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Although I have not been to OHIO in almost twenty years and I have not gone to a fellowship or heard ateaching in just about as many. I am not "out' in my mind. I often wonder what my life would have been if I never got involved with twi. My involvement changed my life . radicaly. and those whom I love. I do not think I can go back to not thinking about some of the stuff I think about now. stuff brought to me by twi. I do not know how. I went to college, I raised my children, I work and I am happy . but still I know Im different, than I was before twi, is it middle age? nah not all of it, twi changed me and how I think . I have done alot of personal who am I work. and that is a part of what makes me , me. I accept that as a fact of my life.

It sounds noble this idea of "private" conversations. Well I say do it and write here what the out come is.. yeah I have and he is who he is and you know the bible "we stand accountable to God not man "!!! Plenty of handy bullets of shame or guilt can be pulled from his pages of bible verses. If you know them right back , then you wont get far. I played the game far to long and so has John . It can be ugly he will insist on personal information or stop the conversation... um why is that? Takes the focus off the individual a very very common co-dependent ploy . John wants to know WHO you are , what that means to his group and then calculating is done to say what he thinks will work for you. John Lynn is a master at what he does. He considers it ministering to Gods people who flock to him . I never said it was wrong it is just how it is. the devil must hate him you know because of all the work he does for God and that is why all these GS posts ATTACK him. Who was doing it back in 87 then satan or john lynn with the tin can?

potshots and gossip ???? CES was started on pot shots and gossip . Where is the need to let the people know the truth or facts) of the leaders now? Seems in 1988 and still today you have found it a mighty mission from God to tell others what your knew as truth about TWI and your various issues with its leaders. But when it bites ya in your own butt with the same , it FEELS different huh ? I understand what goes around comes around clearly and no one deserves it . But it happens . It is how we learn the BIG LESSONS in life . Like no one Compares to the Lord Jesus christ no matter how many lessons they prepare or work they have done all truth will be revealed only by HIM . The people may want a fleshy KING but God does not endorse the game plan of any flesh.

exactly wingnut exactly. Im most harsh on this because I was raised in a politcal family where my father won by how "we" (the family)looked. Im very sensitive to the fact people need to keep up appearances and how this leads to less character and honesty amoung those trying to please the masses, at times, and also the very fake clinger on people who want to smell your success every minute and live off the fumes of being popular.. I enjoy my family much more out of the lime light and Im talking real community strong holds not this bitty little churchy group stuff. We are able to be much more real without the public constraits and exspectations. I am very proud of him still tho. this is old news and Im sure if CES does respod to pawtuckets request they will state it as such ,the divorce was final last May . funny how little was really proclaimed huh? not really. the issue is the christian principle of divorce ok that is the issue , I am not judging I frankly do not even care that much but when the story is told on why so many deny the faith of christians the hyprocrisy of its leaders saying one thing and living another is like #1 is it not? It causes stumbling blocks, I would like to see leaders able to lead ,and they can not when they have the inability to maintain their own life following the Lords will. We wonder why people follow cults and other mindless ideals like Rottie says if the leaders can not live what they teach what good is the sell to those searching for truth?

not just your own personal accountability but many people become attached to others in a very c0-dependant manner even family members. One joins, then it is just easier to still be a part of those in the know . easier less resposibility to self or others when your friends go . people trust who they chose. many in the off shoots want to be leaders and failed in twi , a second change to obey Gods will yet without the complication and mess of twi.. label. it is all about the comofort zone and who knows who .

people do not deserve the messes we get into for sure. forgivness of self and others is vital to my mental health but with that comes a reality that crap happens and how it happens education and knowledge doesnt hurt blind faith and pity helps no one. The thing I have learned is we really do not know one another very well we think we can trust people but eventualy we all end up in a disappointed or big mistake. Jesus is the life line of security in anything we do. then when the mistake or truth is revealed and the crap is all over once again we do not feel like we are being personaly attacked or hurt by another. It happens I just do not like the attitude some have like it has nothing what so ever with the choices one makes in life. It does. and concerning the cult stuff it is very much a circle , of playing of the devil got me but I work for God. come on Im sick of it. life is quite common for most people , but for some reason being famous or using the victims of a cult for their own gain and means to advance by begging pity and then claiming a new better improved is just plain old sales. it works well tho. I give him that. How do you know it was a bad thing for him ex?

no vickles and all the while being banned for a year he still kept his followers happy by writing in their magazine about his adventures as a tutor for high school kids for the SAT's. no and he never will he isnt suited to be told what to do haha . Im sorry john but haha God bless ya !! Money is NOT a problem hmm. once again... he has faithful followers , including Mark who he hired and who works for him !!! politcaly they have changed their corporate position but at that time it was just beginning to form a board etc.

ONE thing John Lynn has spoken about here on these forums is not being a victim ... trust me trust god trust whoever John Lynn is far from being a victim in anything he has done.

he can retire now they are pulling in enough money and own property now it has been a twenty year ordeal to retire but he will sit pretty Im certain. He is a very smart man and knows how to take care of himself. believe that lol . He knew he was not going to live forever when he recruited Mark and the theisens.. he frankly doesnt want to work forever like the rest of us!! YEPEX! no difference but people seem to think they are magic thinkers without a clue and trust me John and JOHN are business men and this is a business first and foremeost. They realize when they got booted from twi somebody had better start planning something . so they did and they have what they got. I have no issue with it at all just do not make it any different than what it is.. John LYNN owns the company the fact he may not want to work every day is called cake. Money is rolling in they have a president, the partnership program, and from what I here many excited and willing to work for free!!! ya hoo sounds like a plan to me... it has been his whole life and he KNOWS what he is doing . As far as the divorce it is just pathetic I do wonder what happened just curious tho..

not in kansas hahaha what a joke of a acusation on a internet public forum.. John LYNN toured the company while on unemployment after being fired from twi!!! He was fired dear, and talk about angry and bitter hahaha l he lived in the who did what to whom when world . all about people people people . Just like grease spot cafe is today... He recruited followers on that angry bitter stance and many are still loyal to him today no doubt the apple does not fall far from the tree and it just takes scraping them up and throwing it all in another barrel. Misery loves company and he needed a pay check. He saved your LIFEfrom a cult? hahha He still needs ya as much as you need his approval maybe some of those pennies will ADD UP some day ya THINK? regardless at what the people do hmmm? not me not anymore.

for a man that has such "high principles" he sure gets into enough trouble concerning relationships . How well do you know him ? I can clearly say without a doubt John Lynn doesnt give a rats foot about what anyone thinks of him most of the time. He easily can confess his problems because he really doesnt have a whole lot of guilt or shame. Ever read any of the stuff he writes about? He claims to serve a risen Saviour and that is all. hmm. Most clergy twice divorced and involved in a cult and involved in a sex scandal within his own company banned would not even have a job much less a ministry. As he says get real these high priciples you claim he hold seem pretty dam low to me.

wow wwjeasuslaughat what a nice post. I really got upset when I heard about his second divorce. For a minute it was like what Satori wrote about him being able to tell others so clearly but cant see his own plank in the eye. But then I got really sad I really did I said Lord why do any of us have to be so saddened in this life with disappointments? John has had one heck of a deal for a very long time, in many areas of his life, and I also think he is just trying to love another and do the only thing he has ever known. The years of the game plan are showing clearly in John and it is sad to see one so clinging while masking the a bravado of a MOG. I wish him peace.

We want the truth that works for us, not the Heavly Fathers will. If mankind even those called before the foundation chose the truth our story would be over here and Christ would be without His throne of righteousness for all. really.

John is getting older so am I and Im not his enemy. I love his work on earth. But he is only a man ya know , folks need to realize where God is and He isnt within anyone playing the role. We are all just people living a rather sorry state full of sin and heartbreak . Hence the need to know about Jesus christ and HIS mission . I truly believe God works with HELLO SINNERS!! Why do so many forget that when a guy puts on a happy face and is popular with others? John gets no glory, he may want some he wont get any he is not "special' or gifted far above any other . He is just a guy getting older still screwing up his life trying to love the Lord along the way. that is the walk Dmiller THAT is the walk. the rest of the crap you so aodre is frankly his job and how he makes money to keep on living in his zone just like the rest of us.

CES gave them money every month, they sponsor the "leaders" in the Phillipines. In a country with such heavy poverty and need this accounts for much . The letters you read are in DIRECT response to the money being sent!!! CEs also had HEAVY recruitment for its followers to sponsor these guys in the Phillipines and many did and do. Like the way corps sponsors the leaders were required to write to their money base and tell them how wonderful God and his word is working (along with that money rolling in . Recently spirit and truth has decided to stop sending the monthy salarys to their "leaders" or at least cut back the amount. consequently they are now going back to the catholic church ministries for help and not so many letters of glory now! After his first divorce John LYnn loved to travel get out of this country with the pesky Christian eyes watching as he asked for more and more and began his empire. The phillipines is a very filthy country concerning prostitution and sex it is horrid . How many tin can did he fill exactly to go hmm? hmm? Eager to please IM sure. Get to know those locals !!! This man has been busted for sexual issues in this country by his own company, IM sorry I find this so laughable the poor guy has zero control and is so openly revealed . As far as your comment on talking the talk well DMILLER if your speaking of telling the truth I can absolutely assure you if one does they are not very popular. People have NEVER really wanted to know the truth, money softens the blow ALOT esp. WHEN no one is able to hold you accountable for how it is spent. IF your talking the talk of selling a product, or keeping the cult thinkers happy oh yeah John Lynn does do it very well.

He was divorced last May , it was spoken of in their conference in August last year, I read it in their publication they send out . No he was not married very long , poor guy really. Before the divorce he did say he wanted to spend more time to focus on his marriage and his wife. I know he was very sad after his first divorce and this cant help a bit .

Ex10 do you think maybe it might be some of the thinking that we have the truth? I see the attitude in the offshoots of well we know the truth and no one eles really does , because of our inability to succeed in the other group we have the better and now the best and still striving of course to be EVEN better for god. It is an instilled mindset and it is profound or your one link to the offshoot (even tho you do not find the time to listen to them) would be gone. It is co-dependcy. It is feeding off the idea that a person neeeds a stronger more intelligent, more spiritual, more years dealing with God almighty to be really sure your ok and right with the Lord. Ex cult people comfort zone is in the "less than"position in life. If all eles fails you can still say you belong and today with the new colors and rainbows of feel good and sensitive loving procedures it is easier to just give the money and get the trip without alot of the work. For a while depending on how far your co-depency personality traits are invested. Then you either get well or need to get further involved or find another fix to keep you in your illness fed. We were taught for years we had the truth and answers, and we are so much more loved by god for our commintment to it ... it feeds a need , and that need doesnt go away , Unless some really human work is done with God on a very personal level. most do not bother and just go with what makes them feel ok and know in life. hence the off shoot and its need to feed the need.

I also think the railroads will be an easy target. I live in NY a few hours away from the city. When the planes hit the city shut down here , many of the roads in the major city nearby shut for many hours. Hours away from NYC, why? because of the nature of the attack , Pensyvania is only an hour if that way away moments in a plane, when the plane fell in Penn. We shut down because the FBI and Govt building all went into freeze and hide mode or something. traffic out or in to the city was frozen completly. It was scary as heck as no one really knew what was going on other than the sirens and mass confusion and dead lock on the highway OUT of the city. so in the case of a nearby attack all the precaution would mean nothing here as we couldnt move when it was hours away . We have many lakes here that means NUCLEAR sites that means waste every single day is transported across the entire state!!! many of these transports go through major cities and towns every day every hour. feet away from homes and facories where thousands live. CSX is being sued by NY state for its carelessnes towards spills and accidents we have many many killed due to broken switches accidents and failure to put down gates all together. CSX is a private company that transports the waste to approved sites out of state. If a enemy wanted to hit the major railway it would be done very easily and simply and the fact it carries a product that would KILL and maim millions for many miles with one spill is frightening who can prepare for this? some extra water or a loaf of bread would help no one from the months of decay such an incident would bring. I often think of the horror the city must have seen that day and if the mass confusion and terror we had was just a fraction of what they felt or lived through then I doubt few understand how completly they are able to succeed in the action of pure TERROR. Although falling short, NY was and is even better today able to handle such emergencies amass, as it is a major Metro with resources , the other cities and , never got the federal money or resources to pla or prepare. YET we sit just as vulnerable with the Nuclear and the railways and the border of another country, without the millions of plans and resources to avail us in such an attack. My sister lives in the county with a nuclear site and this is how they "prepared" their cititzens, pick up your blue pill on such and such a site if taken within a few minutes of attack it may stop of the horror such an accident for some. but not all by far. the statistics are very very alarming on how many would survive many would just suffer for months for miles around till relief came with death. Now just as much of this crap crosses our rails EVERY SINGLE day what would a spill do to that town or city? hmm? no blue pills there huh ? and how many of these towns and cities have an action plan much less the needed resources to evacuate or medical care for the victims? ? very few. call me what you will but Im convince the acts of these mass murders can not be "prepared" for buy more food if it helps you feel better but I realized how a city mobilizes and it first guards its political interests and that means at the cost of everyday citizens. Our president was in ahole underground for a REASON and such precaution are taken in every town or city in the state when 911 happened.. I feel it is needed but when it happens to your town you will see what I mean when I say terror is real.

Does the dog have worms?

As it with all organized groups, open communication is rare once a control freak wants position. control is about trusting who you should and a good control freak trusts NO one.. but he wants bids for position in the gang that is earned , twi was pure competitition and the faster you could dial the telephone to give the confrontation and "news flash" of another the faster you could be moved up a notch to the inner circle if it was good enough. It was all about people pleasing to gain power and control.

I see many into bible worship as well which is another issue all together. that is pure power and control over another. Can you ask a one year old child to drive the car to the store and pick up a gallon of milk for ya ? no how stupid right? but how about if you said to that child of one year of age he was worthless and to be ashamed because he could not do it ? that he was doomed as a failure in His fathers eye. allowing quicker and more total control of a shattered person. BUT that baby will one day also be able to drive and he will remember the shame and less than feelings you instilled in him when he was not yet grown enough to understand, he was not yet grown enough to fullfill YOUR needs. resentment builds within , and He turns to the real Authority in life that allows him to succeed without any conditions or control in his life, God almighty and the saving grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. hence the fall of an empire.

yes ego, and competittion for academics. when I raised my children they "thought as a child would" . As grown adults they have their own opinons ideals and life styles that belongs to them as individuals , (they no longer have a need to do and say as I the parent would) they "no longer think as a child", under my thoughts and control and responsibility. I was in a sense like God to them when they were children to grow up means to accept the real God as their Father and creator. As christians we are to grow up into what christ set as His only begotten Son.... that means we no longer should be under a teacher or school of thought ( as a child still learning would). Our parent is God the Father, and our teacher is the Lord Jesus christ now, as adults each individual and seperate in the family of God. folks in twi never grew as persons never grew to know Christ as their leader in life because I feel it is so much easier to deal with people when they have to obey and "be meek" , it is easier to say to a child here now you must put on your socks and pants go to school and do this and that because I am responsible for you and you have NO choice! Than to negotiate or feel the work of genuine relationships built on love and respect for one another. Our Father God likes the grown up relationship He has with his creation , he has no need for co-dependacy or ego or power trips , He can meet our needs but frankly most human adults can meet their own needs christian or not , so it is all about trusting HIm and His plan for mankind and worshipping and loving HIM as God with His son Jesus christ. When we minister is it truly about loving that person and the Lord directing the path we all walk in life? or is it some magic performed becasuse we "have the power" our own self and give God almighty the less than position ? now I can truly see how many can be fooled, christians like to think they are special and more powerful than the devil or any mere human being alive, that they are called and "have ministries that enable them to perform special and unique tasks for God. Ego lives in a dream world of tasks completed. But in the end it is God wh has performed from the very beginning to save His own dream of having a family and the ONLY one capable of completing a task well done is Jesus christ! If we are so able to defeat the devil HELLO what are we still doing here on earth then? we have zero pwoer against evil forces and that is why we can call on the HOLY name of Jesus christ to get the job done. But we are not children we are not told what to do by God as a dictator who takes responsibility and control for us we are to be adults and make our own choices no matter how much our Father may groan and cry over what we chose to do in life. He will always keep our home safe and a place to go to when we learn as Jesus guides our direction and we decide maybe He did do it right for all of us and truly thank God for it.

Im fortunate I had never taken my kids to the ER. ever. yes they did break bones and get stitches from time to time, The dr. here take care of such in their offices without the hefty bill of a hospital. We also have offices called "urgent care " that deal with most after hour emergencies here. I was lucky my dr. for the kids was open twenty four hours a day. The hospital would not see a person for a broken arm here for at least 8 hours, if that, mostly they would refer you to the dr. the next morning . the urgent care facilities have x rays and can set as well. but it is a private dr's office. only a fraction of what a emergency vist would be, my son just went and got four stitches cost him 700 bucks at the hospital, 45 at urgent care big difference. Besides I do not trust the dr. in the hospital they are really just learning and only want the "fun huge emergencies. the hospital are for real emergenices like car accidents ,heart attacks , babies etc here. medical concerns are billed very heavy and made to wait for hours if not untill the next day. We have codes here where the hospital will not accept anything but extreme emergenices quite often as well. They turn the ambulance away altogether if they think it can wait and a broken arm would be able to be referred to urgent care or next day. I care about my kids to ex, hard heart? please give me a break .

ex they will not keep her in the hospital for a broken wrist! rushed?? I mean it may need to be set but really it isnt a serious emergency here we just take them to the doctors for x rays and then they set it. she can sommunicate her husbands needs is he insane or something and unable to help himself?

As far as safe food a diabetic can eat any food. they just have to watch the levels of sugar and take the insulin if needed. a calorie rich food such as a cookie or brownie would cause his sugar levels to rise fast leaving him hungry for more food. less sugar laden items, soup sandwhichs, pretzels, fruit natural or in natural syrup. He probably know how much he is allowed with his insulin amount . do not worry. it can be controled with his insulin, but stress such as having your wife in the hospital can also play havoc with your system and is much more difficult to control and may disturb his "levels' as well. If he forgets to check his sugar or eat while trying to cope he can run into trouble. Remind him if he is under stress if you realize it has been a number of hours since he has ate if possible to keep his sugar levels normal and in range.