Rocky

This is true.

Oh heavens no, they do NOT intend to start a new splinter cult! HAHAHAHAhahahahaha! Methinks they doth protest too much (with their denials when asked about intent to start a new group).

Okay, thanks.

Other than Undertow, Yuval Noah Harari's book Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind, provided tremendous insight on how our species (homo sapiens) goes about concocting elaborate fictions upon which to base our lives and cultures. In MANY ways, Wierwille's fiction is just like Hubbard's. Like Charlene said, " the "accuracy of The Word," is a mirage..."

Did you delete posts from this thread? If so, why?

I've got to say that even though you didn't get to view the video, you have them pegged pretty well.

Completely reasonable assessment.

It also occurs to me that the quaintness and apparent deficiencies in understanding the dilemmas they (the panelists in the video and perhaps also the rest of the signers of the documents sent to the BOD) face is a very sad manifestation of stifling the inquisitiveness of sixty-somethings for more than three decades. The only thing these people seem to know, and the only language they use, is right out of PFLAP and Wierwille's teachings of the Bible. The best thing that could happen to/for any of them is to come to the realization that humanity/society left them behind. I learned long ago (but still, AFTER I left TWI) that I don't know nearly as much as I need to know. Fast forward to recognition that knowledge among humans is growing at an amazing rate (geometric, perhaps) and that I needed to adopt a lifelong learning mindset. That's why I read. But if all one reads is TWI drivel, how can they expect different results? That's not to say I'm better than them... they're still breathing, so they can decide to break out of the box of their mental and emotional prisons and start learning what else there is to learn. So, for The Way Cult, damage control means to cut the R&R leaders off. But for the R&R leaders, damage control may mean they need to break out of those mental/emotional/social prisons. The fact that they have grown dissatisfied with The Way Cult is a good first step.

It's on FB in a closed group event page. I don't know how to share it if it's available at all to do so. If it was on YouTube, I'd share it. Overall, having endured the entire 59 minutes, I'd say the panel is puffed up about their own importance, naive about whether they could make a positive impact on TWI and/or in denial about what seems like the natural result being to start another splinter group. For me, having been out of the cult for 30 years, it all seemed quaint. Nothing in the video changed my view that their endeavor is Sisyphean. The saddest thing about the entire affair is that there may be a thousand or more people cluelessly hoping that this group may actually bring about restoration and revival of TWI. If there is to be a revival of any kind, wouldn't it be God's prerogative rather than that of a bunch of people who committed their adult lives in service to the narcissistic subculture started by a minor megalomaniac? In FB threads on the event page (where the video rests), people are longingly asking for disclosure of the the documents sent to the (as one GSCer said last night) Board of Dummies. Yet, those documents have already been posted here. Now, if I were to respond to those FB threads with that insight, I'd probably be banned from that event group.

Yes, they read some of the questions. Check out the Damage Control thread.

No question about that. This panel spent time denying the intent to start a splinter group. However, they have to realize they all are going to ultimately be M&A.

Of course.

Consider that you have a target audience for such a strategic move that includes potentially a thousand or more people who are already locked into the idea that they need to give away 15 percent of their income in order for God to protect them. The question is whether a viable market exists. I'd guess that it does... and that among the new splinter leadership group, there's probably enough financial resources to make them not so concerned about the urgency of getting the new revenue stream up and running to ensure survival.

For context and perspective, the FB event had 1,400 invitations sent out, with 288 people attending it live. Don't know how many people watched or will watch the vid after the fact.

I don't know that it's possible to share the video (it's on FB, not on YouTube), but because I had received an invitation prior to today, I'm able to view the vid on FB... and am doing so now. I've posted a couple of observations in the Damage Control thread. Btw, the video is 59 minutes long and is mostly wayspeak BS...

I can't attest to the group's motivation, but the likely outcome will probably be just that.

On the subject of researching to get to the original's as written by the writers of the books of the bible, the panel sincerely indicated that ongoing research is warranted that might challenge "core teachings" of TWI... but they still are quite naive on this issue. One panelist cited Wierwille on JCING as the standard for changing their minds when necessary. But they have no idea, 30+ years out from Penworks' experience, that Wierwille wasn't consistently sincere in that attitude.

Just a few minutes later in the video, the panel addressed the issue of the Moneyhands being M&A. They all laughed and surmised that it wouldn't be only Bob and Dottie...

Ed Horney, at about 28 minutes into the video recording (on FB, not YouTube, so I don't know how to share it here or if that's even available) talks about Acts 15.

I know, right?!

Hey Randy, You might be able to fool all of the people SOME of the time but because you can't fool all of the people all of the time, this is what you're really doing...

Isn't that SPAY-SCHAL? Ginn's damage control message demonstrates that TWI is dealing from a position of weakness.

They crossed that border already. Yeah, they are all Bozos on that bus.

Not sure why it took this long for the letter to be leaked this far... but here it is as a 7-page .pdf file. Perhaps this opening statement is where these supposed elders in the church fit into the classical story of Sisyphus, "He was punished for his self-aggrandizing craftiness and deceitfulness by..." in other words, where the authors of the letter appear to try to present themselves as humble servants of God, it's really an immense portion of hubris for them to actually think THEY are the ones who stand "according to the Word of God and the doctrine concerning Christ and the Grace Administration." Their "full intent and commitment is to bring to pass revival..." Wouldn't that really be God's prerogative, not theirs? Make no mistake, I'm not claiming to speak as a prophet or in the place of or name of God or Jesus Christ. I learned long ago that to actually accomplish that would be far above my pay grade. Nevertheless, in case you're interested, here it is... After the perfunctory standard TWIt opening statements (Greetings in the name of (as if they really are speaking on behalf of Jesus Christ)), it begins, As a result of the final three Way Corps meetings of 2016, we as fellow Way Corps ministers believe the time for action and change has come. We the undersigned, stand together according to the Word of God and the doctrine concerning Christ and the Grace Administration. Our full intent and commitment is to bring to pass revival and restoration for our ministry according to the Word of God in this Grace Administration. Our goal is not destruction, but edification. The following may be difficult to read at times, but to the best of our ability we are setting forth the truth in love, so help us God. Letter to BOD 2016-08-12-1.pdf