Rocky

2 hours ago, chockfull said:

With incidents I have heard plenty about smug condescending arses at Holocost diaplays museums etc.  People who can’t STF up from spouting their so called expertise on the topic.

Were those (or any of those) people wayfers or former twi? I appreciate the feedback. Thanks.

1 hour ago, cman said:

yeah, what is it you want?

...remembrances or documents and info or anecdotes?

sure......

Yes.

1 hour ago, chockfull said:

Babylon Mystery Religion

Thirteenth Tribe

Harvard Classics (I have a set)

Dale Carnegie - How To Win Friends and Influence People, The Art of Public Speaking, How to Stop Worrying and Start Living

The Tracker - Tom Brown Jr

Myth of the Six Million

Luther the Reformer

Foxs Book of Martyrs

The Encyclopedia of Occult Sciences - from Adv Class list

some cr@p on raising kids like training dogs.

Many others on the “Corps Reading list”.  I don’t have a copy of that any more wonder if any do.

 

Thanks. I'm curious about the cultural impact of the three highlighted books, if anyone has any info or anecdotes.

Again, I'm NOT inviting political discussion. Just remembrances or documents. Thanks. 

Btw, I have -- in my Kindle library -- a copy of Dale Carnegie's book. Of course, it was included because (I figure) it's still a major salesmanship book. As well as having in my Kindle library a copy of a collection of Harvard Classics. Various versions of these anthologies can be obtained on Amazon for between $.99 and $4.99. I suspect they were included for general studies purposes.

2 hours ago, Mike said:

Another is "Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television" by Jerry Mander.

I thought GerryMander(ing) was a more politically oriented practice. j/k

https://www.amazon.com/Arguments-Elimination-Television-Jerry-Mander-ebook/dp/B00DTTEDPC/

I remember the book but never read it. Today, the fearful have shifted to concern over the societal impact of the internet.

As for television, it seems self evident to me that regardless of the sociological impact on humanity, television remained viable because it was a major tool for bringing widespread awareness of things to buy. IOW, mass marketing tool.

2 hours ago, Mike said:

Still another.  I was a big Arthur Koestler fan before "The Thirteenth Tribe" came out. Still am.

How did this book figure into Victor's affinities related to (against) Jews?

2 hours ago, Mike said:

"God's Smuggler" by Brother Andrew.

I read it in 1983.

 

Yeah, that was a good one. I read it too. In my mind, it was biblically related.

Did you ever read the Babylon Mystery Religion? or the Thirteenth Tribe? or anything like that?

Disclaimer: I'm not inviting discussion of approval or content of those books, just wondering about the degree to which anybody may have taken those sources seriously and which books they may have been. IOW, NOT discussion of politics. Just whether non-biblical material was taught or discussed in (twig) fellowships.

Thanks

11 minutes ago, Rocky said:

That was my impression when I first read the WaPo story last night, too.

Frankly, I think it might take time for those IN the IHOPKC cult to realize they need to let the group die a (merciful, at least to the victims) death. Well, at least it doesn't appear they "get it" yet.

I just now posted the following to the WaPo story comments:

1 hour ago, Nathan_Jr said:

The approach IHOPKC is taking is clearly focused on maintaining control and protecting the institution.

That was my impression when I first read the WaPo story last night, too.

Frankly, I think it might take time for those IN the IHOPKC cult to realize they need to let the group die a (merciful, at least to the victims) death. Well, at least it doesn't appear they "get it" yet.

I don't generally embrace religious viewpoints (including Wierwille's, despite his claim his is not religious) but the influence of music as a powerful art and human expression of spirituality captures me (and I respond emotionally every time) every year at this time when I hear the Hallelujah Chorus from Handel's Messiah. 

here's the Hallelujah Chorus portion of Handel's Messiah.

Agency, according to Dr Brown, is "I believe I can do it!"

5 hours ago, oldiesman said:

One really simple way of shedding the group and the waybrain is to do without it for a month!  Remember what VPW said in PFAL...  take a month and shed the world and exclusively delve into the PFAL materials?   So try the reverse and see what happens..    Surprise surprise.

If only... one day... er, one month at a time.

I wish it was that simple. 

On 11/14/2023 at 11:43 AM, Charity said:

Only once did I wonder if a post of mine had been deleted (can't remember now what it was about), but I found it disappeared along with some others when GSC downloaded that new program.

About the video, you know how twi whitewashed the truth about vp (and is still doing it); you can expect the same to be going on here.  Bickle has agreed to the church's terms to stop all ministering in person and on social media but he has many devoted followers in leadership. 

This is the man who led that church into an extreme teaching of the song of Solomon being about the bride of Christ and Jesus. All romantic and sexual phrases and verses were how their followers began to relate to Jesus in their words, prayers and songs written by them.  His end times teachings are horrendous as well.  I came to learn about this guy through the Vineyard church I was attending.

Anyway, I don't believe the truth about the sexual misconduct will ever come to light if the investigation is not a totally independent one.  So thanks again to anyone who takes a few minutes to add their name to the petition! 

Bickle and IHOP(KC) have become national news. The link is to a Washington Post news story and because I subscribe, the story is NOT behind a paywall. IOW, it's a gift article available to anyone who wants to read it.

10 minutes ago, Ham said:

There is no Anti-fragility here.. we were all made to be destroyed.. in on context or another..

I disagree. 

We all die, ultimately. In the interim, there's hope for meaningful life.

Please don't derail this thread.

17 hours ago, Ham said:

Written TO a society which worships a multitude of various contradictory gods.. and thinks that Wealth = Right.

 

That's just for starters here..

IOW, to people (or a people) of, in, and/or from cultures substantively different from what we are familiar with today.

Hence, it's extremely unlikely we can construct, in our own minds, a framework for which to grasp "the original intended meanings." That is, even if and when we give credence to the notion of God, a/the creator.

15 hours ago, Ham said:

Rocky, I appreciate the message of thankfulness.  and gratitude.  With all of the fears of the world.. I generally come to the conclusion:  at the moment, I have everything and more than everything that I need. 

Glad that you would want to offer me some comfort.. heh.  I'll take it..

 

 So sad about her passing. Any details or an obit available, waysider?

Btw, I'm not pointing either one or three fingers anywhere. 

On 12/2/2023 at 5:49 PM, Rocky said:

I cringed when I read your answers. Religious (not necessarily limited to fundamentalist) frameworks, the whole gamut of Christian and Muslim, and maybe Jewish (but I don't know enough about Jewish faith or traditions to say with any degree of certainty) engulf their followers, notably indoctrinating them from infancy as much as possible in adversarial mindsets.

Why does it have to be that way? Am I right when I posit that it may not have to be that way? IDK (I don't know).  

As to hating yourself sometimes, I would love to offer you comfort and encouragement. IOW, I hope it's possible for you to discard whatever in your mind causes such feelings or beliefs or thinking or whatever.

This may or may not be foundational truth, but it can be comforting and encouraging. 

 

Well, that's sad. The video was on practicing gratitude. Let's try it again. 

This song (not this arrangement which much newer than when I was in school) was one of my favorites in high school when I was singing in choirs.

7 hours ago, chockfull said:

Well from the details I’ve read you shouldn’t have to worry.  The girl plans to only leave the account up and public for a short period of time.  Who knows, maybe due to online critics?

Again can you please take your push for whatever your agenda is to your own thread?  

I don’t want to do anything with “my story”.  Those who know me and love me know it.  Others hear parts of it.  I really could care less how TED talk says your brain responds to it.  And I have zero desire to make “my story” “matter more”.

i mean start a topical part of the forum for “Creative Writing” or “Memoir Writing” or “Journaling” for chrissake!

Thanks for the ideas.  Btw, I certainly don't worry about how Jennifer presents her story/essay.

My IMPRESSION of Jennifer's essay is that she was citing data. I wanted to hear and relate to her STORY.

This TED Talk given in February 2021, by Karen Eber, on how your brain responds to stories, and why they are CRUCIAL (for anyone wanting to get the attention of their readers and listeners).

What do you want to do with your STORY?

I hope you want your stories to matter more than they'd be if they were only facts.