Thomas Loy Bumgarner

Supposedly attracted to Biblical Research(Aramaic, Fihures of Speech, Mid-Eastern Culture), academics

Mike, my Christ is present inside of me, and in the sacrament of Holy Communion/Eucharist. So He isn't absent, no matter what Wierwille, Bullinger, or other Christian authors say. Touche!

On 12/14/2017 at 5:03 PM, Thomas Loy Bumgarner said:

Leah and Mike return in January

Actually, it will be in April

On 2/4/2018 at 11:11 AM, WordWolf said:

BTW, his calling himself "THE TEACHER" began YEARS EARLIER with that cheap film class he did before pfal.  We never heard much about it, but he called the series "THE TEACHER." Yes, he was the only one teaching it.

It was  local television program shown weekly, not a class, broadcasted from Lima

On 10/25/2017 at 12:45 PM, Thomas Loy Bumgarner said:

I wish she had done this earlier and done a follow-up volume 2 going from the interaction with the Jesus People in late 60'sup to VPW going to Scotland to visit Geer(without Passing of the Patriarch crap)and I don't care if daughter Karen had to publish this independently and privately instead of American Christian Press/TWI's involement.

 

21 hours ago, Rocky said:

You are such a troll. Just yesterday you claimed to recognize the need to get a life.

The highlighted sentence in the quote above further underscores your acknowledged inability to communicate.

Unless you can motivate people to be interested in your words, you are nothing but a troll.

You did a double post. Does that mean it must be true?

1 hour ago, waysider said:

France

yeah, right, Nice France is Nicea. Doofus Wierwille obviously never studied church history. Oh right , he studied homiletics-how to preach a sermon. Silly old me. lol

On 1/24/2018 at 1:29 PM, waysider said:

Mike, there is nothing in the premise referenced in your most recent post to suggest PFAL is divinely inspired. Wierwille used some common words that can also be found quite easily in the Bible. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing.

I hope you catch your golden pony. He's pretty elusive.

no, it's a unicorn, lol. But don't tell Greg Gutfield

On 1/24/2018 at 4:00 AM, waysider said:

It's flawed because it is a false equivalence.

"A common way for this fallacy to be perpetuated is one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result.^[2] False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence doesn't bear because the similarity is based on oversimplification or ignorance of additional factors. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such: "If A is the set of c and d, and B is the set of d and e, then since they both contain d, A and B are equal". d is not required to exist in both sets; only a passing similarity is required to cause this fallacy to be used."....SOURCE

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According to the scriptures, Paul "wrote" Ephesians as he was moved by the Holy Spirit. There was no intermediary source.

VPW "wrote" PFAL through a process of consolidating the works of other writers. There were several intermediary sources.

 

Apples are fruit.

Bananas are fruit.

Therefore, apples are bananas.

There is no need to fear the banana-Fox's The Orville

Jean reminds me of Jeff Dunham's puppet Jose Jalapeno on a schtick, Rosie is the puppeteer while Jean is the puppet.

Stallone would have beaten the he!! out of Martindale and Geer. Now that's one fight I would have loved to see

On 1/14/2018 at 4:43 PM, chockfull said:

Penworks, I like your style.  To quote Ziggy Marley in his song "Love is My Religion"

I don't want to fight, hey let's go fly a kite

Let's go fly a kite, up to its highest height-song from Mary Popins

Boom, who wrote the book of love, eh Wierwille?

Mike and VPW were/are wrong. The Greatest secret in the world today is what is inside a woman's pocketbook/purse. You would be surprised, lol

22 hours ago, Thomas Loy Bumgarner said:

Grace, I call it dang

Not happy moderators changed this, hence my further comment

$h!t

Grace, I call it dang

Poor Mikey. He probably is crying that everyone at GSC is a bully to him. He will say I am taking my marbles(PFAL and collaterals) home with me.

Wonder how VPW and LCM would have reacted if I had screamed back at them or CG. Probably they would have murdered me and my body would be in a ditch. Steve Bannon would have been an excellent recruit for TWI

Nice set of buns, lol

When I was in TWI, It was called Dealing with the Adversary. Must have been in the 90's they changed it to Defeating the Adversary.

11 hours ago, Rocky said:

I never asked you for proof. I don't believe you (one) can prove or necessarily disprove that any of Wierwille's religious writings were God-breathed.

Had you not been toying with us, you wouldn't have had to suggest it. But you should be able to support your claims without evasiveness or passive-aggressive behavior if you want to be taken seriously.

Perhaps you don't know what I mean by making an argument? Let me provide some direction where you can get some insight on that subject.

Do you know any lawyers? Have you ever been involved in any litigation (even for a speeding ticket)?

If you want to contest the ticket (or whatever claim is made against you), you have to provide support showing either that you didn't do it or if you did, there was some lawful justification.

You have made claims... that PFLAP and Wierwille authored collateral written materials are God-breathed. You have not supported said claims.

From the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill,

"Most material you learn in college is or has been debated by someone, somewhere, at some time. Even when the material you read or hear is presented as simple “fact,” it may actually be one person’s interpretation of a set of information. Instructors may call on you to examine that interpretation and defend it, refute it, or offer some new view of your own. In writing assignments, you will almost always need to do more than just summarize information that you have gathered or regurgitate facts that have been discussed in class. You will need to develop a point of view on or interpretation of that material and provide evidence for your position."

"If you think that “fact,” not argument, rules intelligent thinking, consider an example. For nearly 2000 years, educated people in many Western cultures believed that bloodletting—deliberately causing a sick person to lose blood—was the most effective treatment for a variety of illnesses. The “fact” that bloodletting is beneficial to human health was not widely questioned until the 1800’s, and some physicians continued to recommend bloodletting as late as the 1920’s. We have come to accept a different set of “facts” now because some people began to doubt the effectiveness of bloodletting; these people argued against it and provided convincing evidence. Human knowledge grows out of such differences of opinion, and scholars like your instructors spend their lives engaged in debate over what may be counted as “true,” “real,” or “right” in their fields. In their courses, they want you to engage in similar kinds of critical thinking and debate."

"What is an argument? In academic writing, an argument is usually a main idea, often called a “claim” or “thesis statement,” backed up with evidence that supports the idea. In the majority of college papers, you will need to make some sort of claim and use evidence to support it, and your ability to do this well will separate your papers from those of students who see assignments as mere accumulations of fact and detail. In other words, gone are the happy days of being given a “topic” about which you can write anything. It is time to stake out a position and prove why it is a good position for a thinking person to hold. See our handout on thesis statements."

I believe it is disingenuous of you to demand anyone here set forth an acceptable format for proof before you proceed with making an argument.

Something Wierwille should have known for his MST and THD which he failed to do. BTW, those documents belong to the institution and not the student.

Mike says he got to know VPW at ROA 1972 where he seemed nice to people. Yeah Bud Morgan's documentary took that position. He later regretted that after PFAL 77.

Bingo. You stumbled upon the truth. I was a music major, I had to practice percussion and later on organ, participate in band(both marching and concert), orchestra, and choral. Plus I and other music majors had to give a jury, semester mini recital before the entire music faculty to get a BA, later supplemented to the equivalent of a BSM with a certificate. I worked harder than Wierwille ever did.

21 hours ago, Mike said:

 

I like Bullinger"s writings and they were not too dense for me, just disagree with their theology from my Lutheran perspective