Thomas Loy Bumgarner

Research Staff, using Earnest Martin's The Star of Bethlehem and Bullinger's Companion Bible

Christian Research Fellowship in Destin, FL and Living Truth Fellowhip, an

off shoot of CES/S&TF

On 7/26/2017 at 9:43 AM, T-Bone said:

Thanks for posting the video, Penworks

Very weird to watch....I think there ought to be a Grease Spot re-make of that by incorporating WordWolf's Living in Wonderland - - where the story jumps back and forth between what is real and wierwille's delusional version of what took place....kinda like "A Beautiful Mind" but call it " A Deluded Mind" . 

 

My suggestion to casting would be to have  some egotistical type person with a huge personality and orange hair - play wierwille and KFC's the colonel play uncle harry.

You mean Donald Trump, our Make America Great again, President?

On 9/15/2011 at 5:08 PM, Thomas Loy Bumgarner said:

it's TWI spin zone

Maybe Rod Serling's TWIlight Zone

BTW, The Evangelical Synod of North America and German Reformed Church, USA merged with Congregational Christian Church which became UCC/United Church of Christ, not Churches of Christ which are Biblical Fundamentalists which rejects instrumental music, preferring vocal a capella 4 part harmont. 2 different denominations.

John Lynn on Facebook has reported he is dying of cancer and has said he regretted having been involved with TWI and it's splinter groups. Seems he has too late realised the real truth.

1 hour ago, rrobs said:

I tried to send a private message to you, but I guess you don't accept them. Sorry, but I have to make this public:

Not that I will do anything about it, but you should be careful with your words.

   On July 6 You said:    You (Robson) better start "all 9 all the time" for "real" now.

Again, I'm not worried and won't report it or anything, but my immediate thought upon reading it was, "Is that a threat?". I don't know who you are or your general disposition, so I don't know what you are capable of doing, or at least trying to do. Nonetheless, I'm treating it as nothing more than an idle threat for now. Let's keep it that way.

Friendly advice, that's all. Take care....Rich

Maybe the initials RD might give you a hint, his ex-wife is Lori

What, no reply to this? Have any of you attended church camps/conference centers?

Today TWI and Westboro Baptist Church would not only picket me but would seek to do harm to me. I came out just over a year ago

Welcome to the Village. You are Number 6, I am number 2(Martindale, replace by the Fox). Wierwille is Number 1, Security by Rover. I am not a number, I am a free man. Sure, bwahahaha- The Prisoner

I just got back from a Music Conference at Lutheridge in the Asheville, NC mountains that was well runned. Wierwille had no business background running Gunnison, same like the Corps(thinking Marines but we thought Peace), WOW Ambassadors(now Way Disciples/Fellow Laborers/Lights), etc.Gunnison Ranch was suppose to be an outdoor ministry, sort of a dude ranch with horses, but his vision was far different than denominational Bible camps, Conference Centers, and retreats(hated the term advances). The typical Christian Camp/Conference Centers have fine detailed workshops open to any Christian believer. North Carolina has several Lutheran and Episcopalian locations, not counting Methodist, Moravian, Presbyterian, Catholic, and Disciples of Christ, or the Cove/Billy Graham Training Institute near Montreat/Black Mountain. The others are located in rural Piedmont and the beach. TWI comes nowhere near this level of hospitality.

I have been a Church Musician(Organist/Choir Director) since 1980, mostly Lutheran with 2 Episcopal churches intermigled

On 7/5/2017 at 6:10 PM, skyrider said:

Rich........imo, you are bordering on Bibliolatry  [......Historic Christianity has never endorsed worship of the Bible itself, as worship is explicitly reserved only for God.]  Your statements like......"The Bible is what matters.  Just read and study that and we'll be OK." 

I disagree with you.

You sound like VP and the never-ending doctrine to "study and stand approved before God."  Study, study, study......yeah, right.  No thanks.

Clearly, there is Jesus as savior, lord, mediator, intercessor, etc. aspects to one's personal relationship with the Lord via holy spirit within.   Time and again, we see Paul and others herald these truths.  Romans 1:1  Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle.......Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.....etc. etc.

Imo, you are here agitating people with your "study, study, holier-than-others-doctrine"........and you haven't added ONE THING of substance that's changed my opinion.  You sound like you're starting your like side-group and are trying to hype your soap to anyone who'll listen.

No thanks.

 

Yeah, Rich, You are supporting Bibliolatry, The Bible should be worshipped above God or Jesus. Rhema relates to grammar/literature which the Bible is, not Logos which is spiritual wisdom/God

Rivenbark is Lucifer? By your command(Battlestar Gallattica humor)

Sorry Rich, but I believe the Word/Logos to be only about Jesus Christ. God in the flesh, not the Bible/Rhema

On 10/20/2012 at 10:27 PM, excathedra said:

is this a toast or a weenie roast? if the latter, i would like to toast wierwille's little weenie roast

LOL, love it

TWI running a website? As Aerosmith sang "Dream On"

Grace, I believe that Jesus Christ alone and only should be called The Word(Logos), not the Bible(although important to study, not to worship).

Some thought Way Corps was TWI's version of the Peace Corps, not Wierwille's perverted version of the Marine Corps

Old Vic thought Country Western Gospel songs were stylistically better than jazz or rock and roll

If I had known about the physical, verbal, mental, and sexual abuse, I would never been deceived about PFAL and TWI.

29 minutes ago, OldSkool said:

After playing along with Mike, id have to say no. Do not recomnend Wierwolfs book to others....lol

I agree, The Answer is a loud NO!

9 hours ago, WordWolf said:

In the 50's, vpw was a cipher, except in the little community where he worked.   It's hard for YOU to imagine nobody hearing of both vpw and Kenyon and being aware of the contents of Kenyon's books and having contact information for Kenyon-but that wasn't the internet age.  Leonard was the only one known to have found out- and he made it clear he was offended by the theft that is plagiarism-he made that clear in writing.  He was legally and morally in the right.   

vpw WANTED to be a household name-but had to play a careful game. If "his" materials got too wide a dispersal, his rampant plagiarism might have been caught. So, he kept the tapes and collaterals under his grip.

Kenyon died in the late 40's and Bullinger in the late 20's. Neither one of them was alive when Wierwille did his class or wrote his books to sue him for Plagarism of copyrighted materials,

On 5/24/2017 at 8:32 PM, skyrider said:

Another generic mumbo-jumbo wierwille splinter cult............

• Why is it?............Seems like every splinter group starts out the same way?
• Same generic spiel.........same "get back to the Word that wierwille taught us"
• Same pyramid structure, same "way tree" concept, same funneling $$$$ one direction.....
• And NEVER......NEVER broach the subject of wierwille's plagiarism, drunkenness, twisted scripture, predatory assaults, etc.
• Why ANOTHER wierwille cult-splinter?

When people escape from Scientology.......do they start up another L. Ron Hubbard splinter group? 

Why are the wierwille splinters everywhere?  Is it THAT easy to tweak some scriptures and gain a following?

Scientology has people following former members and confronting them with cameras, recordings, and threatening them with court cases

WOW, last night's 2 hour special could have been about Wierwille, Martindale, and Rivenbark and Way Corps/Regional Area Leaders