Rocky

On 10/28/2025 at 9:04 PM, WordWolf said:

the useless point of all "ROBBERS" being "THIEVES" but not all "thieves" being "robbers." 

In Dominion by historian Tom Holland, he makes a strong case that we (i.e. followers and former followers of Victor Wierwille) miss SOOOOOOO much perspective on how Christendom influenced Western Civilization. Victor had some idea but he grossly missed the mark, IMO.

Indeed, the point, as WW said it, misses the fact that the Roman Empire discarded unruly slaves by hanging (IOW crucifixion). It was a common practice, apparently.

On 10/23/2025 at 10:21 AM, waysider said:

This concept of becoming a better human being is lost to TWI's endless pursuit of pedantic excellence.

Alas, it was only after having been tricked by Victor Wierwille's "ministry" for more than a dozen years did I learn to recognize this very salient point.

On 10/17/2025 at 4:30 PM, WordWolf said:

I've gone through some of the others- "docvic" and "slick vic" were some of the more longstanding ones.  I tend to use "vpw", although lately I've been using "the plagiarizing rapist" in conversation, interspersed with "wierwille" to avoid any confusion with, say, Jeffrey Epstein or someone else.    

I use his name without the honorifics. I call him Victor Wierwille.

On 10/16/2025 at 3:39 AM, WordWolf said:

" The way I look at things like this now is through the lens of what society understands, in general." 

Well, exCUSE me.

On 10/14/2025 at 7:20 AM, oldiesman said:

any photos available?

Twinky posted a pic on FB last night (or today).

On 10/14/2025 at 7:13 AM, oldiesman said:

I did that once myself... told a guy in high school that I thought homosexuality is perverted... so he called me perverted.

But I was and am thankful that we learned the correct doctrine about homosexuality in TWI, LCM's rants notwithstanding.   Not only is homosexuality wrong, it's an abomination.  "I didn't write the book" as VPW would say.    I want to please God though, so a part of my morning prayers consist of asking God to show me how He feels about important issues like this so that I may make a deliberate daily attempt to walk in a way that is well-pleasing to Him.  

The way I look at things like this now is through the lens of what society understands, in general. I'm not afraid to believe that homosexually oriented people are human beings just like you and me. IMO, God doesn't hate them or consider them "wrong." They just are, just like you and I are humans.

Whenever I watch the intro to an episode of Jeopardy, when Johnny Gilbert introduces Ken Jennings, I still am stuck on expecting him to say Alex Trebek. 

It's a mental habit... of my expectation. IOW, don't beat yourself up about it Penguin2. 

54 minutes ago, Edgar said:

hi,
i was raised in twi
did splinter groups.
an atheist for a lot of years -- no faith left
i'm neurodivergent

i found this site helpful early on definitely but didn't post.
year later now.
looking forward to getting to know folks.

To me, it's no wonder you consider yourself atheist after the childhood description you left on another thread.

40 minutes ago, Edgar said:

i was isolated and homeschooled through elementary school
one of my first memories was pushing my bike in my neighborhood thinking about whether i was possessed or born of the wrong seed. and thinking about how important it was and how i think about it all the time.

i also remember sitting on the floor at the mandatory monthly phone hookup.
and craig martindale had been going for so long.
his teaching was vile hate speech and spiritual warfare against the "homosexual onslaught"
and i looked at the clock. and i knew teachings were supposed to be 45 minutes. but it had been longer.
and i couldn't get up because all the adults were watching and where would i go.
i told a friend that homosexuality was wrong.
he asked what that means?
and i said i don't know. his mom didn't let him hang out with me anymore.
it's a bit sad though but we didn't stay in twi proper for too many more years.
but that group. in the craig era (the great apostle had died before i could remember). i can't think of anything good i got out of it.

does this resonate with anyone?

So sorry you had to go through that Edgar. 

On 9/19/2025 at 7:08 AM, oldiesman said:

George, just got back my most recent PSA results, it was 2.53.

 

Wow! I've never gotten PSA readings that high (IIRC).

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/125154199-the-coming-wave

My concern is whether AI can be contained.

3 hours ago, GeorgeStGeorge said:

A few months ago, I was diagnosed with prostate cancer.  (Early stage, no metastasis.)  My boss pointed out that the radioactive tracer FDG (fluorodeoxyglucose) is used to detect cancer cells because glucose derivatives are consumed more rapidly by cancer cells than by healthy cells.  He suggested a low-sugar diet.  My GP suggested teh same thing, but to lower my triglycerides and A1C.  When I asked my radiation oncologist about it, he said that some cancers might have a positive response to a low-carb diet, it doesn't really apply to prostate cancer.  He pointed out that, just like other cells, when glucose is unavailable cancer cells will eat whatever nutrients ARE around.  I will be undergoing radiation treatments shortly, and, ironically, in order to avoid gas production which could interfere with the targeting, I'm now essentially on a high-carb, low-fiber diet.  Mashed potatoes, pancakes, and oatmeal are fine, salads and uncooked vegetables are not.  Also, because the radiation may affect my urethra, acids and spicy items are no-nos (so no orange juice or coffee in the morning).  About the only things that are both low-carb and low-gas are grilled meats and fish.  

One thing that really DOES promote prostate cancer, unfortunately, is testosterone, so I've been on a testosterone blocker for a couple of months now.  My PSA has dropped to 1.1, which indicates that the cancer isn't growing.  The bad news is that I'll have to remain on the blocker for up to two years after the radiation treatments.

The good news is that my oncologist is quite sanguine about my chances for eliminating the cancer.

George

Best wishes George for beating this cancer.

4 hours ago, Nathan_Jr said:

I now see the ambiguity in my sentence. To be clear:

The reputations and finances of victor wierwille, his top acolytes, and the Ponzi scheme they built were at risk. 

Perhaps because of a pervasive practice of sexual predation and depravity? That's what I was getting at. Perhaps my post above also was too ambiguous. 

23 hours ago, Nathan_Jr said:

Pro-choice? Hardly.

It was never about a choice.

Pro-abortion is a more mathematically accurate and scientifically precise description. Abortion was merely a rational and practical method deployed to mitigate risk of reputational and financial loss. 

True! But what risk in particular? 

16 hours ago, oldiesman said:

I didn't believe in striking the guy's name since it was his idea in the first place, but whatever Raf wants to do with this thread is fine by me.    

Frankly, I don't believe the idea originated with Kirk. I concur w/ the edit. 

I'm leery of AI generated answers because we generally don't know how broadly the particular model has been "taught." 

In this case, it occurs to me that the scenario presented by the AI seems to make inferences about why/how low-carb diets may work to minimize cancer risks.

There MAY be other mechanisms at work to cause the effect in the scenario. For example, I've gotten info from VA dietitians that suggests it's not just a matter of ketogenic diets. Rather over the course of more than two decades, they've advocated eating fruits and veggies which may not necessarily be strictly low-carb. 

However, it's worth doing more research and I hope there are people exploring these questions.

Thanks Oldiesman for your post. 

1 hour ago, Seth R. said:

My argument is that VPW used the closeups of his face to induce trance.

LOL! That and a few rhetorical tricks. 

14 hours ago, Joe Maslow said:

This presents us with a challenge for Greasespot to reach people all over the world and not just in the usa.

The challenge we face is not beyond telling the story of what we know or experienced first hand. 

IF TWI "missionaries" in Africa or South America abuse people, it will be up to people they know to seek out GSC or any other outlet telling the stories.

13 hours ago, Joe Maslow said:

it's already well known as a cult by several LOTS of people.

On 8/21/2025 at 6:56 PM, Twinky said:

(sorry, the page cannot be copied & pasted).  Look at page 1 under Achievement and Performance.

But it can be saved as a pdf document. I did.

2 hours ago, oldiesman said:

You too?   I hope you're doing great on it and feel good Rocky.

I started two years ago this month. I'm doing well. thanks. 

4 hours ago, oldiesman said:

BTW Seth, I forgot to ask you before but what is considered the top dose for Ozempic?    Thx.

.5 ml/once per week

On 8/16/2025 at 8:04 AM, GeorgeStGeorge said:

I could have sworn I added Erin.  Looks like she's veering away from the US.

George

Check the top of this thread... maybe you did.

5 minutes ago, Belle said:

"More than 3,000 people" - were these people pestered over and over until they caved in and used vacation and PTO to appease the gods of TWI? 

Great question.

7 hours ago, oldiesman said:

One of the most useful tips I got from VPW on this was this often repeated phrase:  "You can't control which thoughts hit your mind, but you can control which ones take up lodging in your mind."

It was actually Oldiesman quoting Mike. I'm not sure this insight was unique to Victor Wierwille.