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Alot of it was youth the crowd he was preaching to at the time. To be young is often the ability to live in a world full of dreams. Not neccesarily a bad thing just a season of life. Then we grow older and assume the responsibility of adulthood and this believing theory gets real and alive and more IMPORTANT to life. Your husband may not be there yet!! lol some people never grow up and just ignore the signs that responsibility and integrity and a number of virtues in life should bring. so give it to God and keep playing like a child. Take a look at the bible and the planning and vision and actions and deeds so many of the storys speak of. folks who thought out what was happening how to take care of it and followed through with the plan. God gave Joseph a plan on how to avoid total destruction of the land and he then told the pharoah and then he spent YEARS taking care of what needed to be done to AVOID what God said would happen. WE have common sense if we stand in the middle of the highway and believe for the truck to go another direction we will probably die a horrible death. When Jesus was tempted he didnt take it he stayed on his minute by minute walk with God His father and obeyed His instructions on what to do next. God gives us choices to Chose! I will share the very reason I never went back to fellowship and took up with the ranks, our fellowship leader "believed" they did a nice family but they suffered at the hand of twi dictates of classes and time and money to travel. One day my small son said to me, " Mom if God is so good to people that serve him then why do they always leave their children and beg us to babysit?" Why does *** (their son) always wear the same tee shirt everyday and it is dirty? Why do they not get a new car because theirs always is broken? I looked at this child , I had to work everyday, raise children keep my house reasonable and all what life is and he really wanted to know. I said God is good son and so are you. I never went back. the witness of life is life are you peaceful? do you have a means to succeed in endeavers ? do you cherish wisdom as the bible tells us to? the bottom line is it just didnt work for so many this believing equals receiving ideal, EXCEPT for those living off another pay check!! for Om alot of illusion was in twi, we thought or assumed life was a certain manner for many to find them divorced and miserable in the real life that was hidden to uphold this delusion. huge lengths are taken to appear in a certain manner the pressure to maintain an appearance is incredible and denial is parmount. not very real or healthy or Godly as the bible states we are to be honest and lie not to one another.

1 searcher I am a christian which I define as one who follows Christ . Not all christians believe the same regarding the end times and death. Most do believe in life eternal for the people who chose christ as LORD. I personaly do NOT believe God will burn people in hell for eternity, John S. and CES has done some research on this topic and has a different view on how those who DENY christ as LORD .They will indeed burn, but only for a time, not forever. This is the person own choosing in life actualy when given the choice to follow the KING into the Kingdom or not, the only other choice is death by fire. Basic bible story stuff of choosing your OWN choice is happening in the bible story. Terry is not making the choice to die today somone eles is choosing this for her. Murder is sin. No one who denies Jesus christ will be alowed life eternal. basic christian stuff . Another application one may look at is sucicide ok? If terry did give the directive to die by starvation would it be suicide given we do have the measures to keep her alive ? some thoughts to consider. This changes the topic of this thread, to see more information on this topic go to the link for CES above, then go to the truth and tradition website link on that sight and put it inthe search box. You could also start another thread on hell and the punishments of God etc.

In NY it is a felony Count to have any animal without proper food and water. If you leave your cat outside in cold weather you can be charged with a felony here it happens every winter . If your goat does not have water or food you can and will be charged with a felony count here. People can be sentenced to the death penalty for felonies in NY. Terry and her life and how ever she must live is worth more than your goat isnt she? this is so odd that people feel they have the right to Kill her, better check your hamster and make sure he has food because that is agaisnt the Law. think about what they are doing.

But all we have is his say so and years later. For some reason the family doesnt trust his judgement and maybe a good reason. Look my friend did just take her husband off a respirator and he died of natural causes . that was loving and up to them to decide . she thought maybe if she took him off he would live , he didnt his choice or whoever makes those type of choices the body I guess. some have been taken off and lived. Terrry will starve to death that is murder it is different. She is not being kept alive by unnatural forces. she is given what we all have a right to have food. Just because a person can not feed themself they should die? Just because a person has a different personality they should die now? come on. If she decided then she should have it written up. But we do not know that is the case maybe it is but crap guys listen marriage does not come before murder. A person choosing NOT to have certain medical care is a Choice and a right . BUT terry isnt chosing here and what marriage allows a spouse to decide whther you should be killed? not whether you should have certain medical choices they are killing her . Did she say to her husband gee if my cat scan says this I want you to starve me to death? this is different than extra medical care to keep somone alive. she is alive she is just hungry for a little food and water . good god.

The whole sin thing that twi putin my head freaks my life out! Yes it has messed up my life. a standard hmm? pretty tough to live by. I watch my adult children and they make choices without the turmoil of what God would think and they are fine and in fact alot of the world does christians and leaders in off shoots included!! but no I sit here and doubt myslef and maybe do not do what I want becuase God and some of the teachings I have heard.. bother me mess up my life? yeah . if there is a bema good lord I cant wait what kind of attitude is that in Life hmm? I wish I could be better.

I was wondering about the husbands right but then why are they questioning this law ? because she has not lived as his wife for many years I suppose. Im glad im single. Her parents disagree but it is because this has been so many years ya know. My friend husband parents where still alive in their late 90's and her husband was their youngest child and the only one who has died. They didnt want her to do it either but she did anyway and we all stood behind her and they stayed close although dad did die just a few motnhs later of heart break he said. They respected her as his wife. What is up in this case ? maybe the fact she has lived so long also this is murder and Im not so sure if wedding vows carry that far ya know!

What good does it do to know about a devil spirit? Like they used to say Where is the profit in that? haha Should I feel better now oh well it is a devil spirit and all is right with the world? I do not get it . So what the dog ate your homework or the devil did it where is flip wilson? do people feel better giving problems names like devil spirit or something? Well the reason this happens is because this devil spirit did this and so detailed to!! oh well that explains everything I feel better now. huh?

makes ya want to get a living will right? me toI keep seeing my mother at my bed side forcing me to live with her every single day ! Im calling a lawyer . Well that is what bothering me that others are deciding what her life is and isnt. It is to late! now they are just killing her. rottie lucky my recovery was accep[table for them unlucky for terry her recovery is not. many people live everyday with feeding tubes Rottie. I dare say many disabled have as little or less functioning as Terry it is that population I am concerned about. some of them if born as such do have DNR but not all and they do live a long well you might say suffering life. But who is to decide?

WE have no treatment for many issues in health and disabilities. should they all die? We can just take away all their food . Who is deciding what she is or isnt thinking? A cat scan reveals information . We DO not know enough to decide what is or how people think and do and do not by far. One nuerologist testified today he thinks'life" is within terry he is a pro life individual he spent 90 minutes with her, nost of these experts look at an X ray and decide whether she feels something or not and how she thinks. they do not know .

agreed abby but it is their choice. many disabled have dnr's and some do die of choking to death in a sezure or on asparated food without imediate care they die and if they have a DNR they do die, of unnatural causes. But it is their wish. Some parents have made standing orders for their children born disabled that last a life time. But in terry's case we have no such orders . somone eles is deciding and when and how she should live and die. the very fact we do not agree on what is a quality of life is the reason this is so scary who does decide if not the individual ? the courts a dr, an ex husband a parent ? out of control . makes me want to get a living will, my friend the one who pulled her husband off a respirator has been in my face about it NOW everyone is talking about it.

what a freak out tho ya know I mean food issues all of her life and now it comes down to this? I worked with a bulimic. she was so sick throw up every time she was under pressure. sad sad case but you know the heart attack was not bad enough to KIll Terry her will to live is stronger isnt it? bulimic have mental health issues not death wishes. I think her family understands that. this isnt sucicide.

people do die on a respirator and it is also an uncomfortable way to live. very. If taken off a respirator the body dies . by natural causes the heart or lungs stop. Not so with feeding tubes, to die of starvation . not a natural cause. I guess if you want to look at the many many people in this world who are unable to eat on their own and not help them and think it is ok your opinion would differ. I just do not agree. after sugery I was unable to eat for 19 days I was "kept alive" by intervenous fluid. should I have died? I couldnt eat on my own. they "kept" me alive. dehydration would have taken just a few days but no they kept me alive untill I was able to have food again. how is terry any different? she isnt the difference is some do not think she is'alive" enough for their standards. gross gross. im sorry this is scary stuff.

this is the part I do not get: if I can explain it right. so all these folks are possessed and we have this spirit of God and they have the spirit of evil right? Well if we have the right power and they have the wrong power or lesser power. Our God is the most high God, but they have a right to live here and all what the heck good does it do ? I do not get it. Is it like well they are bad we have the good , but look they can do all these crazy evil things of whcih we notice but cant stop. How is that any better cause we get to decide they are bad and we are good and life goes on, why would God do that? Just so we know ? I do not get it.

I think the difference is mental health issues and state institutions and being disababled. It is true many mental ill folks did find that without the state to house and tell them what to do we have a butch of problems, keeping them housed and fed. Disabled those in wheelchairs and those who need care fared slightly better. and hopefully many are still working on it. I ask anyone here who thinks someone should die rather than "live like that" go to your day treatments for the disabled. see what life is and how it defines itself day in and day out. I am not so sure everyone should consider who is suffering other than Terry at this point. You know? how is my life and its problems and whether I should die or not even remotely interested in another emotions? Yet that is what we are doing. Is their a suffering worse than death? Starving to death at that!!! it is gross. now everyone seems to be talking about getting a living will sounds like a good idea so stop this from happening to another family.

A child is a child and legaly and that is the core of the issue here who says who is to live and die. As late as the 70's some dr.s would tell the parents their child had no quality of life if they had retardation and the infant was put into institutions upon birth. they lived a complete life span (many are still alive today although outof the the state institutions) these state houses have quite the history of mass abuse and torture yes torture for as little as being born deaf and then raised in a dank dark institution with no help. I have worked with these individuals you should hear their stories of survival and success. We began breaking out the state institutions in the 70's after geroldo took secret camera's and recorded the abuse . This was done to them by dr. opinion on how they thought they may turn out in life and what should be done for the best for the family. Often times the parents trustsed his opinion and no question where asked and they just went home and never saw the infant again assumed he/she would die shortly. most didnt. Garth it is a feeding tube only, people and children go on this for many diferent reasons in life. If it was my child you bet I would allow them to live and not kill them out right. I do not think it would be legal or an option. The state would hold it as a right to life and no hospital would assume the responsibility . that is why we are in court with terry now.

when my friend took her husband off life support a few months ago, guess what happened? He died on his own. they are killing terry , it is murder. She is starving to death. So now if your poor and cant eat you must die. That is what is happening here . We can talk about her state of mind lets compare that with the serial KILLERS who we must by law keep alive and spend millions on to defend for years.hmmm does she compare to THAT justice or right in america? The bottom line is she did NOT have papers everyone is agreed IF she did this would be easier. She was an adult when this happened not under the direction of her parents orders. Her parents love her and want to see her live. Her husband thinks she must want to be dead. Well she isnt dead and who is to kill her now? We have millions of disabled people in jeopardy today who can not eat in jeopardy with this court ruling. We have nursing home patients unable to eat and draining all the estate away can a child who thinks he/she deserves the money chose death for them? If she died without artificial support that is death by a natural means this what they are doing is KILLING a person . it is murder. Quality of life is NOT an issue here, who exactly decides when a person is sane or mental enough to live now? JUST who ? If the husband doesnt like the way she lives then leave her alone. I also saw this with brain damaged folks, parents and spouses who could not deal with the personality changes and life style of a family memeber injured in an accident. No they are often not the same person, yes they will be needy the rest of their life, and no one did sign on for this deal in life. Some can not adjust to the changes mentaly and physicaly , they knew them as a differnt person a different relationship a different future. It all stops when one gets this ill. Some walk away within in just a few short years . That is the familys right and I am not to judge them. Yet who are they to say that because this life isnt what they planned for their loved one they must now die??? Because they cant adjust? money it is about MONEY in America? I think not. I would gladly trade one of the bastards who have maimed and killed for her life how about that idea? No they live they have the right. this is dam frightening.

I heard a wonderful quote the other day late night tv sorry forgot who but some dr. or something. he said Most teens will turn out just fine in the end if the parents do not get in the way. Rebel ? If finding your own way in the world , if taking risk, and being full of courage is being a rebel then all kids go through it and MUST. to be seperate unquie people. I tell my 63 year old friend she is no longer her parents child she is a grown up adult. she doesnt get it as she bemoans the fact she still wants her mom to approve of the way she has lived her life!! give it up and love them . I see alot you know with this massive crowd I have called family. It is the parents who never grew up who complain the most about how their children (grown) turn out in life) Those who never successfully grow up and become seperate who cant believe their own child would think of such a thing called freedom and independent choice without seeking another approval. think about it do you think it is normal to go and check with another adult when you make a life choice? Sure consel is fine but if your want to try something new and exciting as youth inspires WHY does your parent need to be involved in the choice? The apartment is to small the boyfriend has smelly feet the job does not have enough benifits school MUST be completed by age 22 or eles? WE are christian YOU must be also. WHY ? so much of what parents call rebel is putting a clamping on allowing another person become them. Then they wonder the rest of their life why the relationship is cold and distant and few facts are shared about what is really happening and important to them. or 63 and still bitching in your face and miserable. they really do not wander to far if you stay in the game of life with them because we do all love one another and that is a powerful force. when my son went to jail for something really really stupid like not paying a fine and they put a bench warrant on him and put him in jail , his older sister called me and was crying and screaming about what a bad mom I was the boy was grown and an adult and i knew he was in jail. I told her if he calls me I will go and she learned something that day about HER life... that it isnt my job to make sure I fix life for them it is her job now and she is much older than him. yes I went to the jail and I aksed him if he wanted to get out and he said mom if I do two more days I got the dam fine paid off I didnt call ya cause it aint so bad but I wont do this again!!! his choice. yeah I paid his bail. he didnt want me to but I left him there in the jail and never told him. and when he saw his sister that night he ripped her a new one for yelling at mom . he also paid me back every cent of the bail bond. we as parents learned how to do it how to be parents, and we made mistakes in life and so will they and it hurts to see your kids go into heavy debt or trust the wrong person or quit school but it was what life is. I do not consider bad choices rebelling. Now self destructive behaviour is different. mental illness may be an issue in that case. Our children know the story of our parenting as fractured ,broken and incomplete.. because they were children...looking seeing learning. When they get old enough to say it was all wrong or not right they are correct it isnt right for them. It was just the best any parent can do. (not talking serious abuse now) So they may be angry you didnt or couldnt meet all their needs!!!!! of course you couldnt no person or parents can meet anothers needs !! that is why we have a self and more important a GOD. So we teach a child to meet their own needsand to know who Jesus christ is and the job is done. and then we become depressed and say they rebelled no they didnt they grew up!!! The fetal cells of a baby stay within a mother for 27 years after birth !!!!!!! it is a tough thing to sperate. but it must be done and it can be done with excitement and glory for this new adult paving his glory in the world!! All my children say I love you every single day NOW !! and I have had years when ALL of them have said point blank they hated me!!!! it is rough. I do not like some of the choices some have made but you know what it worked for them!!! and they are all happy or like when her went to jail for the fine they learned not to do that again. I learned a few good facts in life the hard way myself haha . ya know? just love them they sure do love you no matter what they know no better! My nephew grew up in a very sad abusive alcoholic home. He is in his twenties and to this day he would never say his mom ever failed him or made a mistake, or that life was not always good.. he lives in a dream world of all is family and love and rosy. he is very depressed and takes a load of medecine to get through his days as a young person and has tried suicide twice he is self destructive. If he says he needs to pave his own life and leave his mom she will die, in his mind and training by a very controlling mom... so he cant and he wont and he is not happy or well. but they have never fought he never screwed up straight A's perfect job clean house no sex out of bounds etc.. but he is miserable and at his moms peck and call and they think they are healthy. they are NOT . love stays after the mistakes!!!!! for the kids and the parents thank God almighty for that!!!

ha ha mdvaden! Well that post kind of makes me sound stupid and boring because I write on this forum. You have such a full exciting life!! And your posting is sooo intellectual!!! Wow Im impressed! lol . really lol what a fancy insult!

exactly wewerescammed. magic ! poof ! So many God fearing christians in the world. surprise we are ALLl invited!!! Give a victory shout !

That's a question I've asked myself too many times. Yes. Definitely yes. But that's one of the things I've liked about GreaseSpot -- being able to re-connect with that part of myself that I left behind at my last Twig fellowship, and (mostly) being okay with it, without shame or apology. By the way, did you ever live in Indiana? Sometimes you remind me of someone I knew there. WOW!!! ME to!!! some how I sit here thinking you know these are part of my own special group. ex twi or not. you know what makes me different from the rest of the world sits here. kind of freaky aint it?

Maybe it is middle age . Maybe it is finaly realizing my life is all about what I do and say and am . Maybe it is all about learning to love me. Maybe it is all about knowing how much God has truly blessed my life. It matter because John Lynn says he cares and loves and has all these emotions and concerns, YET, I know Im not the only one who feels this.. there is a line in the "friendship", isnt there? be honest. oh the mog is coming lets have a picnic , let be special today lets take up a donation for the plane fair and put the good sheets on the bed. and when we talk it is about hearing what HE has to say about a matter mostly. It is NOT a real thing a real honest to God get real be yourself hoe down good time when "they show. IS it? they are still "special". they have the gift. and come to "serve" yet it is all of us that bow and perform for their company. Today my house is a mess ok most days, and Im twice divorced. and sometimes my own flesh and blood will say they hate my guts even.. aah my life. I get frightened , I am worried, I am happy, I find peace within the ashes of sorrow . MY life..me. maybe it is middle age, maybe it is because I got involved in a cult and an off shoot and have seen many many many troubles for myself and others all claiming to worship God. God created me, my choices are a part of me. I really do think so many want to impress them when they make their yearly calling to say hello , it is a show. and it isnt real. I have watched and watched the hoop and parade for many, how somone who I know is depressed and unhappy will be all smiles the day one of "them" is in town. it is a celebration of what? Like God cant show up without them or something. and they want it to be so and they enjoy it to be such as it is.. and they make big money from the show. maybe it is realizing Jesus christ is always with me, and my poop is forgiven , that when they get so excited about what they think they can do for others it just seems pale and stupid and a game and pony show... I think they need to realize what love is, and to me now it is being real having somone show up at my home without the picnic and the dish to pass and everyone eager to please,or so needing only them to minister . Come here to my house the cat fur is on the couch and I think my son may smoke some pot!!! But God bless us all within life because Jesus is Real and loves us all anyway. - I like the bible, heck I even try hard to obey quite a bit of it. Im not special Jesus is , God provides a great deal, Spirit and truth is a organization that does paper work on what they think the bible means. hey that is cool, and you know what I take care of the flowers and trees in my yard and they look lovely, does God like you more? are you needed more in this cosmic family God puts together for all of us to LOVE? do we feel more disappointment because you fight with your wife or husband? um WHY???? I truly think John thinks he is special or that people think he is or that ya know "the minstry of those leaders must be so set apart from what life is for everyone we must FEEL differently about it. because they are special, and they like it. oh IM not jealous I have enough fame and fortune plenty in my own ranks and I disappoint who I can myself. that is life. Jesus Christ sits on a throne for a reason, He alone deserves praise and worship. Some how many think there must be a middle place between regular Gods creation who love God and do the best we can to live within His love and the life we live and "them" you know the ones the ones who REALLY serve Gods needs. God has no need. Man needs Jesus Christ and He truly doesnt grow bigger with the amount of traveling you do to groups of people seeking something missing in life, He doesnt give you more and more forgivness because you have read and researched books . He doesnt cry any less when a preacher sins. God does not have double standards or more knowledge of "them" or them of God. I love the work they do, I hate the way they must perform life, and question why? Gods knows I had the dishes piled high in the sink before the big day marked for your arrival when we all get dressed and show up happy. Why would I feel I must hide it from you ? What must you hide from us. or pick and chose who can know and when? why? That is why I care what John Lynn does. He says stuff like "get real" with his tiny little frame and much practiced bravado of the MOG, but I wonder John when you get done with your run in the morning do your feet kind of stink with the sweat of the effort? or do they always smell like roses and if they do not why why must YOU fix it as soon as possible? WE do not live in URGENT Times , God gives the increase of who will live for all of eternity, NOT YOUR JOB BOY!!!!! WE live in an age of grace, and forgivness. When WHEN WHEN will we live with the honesty of that fact? Gods eyes are HUGE and many of His children have ears to hear, for thousands of years... Imagine that. John I care so much what you do, because you do what you do for "the ministry of Gods people" who see YOU. When when will we see Jesus Christ ? THAT has been the question of the ages.. not when the show of CES or spirit and 'Truth shows up... get off the special trip or mission from God.. my flowers are so very pretty this year.. God bless us everyone. When we die and if the Lord tarries , the bible will still be the greastest book ever written and many will still pray to God . That is special , and something to put on the calender. I tell ya the truth about me they show up and I look at how people act and I can not say gee ya know to be honest , Im lonely sometimes and I only make a small salary, and I have needs I think I want and do ya want to play that fun game pictionary??? nah it is a show .... and I think I should be there to LEARN or to please God or them. I cant be me. YET God loves me. and God just loves. People magicand a show. I have learned the magic I see in life is in truly being who I am and being honest and not the competitition the world and groups like this makes it out to be. NO special powers are given to anyone but the LORD. WE were made to love one another, and if we can not one another which means YOU and ME ( two in the one another get it!!!!) it is just not what God wants.

most of the people I know who gush about how much they love me, tell the truth without getting angry at me or thinking IM less than what I should be because I do not belong to a certain group. He has changed his I love you to God bless in the recent post tho. hmm. I guess because he has made a living off what people think and off what people say it may just be part of the program. another thing if your thinking poor John the victim where is his rather inspirational post to Grease spot about how everyone should just stop being a victim? when the shoe is on the other foot victim still works for him sometimes is that the idea?

When women get angry it is called depression.. it is ok for a woman to be depressed to be moody to have crying spells. to share their feelings. Men also feel angry and become depressed but so many cant cry to their buddies and say the feelings they feel . being manly in america means bravado being able to handle all the pain and abuse life dishes out BUT never show how much it hurts. Boys do not want to be sissy and cry , men handle stress it is their job and they should never need help. Emotions are for girls are just some of the false ideals society has stricken on men. hence why rage happens why abuse happens. why men cant cope.

I really am sensitive to what this family is feeling, it has made me think. I would not like to be on life saving support, and i plan on having a living will. My oldest child is so upset about my choice she would want everything done and to prolong "death" in actuality for as long as possible. she has a hard time discussing this with me she gets so upset. My son says he would do it hehe ( you got to know the boy) but I certainly would not want my children to have hurt or bitter feelings toward the situation amoung themselves. aslo my parents are aive what say would they have? I think they would also get sentimental about this and not do as I would chose. it is tough a dear friend just pulled her husband off a respirator he lived for three or four hours... she is ok his very elderly parents were devastated he was their youngest child. But she knew his wishes and the hospital granted them because she was his wife. Im single so I guess I will have to go to a lawyer to write it out clearly for them so they would not fight or feel bitter about anything they would or would not do for me. tough tho.

I go out and socialize, I work with the public, I meet people everyday. This is as real I think. I have found out we neverreally know someone , unles we do and it is rare. also people change. I have known some folks in real life for years and still to get excited or surprised. I am a real person on or off the internet the thing I have enjoyed about GS is I can really write what Im thinking and then read it again and think about I just said and why. In conversations with strangers or casual and some times long time friends I do not always reflect like that. So GS has helped me get to know me without the ermotions of maybe yelling or getting angry about a subject. Sometimes I just read and think about what I would think about the subject, man this does help me! of course when I read a post that agrees with how I feel I feel better about how Im thinking. sometimes I think in real life people say what they think I want to hear, or bring other garbage into the relationship as a focus (that I could care less about) . But they are friends ya know so we all put up with it. yeah to me some here are real. can I go on without the net or GS? yeah I can but I enjoy it sometimes and when i do not I do not bother myself with it, perfect relationship really lol.