me. Looked into my heart and saw what was lacking and asked God to teach me, to help me and heal me. And before I knew I happened upon this site in 2006 and checked out "State". He left a message looking for someone I knew. I responded to a two year old message. (didn't know that at the time). We emailed a few times, he asked for my phone number, we talked all the time. We spontaneously said our vows one night. It just slipped out. He came out to meet me. We spent two weeks together and he asked me to marry him. I traveled from Atlanta to Anderson Ca to be with him. Gave up everything to come here. Is he worth it? Not when he steals my sheets, no. Just kidding. I accept him for who is, and he gives me the same courtesty. It's love. I love him more than I love myself. His name is Selah V. He is known in here and loved. He is doing great. I take very good care of him. I was alone for 47 years. Never had a boyfriend. I was too busy having fun. I loved my life as a single woman. But there came a time when it became about more than just me. Only you dear Dot will know that time. In the meantime, don't fret about it, just live babe!! Lucy