shiftthis

It's time for my 30th high school class reunion and I am hunting for some things.

1. Princess Phone

2. At least one pair of men's platform shoes

3. At least one pair of women's platform shoes

4. Plain men's slacks

5. A prom suit/tuxedo, Leisure suit, remember those orange and powder blue ones? I still have my prom gown, so we're good there, it's an UGLY orange foofoo thing.

6. Some Tiger Beat Magazines

7. Clackers, remember those annoying things?

8. My mom still had my posters of Bobby Sherman, David Cassady and Leif Garret.............swoon!

9. I found some bonnie bell lipsmackers, a jar of Noxema, some Sweet Honesty, Agree Shampoo, Gee Your Hair Smells Terrific Shampoo, and some women's personal items.

10. Paper Dolls

I get that some of this stuff would be special to you, collectables even. We'll take good care and return when done.

We've found a ton of 70's music, a ton of pictures, some menu's and a even a doll from the 70's; the one we all wanted named Crissy

Please PM me if you're willing and able to share. The items are needed by June 1 and wouldn't be returned until July 10.

Thank you

o my gosh i remember most of this stuff, how about Brillcream hair grease, a little dab a do you !!!!!! dont forget brownsville stations song smokin in the boys room !!!

And people wonder why we buy our Airplanes from places besides Boeing?

how about that an airplane company named boing-boing-boing wow!!!!

shiftthis,

I'm glad you enjoy fellowshipping with The Way. I left in 2002 when I lived in San Diego. My opinion of the leaders and the ministry is different that yours, yet you say the last 7 years have been blissful in The Way. Those last 2 years were just as bad as the previous 15 for me. Maybe the first couple of years weren't that bad, or I wouldn't have become so brainwashed. I couldn't bear getting up in front of people to tell them how blessed I was to be in The Way for 20 years, so I left just short

What point are you trying to make? Are you trying to talk someone back in to the ministry? I'll rather drink gasoline than go back.

I'm enjoying life without TWI. I like it that way. I'll NEVER go back.

i'm not trying to talk anyone back , furthermore if you have to talk someone into doing something your trying to convince them against their will. my point is the reason i go to fellowship is for the word of GOD that is taught and if thats brainwashing me so be it cause there is nothing greater than knowing what the deal with life is and how to get the most out of it. GODS word is not for everyone and neither is twi. watching the garbage on tv is not for me either. its a great thing to know what the deal is when it comes to things like eternal life, where did we come from,why am i here , what about global warming, i need prayers answered,etc. the roman catholic church i grew up in never had answers,just sin - condemnation-hell fire -and GOD was waiting to beat me over the head. i quit going and prayed to GOD to meet someone or group that would teach me the truth about HIM, and a few weeks later i was witnessed to , that was 1980 . talk about getting peace on the inside and many questions answered. there aint no other group that teaches as much of the word as twi does. there are those that teach accuratly but not to this extent. at one time there wasnt a twig close to me so i went to an independant fellowship run by a former way coordinator. it just wasnt the same. you have to do what you want to do and i'll do what i want to do . free will, and a free country to do it in at least free for now. ther are those who would like to take the freedom that we have in this country away and put us under iron hand rule.well we wont let that happen. i wish you the best ,GOD bless

dear shiftthis,

do they know that you participate on this website?

peace,

jen-o

yeah and they dont care and it wouldnt mater anyway no one tells me how to live my life!!!! this is a TOTALLY different ministry. no more lcm dictating peolples lives , and even than i cannot understand why people would allow someone else to tell them how to live. i got kicked out about 1998 and after lcm was gone i came back. this ministry has changed so much the past 7 years you could even call it by a different thats how much different it is . i lived with leadership for about a year from 02-03 and then went way disciple . i had ben a wow twice 81-82 and 83-84. when you have bad leadership bad things happen, when you have great leadership great things happen. same goes for your job, good boss good things bad boss bad things. we will never ever allow bad leaders in twi again, it took a while to weed them out but they are gone. i know a lot of people were hurt, and screwed over including me, but those days are long gone. loving ,caring how can we help you leaders and people in the ministry. in the book of peter it warns of false ministers that shall come in among you so you gotta be watchful and nip them in the bud ,keep them out.

oh no !!!! not global cooling i hate global cooling !! back in the 1970's in the 8th grade we were being taught in school that we were headed for an ice age. time magazine did an article on it , it was everywhere. we were being warned of this and that and when it didnt happen people forgot all about it. a little bit later global warming . now the scientist have backed off. they say the hottest year on record was 1990 something . now i guess they will start telling us we are heading for an ice age . i hope not i like it warm !!! 2 peter ch. 3 says this earth will remain until its time to be replaced so al gore and the rest of his bunch will not get their wish or is it woooooosh !!! it says this earth shall pass with a great noise !! BOOOOM !!!! i want a front row seat to see the end of the world, you know the fivefifty tickets in front , or marbe i'll get to do a drum roll, i play drums !

In all that I have read and heard of TWI, it appears they place a great emphasis on understanding, and knowledge, as if this is the basis of the Christian life -- to study the Bible as I would study my textbooks for my classes. And they claim to have the correct understanding of the Bible! To those that still cling to TWI teaching and philosophy, as well as to those that don't, I have something from my good friend Jeff, who calls himself "azrienoch":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9r6EWxxLfE

When we try to understand and comprehend, we often find that we don't understand or comprehend. When we try to see or envision, we often don't. When we simply look, observe, and take in what we are looking at without thought, we find that understanding and insight comes naturally. So for those of you who claim to understand, who search for truth through your own insight, who study so diligently and who so virulently work to gain knowledge as Wierwille did: all your efforts to attain knowledge are in vain. Why bother wanting to know so much, when you can become like a child as Christ commanded and know so little, and be at peace? The understanding that you will never understand is much more liberating.

Just a little food for thought...:)

~ Phil

if you ever fly in an airplane it would be in your best intrest for the pilot to have studied and learned the class material thats he needs to fly that airplane ! i certainly wouldnt fly in a plane where someone used insight as a guide. would you be at peace if the pilot knew so little ? probably in pieces !!!

the intro song for the movie "my cousin vinnie" it just come on on hbo. great movie,i really liked the caracter that fred gwen ( herman munster ) played in this movie !!!

Maybe this is off topic but, have you ever noticed that people with these tendencies seem to have a "knack" for finding their way into middle management positions?

i work in the construction industry and have worked for a few, had a few on my crew, and dealt with a few in other trades.

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Here is a site to look on you can search by state or name Dennis is listed in CA as far as I know he is still there, but unles they update their info sometimes the emails are out of date

David Garibaldi is playing drums for Tower of Power.

(Or at least he was 6 months ago)

thanks. i went to a fellowship he ran in northridge ,ca. in the late 1980's. i play drums and shortly after moving to hollywood i moved to the valley right down the street from him. there were some other drummers that came but i dont remember them. he ended up moving to san francisco and i never saw him again.

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Here is a site to look on you can search by state or name Dennis is listed in CA as far as I know he is still there, but unles they update their info sometimes the emails are out of date

david garribaldi, ben potrowski,christine rocca, mark cutler,fran lubby,rocky nored,mark barrington,charles radliff,bill ginninthal,jeff walace,rick horncoe,paul castiano,kevin wiemer,denny lingle,kevin flanningan( was known to hang with ozzy osborne guitarist zak wilde)to be continued

I come here to find out when we're going drinking... and where!<BR><BR>... big hitter, the lama...

wow talk about drinkin. a friend and i were at an asphalt stock car race track about 30 years ago and someone passed a cup to him with white lightinig in it and he took a sip and he said we better go its gonna rain he just heard it thunder !!!!

Paw, you have done a good work out here in "creating" (I just love to use that word cause I can) an environment for those previously or even currently involved in the Way to get whatever it is they need.

I think everyone that comes out here has their own purpose. We all take our trips to the areas of the community that we feel comfortable in, and we all have our own way of coming to terms with our lives as we know it now with regard to the influence the Way had on us bringing us to this point.

Unfortunately from what I have found, and mainly in the dating and social realm, It's hard to fit in. I am so different in my ways of thinking (and very verbal about it I might add) that I lose boyfriends and have difficulty making friends with people. I am not saying I don't have friends I do but we aren't like minded. My last boyfriend dumped me and told me I needed to be deprogrammed from the error in doctrine that I received from the Way. I won't even go into that story but he broke my heart like no other, and my past affiliation with the Way was sited. I guess not thinking Water baptism was necessary made me evil.

Many have found churches but I find this the most difficult task. So coming out here gives me companionship with people that have similar backgrounds and it has helped me catch up with old friends, and acquaintances. That's my purpose for being out here but like I said, there are probably as many purposes as there are members.

Judging by the size of the membership I would say it's doing GSC is providing something necessary

I think you covered it all.<BR><BR>This is a social arena, where regulars DO <BR>interact, old friendships are renewed, and new<BR>friendships start.<BR><BR>However, IMHO, the most vital functions of the <BR>GSC are its role in assisting people in leaving<BR>twi, or in never getting involved in twi,<BR>and in offering a place to communicate, and<BR>possibly assistance in recovery, for those who<BR>successfully escape twi.<BR><BR>As I see it, everything else, fun though it is,<BR>is a secondary consideration.

o.k. wordwolf why do people need assistance leaving twi? if they dont want to come than stop coming NOW! no one is being held captive, no one is FORCED to come to twig! i left once ,decided to come back a few years later, got kicked out a few years after that ,than decided to come back cuase i want to here the bible that is taught!! i plan on staying BUT if i decide to leave i'll just stop going. and what it this stupid recovery stuff you make sound as if drugs are given to people---koolaid or something(i wouldnt mind takin a shot of white lightning!!!) what are they recovering from ? hearing someone read from the bible!!!!!escape from WHO!?! themselves !!! this stuff you typed here is SO untrue!!! and it says that i along with the other people in twi are bad and evil people. i really dont appreciate this at all for you have no idea what you are talking about. did you EVER attend a way fellowship????? and if not than what gives you the right to post this stuff??? if you did and you quit did people have to rescue you??? if you didnt than you are spreading false rumores and possibly hurting others. it really HURTS me to have people spread these lies!!! i try to help those that want to know GOD!! thats what life is all about , loving GOD and keeping HIS comandments the bible says that is the first duty of man, and to hear you accuse me of doing wrong to people is wrong. I AM THE WAY MINISTRY and so is anyone else who comes to fellowship,there is NO ministry without those of us who come to fellowship!!! we are THE WAY MINISTRY!!!

hello: i am a way goer!! started going in 1980 , was gone twice from about 87 or 88 until 94, and again from about 97 or 98 till 2001, went way disciple 03-04 to alabama which proved what i knew all along that alabama is mississippi's step child,thats right no difference and i got proof cause i'm from mississippi!!!! o.k. back to the topic. i dont have anymore access to info about twi than anyone else,except maybe upcoming class dates,events etc. i know who my limb and region leader is, i go to his house once a month for branch meeting yes he's my branch coordinator also , 3 in one but i dont remember much about the trinity movies from the 1970's they were westerns.(some people are probably wondering what in the world is this guy trying to say!!!!), some of my co-workers think i got dropped on my head when i was little!!!! i'd like to say that twi has changed dramatically in the past 7 years. all the bad leadership has ben weeded out, and the leadership we have now are just awesome. if they werent i wouldnt have come back. i know there were a lot of bad leaders that hurt a lot of people. there are those who are still around and maybe even lurking on this website that would love to inflict pain and kaos on our ministry and seek to destroy it. so twi along with myself and the rest are not going to allow that stuff to happen. i personally wouldnt talk to any of those tyrants much less provide them with ministry information. i read some post from people on here who i think want to bring down twi. i have also read MANY post on here from people who were hurt by these former way goers. anyone on this site that wants to inquire about twi or start going to fellowship again should contact twi. you will probably be srceened like i was but this is necessary to keep the riff-raff out. i have a ginuine desire to learn about GOD if not i wouldnt be allowed back. i dont want people coming in who want to destroy twi or who dont want to know GOD. never again will people weather leaders or followers be allowed to cause trouble,they will be thrown OUT!!! all i can say is this is not the same ministry i came to 7 years ago, it has really grown into wonderful ministry with loving,caring,how can i help you people, and without all that ego stuff!!! i along with a lot of you was wrongly kicked out back in the late 90's under that jerk lcm's super clean household quest. i hope this helps you,GOD bless you p.s i just want to make something VERY clear . i am NOT here to spy on anyone,keep tabs on this site or anyone, nor am i an operitive for twi. i am here to look for old believer friends and help anyone that i can,there are only 2 other believers that i told about this site and they are friends in tx and az and they might even check it out.

It appears that all the documents, on this site and on other sites, that I have read about TWI and its troubling history are from the year 2000 at the latest. Is there anything more recent?

Thanks.

~Phil

scroll down and read my post...from shiftthis

You all make valid points. I guess what I'm asking is, did anyone ever see VP studying the Bible (or at least commentaries)? I suppose he actually spent time with his "Research Department," where there would be some study, discussion, etc. Perhaps that's a complete misconception, as well. Maybe he just told them to study so he could present the results; or, worse, told them to prove some particular point of his theology. I don't know if Research Geek could chime in here, or maybe Don't Worry Be Happy.

Of course, if NO ONE can say they saw Vic study the Word, that probably answers my question.

George

well george for your info you dont know me ,have never heard of me ,etc. BUT!!! i study the bible. sometimes i'v studied for several hours,just like there are times i'v spent 6 or 7 hours banging mindlessly on this keyboard!!! sometimes i'v really wanted to learn something right away and put in a lot a work. what about collage kids and there studying. maybe collage kids just tell there teachers they study and fake the answers on there test. i never saw vp study just as i'v never seen ANY of the airline pilots that fly the planes i'v flown on study to become a pilot. there are NO valid points to this just someone looking to say stuff. how many hours have you studied the bible. vp had to have done some studying in order to put those wonderful classes together. by the way using other peoples reasearch material is NOT plagerism. vp never said he wrote those research books, he also talked about and named all those other people who helped him learn about GOD, mentioned them by name in the class,STAR DALY, BISHOP PILI (check spelling),etc.

Hi. My name is Phil. I was wondering what TWI teaches, what its' doctrines and beliefs are. I'm an Eastern Orthodox Christian myself, but my girlfriend is a member of TWI, and we've had a few discussions about religion/politics before, and I can see that we apparently view things very differently as far as things like Jesus Christ being God-incarnate (or not), the Trinity, and a few other things. I don't believe religious differences should come between two people who are in a relationship, and they don't come between us. Hah...God bless her...Stephanie and I can talk about anything and we still love each other the same. Even so, these differences I find a little odd and disconcerting as I haven't come into contact with a lot of Christian groups that don't believe that God is a unity of three Persons, or that Jesus isn't God, or that believe in speaking in tongues as a visible manifestation of your salvation, etc. I guess it's evident that I do know a little about what The Way believes, but I'd like to get a much clearer picture.

So, who better to come than to you guys? What exactly does The Way teach and where does it get its teachings from? And if you don't mind sharing, what were your experiences in The Way and what made you leave?

Thanks! :)

~Phil~

hi phil. i have attended way fellowships since 1980. was away for a few years on 2 different occasions,returned about 7 years ago and plan on staying for the bible that is taught. there were in the past some in leadership positions that should never have ben. these former leaders invented laws and tried to dictate how people lived there life. we have weeded all these bad leaders out and have a really great ministry. i personally know a lady that has ben coming to fellowship for a number of years that married a man that is not into GOD. the ministry didnt marry them they were married elsewere. this ladies new husband eventually came to check out fellowship but quit coming his reason he's not interested in GOD.he doesnt go to any church. the lady continues to come to fellowship and has said that her husband is a sweetheart. i met him and he seemed very nice. no one in the way objected to them getting married. there are married people who come to fellowship who have sposes that dont attend. the bible clearly says that if you are married to somenoe whos not into GOD and the 2 of you are happy together that you should stay together,and not divorce. however it says if the one whos not into GOD decides to leave than allow them to leave,thats what the bible says.my mom along with us kids grew up roman catholic. my dad quit going when i was little,my mom was always trying to get him to go. about 30 years later my dad decides to go to the roman catholic church. my mom and dad had a great marrige. one thing to keep in mind are your personal goals in life. this is a BIG deal. if one wants to enlist in the military and the other is not into that lifestyle than you shouldnt get married. i was listening to a woman named dr.luara on the radio and a woman called in complaining that she was trying to get her husband to quit being a over the road truck driver. she said he was a truck driver BEFORE they got married. that should have ben talked about BEFORE they were married and if the lady still had a problem with it than that would not be the man for her,and you go find someone else. hope this helps you, GOD bless you

NO!!!! pfal is not part of the bible and neither are any of the other classas!!! they are classes !!! what is a class? a place you go to learn about something. do classes use material written by other peolple? yes! i worked as an electrician and took an electrical CLASS . we had books written by others. the class taught me how to better do my job. some people who have never done electrical work take classes to learn HOW to do electrical work. some others get on the job TRAINING. pfal taught HOW to study the bible. if i decide to be an airplane pilot i will need to take a class called ground school,or i can risk my life and others and risk getting thrown in jail an take someone elses plane for a joy fly!! i myself am extreamly thankful for pfal,the electrical classes,and the fact that you have to go to class to be a pilot. what i cant figure is why someone would agree to take a class and than go to the trouble of posting negative stuff on the web,what a waste of time. i am going to be taking a class on welding so the i learn the correct way to weld. one day i MIGHT,maybe take a class on computers. if you can figure stuff out for yourself thats great.

This is very fun to do with the kids! All ingredients: use as much or as little as you'll need depending on how many kids you're serving.

I use the BallPark franks, they seem to work better.

Set a pot of water to boil. Take a hot dog and slice it down the middle, but only about 2/3 of the way up. Turn it over and slice again. You'll now have a hot dog with 4 'legs'. If you're careful, it is possible to make 6 or 8 legs. Anyway, dump a package of Ramen noodles in the boiling water. When they're done, scoop them into a large bowl and add the flavoring and several drops of green food coloring. Mix well. Drop the hot dogs, one at a time, into the boiling water until the 'legs' curl up. The longer you boil them, the more the legs will curl, but I don't recommend leaving them very long.

To serve: put green noodles on plate, and top with an octopus. I use mustard to dot a couple of eyes on my octopus.

oh my gosh!!! we have these fast food hot dog joints here in california called wienerschnitizle (may not be spelled right) thay have a tv commercial about a hot dog with arms and legs thats always on the run so it doesnt get eaten!!! this reminded me of that!! oh my gosh!!!!

Hello to all: I have never been a member of TWI or any of its offshoots. I have an acquaintance/friend who is an active member (even if "member" isn't the right word). I'll be careful not to identify this person, as I have read that TWI keeps tabs on this site. My friend is a good person, it seems to me. I'm not sure exactly what else to say, and I'm not sure even why I signed up as a member. After this person told me his religious affiliation, if that is the correct term, my curiousity brought me to this and similar websites that are very contra-TWI. Upon reflection, TWI's official site is the only one I have seen that sheds a positive light on the organization. I guess I'm just wondering if my friend's experiences in The Way are comparable to the experiences of others. I'm not looking to get my friend out of The Way, and I'm certainly not looking to join. Sorry for rambling on, but maybe I have a question. What kind of person, who grew up in a traditional Christian home and is relatively intelligent, would join The Way? And after being exposed to its teachings, why would such a person continue to be an active member and allow him or herself to become more deeply involved? Would the answers to these questions be the same as the answers to the question of why one converts to traditional Christianity, Judiasm, or Islam? Why did the members who post regularly to this site join TWI, if they joined after reaching the maturation of their faculties? The subjects of mind control and brainwashing fascinate me. I need to sign off now and go to church. Maybe I'll write more later.

well you dont join you just come. and the reason to come is for the word of GOD that is taught. i grew up roman catholic and quit going cause i didnt learn anything about GOD. was told about these fellowships in 1980 went and started learning about GOD. there have ben some really mean and nasty ego headed people in leadership positions in the past and we finally got them out. i was away from the way on 2 ocasions but came back for the bible that is taught. the way has FINALLY turned into a great ministry.there isnt any brain washing no one is forced to go in fact if you are just coming to take up room and dont want to learn the bible then dont come.as far as mind control exactly what do you mean. me learning how to control my mind like an airforce fighter pilot does or a cop does or the president of the u.s. does. if you dont like what you hear you leave and you dont come back its that simple.everything that is taught comes from the bible unlike the roman catholic church which says take it by faith. fortunatly i wasnt raped by some priest and yes i was an alter boy!! i dont know what your friends experiences with the way are but he either likes what he hears and comes or he doesnt. you dont join and there is no membership,you just come and here the bible once or twice a week or whenever for about an hour.its really up to the individual to STUDY the bible own there own at home or wherever. my question is what kind of an intellegent person would go to the roman catholic church? my dad for one ,he was a baptist a long time ago and a few years back started going to the rc . hes never ben to a way fellowship, and probably never will , i'm still shocked the he even goes to a church cause he didnt go for over 30 years. you say your friend is a good person, well thats part of living according to GODS word. GODS word teaches you HOW to be a good person,YOU have to do it ,GOD will not do it for you and i am certainally not gonna follow someone around and do it for them, i got enough things to do like work on my hot rod car,practice my drums,type this sort of stuff on my computer,drink coffee,talk on the phone ,go to the movies to see iron man,etc,etc. as far as reaching the maturation of my faculties well i'v ben playing drums over 35 years i'm 50 now and like what the late great drummer buddy rich said not long before he died i'm still learning to play the drums,and i'm still learning GODS word and HOW to apply it in my life. there were some very bad times in the way brought about by corrupt ,mean ,self serving,ego headed, only care about themselves,people that were in leadership positions but they are long gone. this ministry has changed so much in the last 7 years you could call it a DIFFERENT ministry. we will not tolerate ANY who is corrupt. they will be thrown out. people didnt speak up before and as it says in the book of peter in the bible there shall be false ministers that shall come in among you, we keep a watchful eye these days and we will never allow that again. i come for the bible that is taught. there are other groups that teach the bible also but the way is where i go. go with your friend and check it out for yourself.

I grew up in TWI until I was about 16 or so. I have no idea why my family left or was forced out, I don't even know which. We went WOW to Abilene, TX twice (home WOW? something like that) in the early 80's. I was going through an old jewelry box the other day looking for earrings for my daughter and came across my mini-WOW pin. Talk about a blast from the past. From there, we went to Lake Charles, LA. I remember taking a Grayhound bus by myself at 13 from there to NK for Teen Summer School. I have the group picture somewhere. I really enjoyed parts of TSS, especially the greased pig contest and the concerts, and picking fresh cherries off the trees by the dorms. But that summer was where my comfort level in TWI really went south. I had a 'boyfriend' there, and the adults encouraged me to sleep with him in his sleeping bag. He was the son of some fairly high-ups, and really intimidating. It was difficult not to go along with everything he wanted me to do, and some of it I only got out of because I had my period. I also remember being sent into a dark closet to SIT continuously until I could be heard clearly from outside the closet because I was too timid and not filled with the Spirit. I learned very quickly to make up a few SIT's and Prophecies and committed them to memory so I could fool them into thinking I finally figured it out so they wouldn't send me to the closet again. I sat through PFAL so many times in my youth that I still know the song word for word, and could probably teach the darn class myself now if I hadn't burned my syllabus. Same with the advanced class.

Here's a question I have long wondered, that maybe someone here can answer. I was just a kid, so I really don't know. Did TWI encourage homosexuality or pedophelia? I remember one adult woman who always wanted to hold my hand and kiss me while we were walking around at ROA. I never remember anyone telling her to leave me alone, or chastising her for behavior, but rather telling her what a sweet friend she is to take such good care of me. She'd always go with me to the showers. REPLY .......... .............. first of all i dont buy your story about you being made to sleep with some higher up kid what did you say his name was? homosexuality was never tolerated. i went wow 81-82 and i remember on our wow tape we were given vp specifically saying that if anyone was found to be a homo or lesbian they would be dismissed from the wow program that that would not be tolerated. twi never put up with homosexuality. i took the pfal class in 1980 ,went wow 81-82 again 83-84 same thing on our wow tape. i have ben around twi a long time ,and the ONLY thing that i can validate is that lcm and some other women (married and single) had sex.these women were not raped else lcm would be in prison. just like monica and bill clinton they did it by free will choice. great peolpe ay!!! no petiphiles either else they should end up in a prison cell with big bubba or worse !!

i gots a question ? i think no....................maybe not

Addtional information regarding LCM from legal documents made public:<BR>Even though LCM's Deposition is sealed, there is a reference (by the Judge in his judgement) to a comment he (LCM) made. Why TWI decided to settle with the Allens and fired LCM quickly becomes clearer.<BR><BR>TWI's lawyers filed a motion to exclude testimony of LCM's previous sexual relationships. From the plaintiff (Allens') attorney's brief to the judge to block this action, the attorney quoted a section of LCM's testimony of himself:<BR><BR>"...in light of defendant Martindale's deposition testimony wherein he acknowledged his "sexual misadventures" with both married and unmarried women to whom he ministered as their reverend over a period many many years".<BR><BR>TWI insists to its followers it was a one time deal. Yet, Martindale admits it wasn't. Women is plural and it refers to both married and unmarried women.<BR><BR>Why did TWI's attorney's file a motion to block EVIDENCE of previous sexual encounters if it was really a one time deal?<BR><BR>From the Affidavit of Rosalie Rivenbark (Question #14): <BR><BR>"It first came to my attention and to the attention of the Board of Trustees that Craig Martindale had been involved in an extra-marital relationship in June, 1998, when a follower named XXXXXX raised the issue of Martindale's relationship with another follower named XXXXXX."<BR><BR>So, Rivenbark's claim of ignorance and the BOT's ignorance was also concealed from her beloved household.<BR><BR>victim's names are blocked to prevent further abuse

victims ?? thats like saying monica was a victim of bill clinton,hillary was the victim. monica freely gave herself to clinton. these women gave themselves to martindale . they along with with lcm committed adultry. if lcm had raped them he would be in jail. this is what is called an affair. i dont care what those women say if lcm didnt rape them than they did it by there free will. if they didint want to do it why didnt they resist ,say no ,report it,leave,call the cops,tell there husbands. these women are just as much at fault as lcm.thay should never have gotten 1 cent. they must have gotten a good lawyer. however it was probably cheaper in the long run for twi to settle than go to trial. i could care a less about these women or martindale they are all at fault. the only ones i have compassion for are the families of the married ones and donna martindale and kids.good riddance let them eat dirt!!! p.s. by the way! i'd bet if lcm had found out that a SINGLE guy and a SINGLE gal had a fling they would have ben thrown out IMMEDIATLY!!!! hypocrite!!!!