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Bob Moynihan passed away on 03/28/2022. 

I found out this morning that Bob Moynihan is in hospice care for pancreatic cancer. 

John Crouch passed away yesterday. Charlene Edge and others on the research team for TWI back in the day would remember John. He was a good man who loved the Lord. Prayers for his family. 

Charlie Qui!!€n has his own 501c3 in Illinois. “Faithful In Christ Ministries”. 2-300 followers. He hasn’t been with CFF for 4-5 years. Fell out with them over whether a Christian can talk or pray to Jesus and other differences.

He was po’d because he wasn’t installed as the new President after John $hroyer passed away and Wayne C!app resigned after serving as President for 3-4 years? 

John $hroyer’s daughter in law became president then. Char!ie wasn’t going to follow a woman or anyone else that didn’t hold on to vpee’s doctrine. 

He’s only after the $$$. 

7 minutes ago, Twinky said:

Many of you will be aware of the history that got LCM ejected from TWI, and you may know the names of some of his victims who started lawsuits.

I met with J@nu@ry B@rn3s.  She told me how LCM had been with her.  She told me the whole sordid details of what he did, where; how her marriage broke down and - oh, just so much.  I had no idea (how could I have done?) - I was "gobsmacked" with what she said, still am really, filled with revulsion; and it's over ten years since we talked.  What she did tell me, though, was that she attended CFFM fellowships and the leaders at CFFM knew some of what had happened (to whom, how, when) and that they spent a lot of time with victims, walking in the grounds, or in other places at CFFM, quietly talking over the abuse (including sexual) of the survivors.  Walking, talking, soothing, praying, listening.  CFFM certainly wasn't in denial at that time and didn't avoid the topic or tell people to move on.

It's not necessary to shout about it from the rooftops at every meeting, so if it wasn't mentioned on one occasion that's no surprise.

Twinky, I had the exact same conversation with J@nu@ry over 15 years ago, and very similar experiences with CFFM. For what it’s worth, I’m in complete agreement with you comments. 

For decades she lived in fear of reprisals from TWI. Actually feared for her life. What a horrible way to live. To my knowledge she’s past that now. 

From what I can see these days, CFFM is doing the best they can do to honor Jesus Christ in their small community of Christians as they continue to help those who were abused by TWI in any form. 

2 minutes ago, Twinky said:

Thanks, DWBH and Skyrider. You remind me. It's not chocolate cake, but a delicious light fruit cake that I suspect has some interesting additions/fruit soaking liquid. Anyway, it's delicious and I think I will treat myself to a piece right now.

Happy Birthday Twinky. Enjoy!

1 hour ago, Raf said:

So you are telling me you have a signed document with contemporaneous Witnesses vouching for the identity of the author. Fascinating.

https://twitter.com/bettywebb

I’ve never tried this so I’m not sure the link will open. Betty Webb has a Twitter account. She also has a Facebook page with basically the same bio. 

Welcome Leah. Your posts here are inspiring, courageous, and commendable. Thank you for being here and for baring your feelings. 

On 2/28/2019 at 11:45 PM, waysider said:

Long answer made really, really short: Genuine languages have identifiable structural components. A linguist does not have to identify a particular language in order to know if it fulfills the structural requirements. S.I.T. has never been shown to meet that threshold.

“Never”? How would anyone know how many people tried to identify their “tongue” with a certified, MA, or doctoral linguist? 

9 minutes ago, Thomas Loy Bumgarner said:

There are at least 3 Dave Craley's on FB, 2 do not have photos

 

It’s David, not Dave. He has silver-gray hair in his profile photo with an open bible in the background. 

58 minutes ago, Raf said:

I'm just going to fall back on "we discussed this ad nauseum" and leave it at that. Feel free to DM me, WordWolf (for a believer who agreed with me) or Chockfull (for a believer who disagreed with me) if you'd like a recap. That goes for anyone reading.

Thanks Raf. I’ll just search through the previous discussion(s) and go from there. 

1 hour ago, Raf said:

But ask them what language they produced, and then sit back and wait for the excuses to fly

After 30 odd years, I’m still trying to sort out speaking in tongues. My question is the following: There are about 7,100 *known* languages in the world today. How would I or anyone else be able to produce to someone what *unknown* language I’m speaking with that many *known* languages in the world? 

I hope I’m being clear. I’m sincerely looking for an answer. Who would believe they are actually speaking in an *unknown* language, then actually seek out a language expert to verify that they are actually speaking a *known* language? 

Did I hear people speak in tongues before I did? Yes. Does my tongue even sound remotely like theirs? No. Is it one of the *known* languages in the world. No friggin’ idea. 

Again, thanks for your response Raf, or anyone else that chooses to contribute. 

22 minutes ago, engine said:

I hardly post, and only started one topic, and it was a doozy.

I was hesitant to post this link as it turned my stomach upside down, but this is the HOME page of Penworks' link to those Way Corps letters. I hit  Home for the hell'uv eet, and this came up...blew my mind. 

https://sites.google.com/site/vpwierwille/

Or, am I behind the times?

This is rough, and I'm a pretty old hand at this, so, caution. This guy has his f*ckin* Corps Notes from 1982 to 1984 typed. One piece was 247 pages! Non Corps- see what you missed!!

All I was doing was exploring again.

One topic was left out on that page. Unconvicted felon. 

On 2/23/2019 at 1:59 PM, WordWolf said:

*sighs*

No, what he wrote in his blog is straight out of BULLINGER, almost verbatim.    vpw isn't the only one who can read Bullinger and spit back what he wrote.  At least one page shows a healthy respect for Bullinger, and their explanation about who they are sounds NOTHING like ex-twi.  So, Bullinger is verbatim, but twi is not.

Like I said...almost. If it was “verbatim” I would have said “verbatim”. I said “almost verbatim”. Are you telling me that what was “almost verbatim” in Mr. Sebastian’s blog was not in pfal?

And for the record I find your “sighs” comment condescending. 

22 minutes ago, Raf said:

i don't suppose you guys are remotely interested in another perspective.

Yes...please...

On 2/17/2019 at 12:41 PM, TLC said:

Evidently you're still having difficulty making any sort of distinction between the gospel of the Kingdom, which Jesus and the 12 preached, and the gospel of grace, which Paul taught.

I thought grace and truth came through Jesus Christ? John 1:17

19 hours ago, Mark Sanguinetti said:

Here is a link to an article that also looks insightful. Or at least should be considered for its content. The person makes a reference to E.W Bullinger, the English biblical article writer that wrote a book on biblical figures of speech. And yes, we today also use what could be considered figures of speech in our wording and speaking. As an example, "it is raining cats and dogs", is not literal, but simply means it is raining hard. 

https://overcomersharvest.wordpress.com/tag/idiom-of-permission-in-the-bible/

An article written by James K Sebastian. Someone who I do not know.

 

What Mr. Sebastian wrote in his blog is straight out of pfal. Almost verbatim. 

9 hours ago, DontWorryBeHappy said:

Hey Raf!

why is the .... promotion of lies and tall tales permitted in the Doctrinal Forums??? I find it horribly OFFENSIVE. Please advise. Thank You.

For whatever it’s worth, I’m in agreement with DWBH. This topic doesn’t belong in Doctrinal. 

11 hours ago, jim jack said:

I'm not too sure that any miracles taking place in any hospitals are "news worthy" to most eiditors of most papers..Presently I'm working with our local paper to produce an article about this incident for the area people to consider & if I'm successful..perhaps I can link that along..I do know a n article was published 3 years ago on this event of which I have a copy as it was very uplifting to me personally.

I’d be interested in reading that article if you’d care to post it. 

I’m in agreement with Twinky. What hospital? What doctors? Might this story have ended up in the local news? I should think so. Not saying it didn’t happen. Would just like to hear more details. 

2 hours ago, Raf said:

Not entirely surprised.

Finnegan gave up on "Once saved, always saved" abooooooout 17-18 years ago. Not sure when, but it roughly coincided with my leaving NY, which was 1999. 

So if Gallagher gave up on it, not surprised at all that they would find common ground.

$choenheit hasn’t given up on it though. Strange bedfellows. 

Did Jesus ever speak to his genealogy anywhere? Did he sit down with his followers and lay it out generation by generation? I guess what I’m after is what “data” did Luke use to trace it back to Noah?

On 9/22/2018 at 4:23 AM, Wraysed2 said:

Q: What are displays in redundancy used merely to beg for more redundancy?

A: The Bible!

 

 

 

In all seriousness, please explain. 

25 minutes ago, Twinky said:

I belong to two churches here. One I rarely support except for special things.  Nobody ever enquires.  There are occasionally invitations to donate.  The other, that I regard as my main church, is a group of churches very active in supporting the community. Again,  regular attendees are invited to donate,  but nobody knows who does or doesn't,  and there's absolutely no compulsion.

I give, because I WANT to, because I know it costs money to help those with nothing. To provide the weekly free meal and hangout time for very lonely, or rather strange, or really impoverished, people hereabouts. To run after-school clubs, homework club, toddler group for young mums. To pay for the outgoings on our building and to heat it. Why would I NOT want to support that?

And every year, the church treasurers present a report to explain how money is spent and answer any questions. Oh, and both churches support external groups - partner ministries overseas and such like. Sometimes an individual or couple undertaking work in Christian or non-Christian communities overseas. 

The question isn't whether one should donate or not,  but is there compulsion? And who benefits from the money received? 

Whole heartedly agree Twinky. Personally I give where I’m inspired to give. There’s a family in my area who’s 12 year old son developed a virus in his spine that paralyzed his legs. He’s going through a very challenging rehab and the family are incurring mountainous medical bills. I’m helping them as much as I can. 

Yes. Giving without compulsion. Amen. 

Do any of you know any Christian denominations or organizations that DON’T ask for money? Who DON’T have a donate button or n their websites? 

I’m not defending the practice. But why think it’s so unusual for any group that asks?