Nathan_Jr

Wow. Thank you, Waysider for sticking around all these years to help pull back the curtain and stand for Truth. And for humor. Seriously, thank you. It can’t be overstated how important GSC is.

Wow. Fresh word salad for sale. Pure bull$hit. This is astonishingly funny. Thanks for pointing out this distinction. Who can keep up with this spider monkey with rickets doctrine? One who manifests the law of believing through believing faith which is distinctively different yet not the same as operating the manifestation of believing? Which one would I use to get a parking space? Which one would I use around Easter or Pentecost to bring about Christ's return? (I was actually exhorted to do this very type of believing, but isn't that God's business?) Which AC syllabus? '71 or '79?

Is that the verb open? Or the adjective open? "Open the doors of service" or "The open doors of service." These types of distinctions matter. One might have thought they'd learnt that in the original class. *I'll move out of the way*

No, no, no, no... nothing but confusion can come from this old man thinking. The keys are no longer used to interpret - that was already accomplished, literally, according to usage. The KEYS are to Biblical research. Because the door to God's word is locked, like the box, the lock box. There are many keys to Biblical research that will unlock the door to the accuracy of God’s Word, such as learning about Eastern manners and customs, identifying and understanding figures of speech, and knowing how to find the accuracy of the Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic texts. Whoever wrote the copy for this website is a journeyman of the non sequitur. Close to, but nearly not quite, the level of BS mastery set forth by vic paul.

Yeah, this one jumped out like Johnny for me: "our believing faith" WTAF is believing faith? Faith is still considered a curse word by those teaching the original class. I was desperately corrected on this. "Believing is what we do, faith is what we have." I was "taught" we only HAVE but a measure of Jesus's faith. It's the faith OF Jesus's Christ, not faith IN Jesus Christ. It's the subjective/objective genitive debate. It's a traditional theological doctrinal distinction that goes back to "Bible times." I had to find out about this subjective/objective genitive issue through my own research. This was never "taught." One might be inclined to expect victor to teach this type of nuanced grammar, since it seemed obvious the genitive case was his favorite.

Right. Apple autocorrect. Kinda like auto reproof, but not.

Four crucified is conspicuously absent from these statements of belief. I was "taught" in the original denial of the four crucified was tantamount to denying the existence of God.

The Virgin Mary is important to set up Jesus as a bastard Jew. But I remember vic paul making a big deal about "virgin" being an inaccurate translation of young woman from the Hebrew. The point was so belabored, that I never thought TWI believed Mary was a virgin. God's seed for baby Jesus, sure, yet bastard Jew nonetheless. You can't go beyond what you were taught. WE is the nominative case.

"4. We believe that Adam was created in the image of God, spiritually; that he sinned and thereby brought upon himself immediate spiritual death, which is separation from God, and physical death later, which is the consequence of sin; and that all human beings are born with a sinful nature." They've made some significant changes. Physical death is no longer a consequence of unbelief brought on by fatigue. Now it's a consequence of sin. Or is that a distinction without a difference, distinctly separate, yet completely full of prepositions? Hold my spoon...

I didn't decide nor judge. The word tree is not that. I'm not naming it the tree, I'm just observing what is. At least that's what I try to do. Can I look without judging, labeling, forming an image about it and just see it for what it is? A risk of looking for and finding symbols in everything is not seeing what actually is.

Yeah, "contrived" is unnecessary, superfluous. A remnant from the wierwille parody. Just mark it out. There are symbols everywhere. But the symbols are not that. As discussed in another thread, language is symbol. And that's fine and obvious. But symbol isn't everything. The word "tree" is not the tree. Perhaps that is what I'm describing. Which form of the father the father told Abraham to kill his son and then sent an angel to say never mind kill that ram instead? I'm sure it's evident, but this story troubles me. Maybe I just don't understand it.

The Self. I sacrifice myself for my son, but I wouldn't offer my son as a sacrifice to any religious or political ideology. The Bible doesn't bother me at all. As with all Myth I find it fascinating, informative and inspiring on many levels in many ways. It's man's contrived interpretation of it as a way to justify control, obedience and guilt that I find disgusting.

Narcissists view any disagreement with them as abusive. Ignoring or not fulfilling their desire for supply is hurtful to the image they've constructed for themselves. The narcissist's perceived hurt justifies their martyrdom, making those who are actually abused into the guilty abusers. And so the cycle continues. This destructive behavior must not be excused because they are damaged. Human child sacrifice as a burnt offering for the season, the harvest, the war, the disease is a natural occurrence? Ok.

Obviously, any system can be corrupted. Isn't religion made up and developed as an attempt to explain the unexplainable. It isn't intended to harm, but it often does in spite of itself. This entire site is witness to that. Victor and his minion harmed many in the name of God. The harm and destruction persist today far from New Knoxville one family at a time. The doctrines of original sin and vicarious redemption were systematically developed over time. Human child sacrifice is one of the oldest, longest running religious practices, older than developed systematic Christian theology. Who came up with these ideas? Who invented them? God or man?

Yes. I do. Wow. I didn't mean to come off as insensitive, but I see that's what it looks like. Or that's what it is. Though, that's not who I am. "Religion make otherwise good people do and say wicked things." So can resentment and anger. This site is about a religious cult I was making a point about religion and theology and also parodying victor. Claiming to know what God wants, or that God wants, is a way cults and charlatans have manipulated earnest seekers of God for thousands of years. There are better threads to make that point

I'm afraid if I wait until the end of the class, I'll be too tired, and when I get tired, I stop believing, and we all know what will happen then - I'll just stop being alive, kinda like the dead. You know, not living, because of fatigue related unbelief.

What fun! Though, my brain is slightly bruised now. I remember this episode. It's a lot of fun listening to Neil deGrasse Tyson, and he himself agrees. He's a good teacher, and I'm sure he agrees with that, too. Does any of this affect victor's dating of Jesus' birth or death?

You mean petal, right, Stayed? To which god, I wonder, did this obit refer? What could God possibly need or want? What is God lacking? I thought the dead were not alive anymore because they were too weary to believe. I wonder if that child just got too tired and stopped believing. Isn't this how vic would cop it out? Of course, he is the authority. And the proof is in the engraving.

This, it seems to me, can be a healthy way to view narrative. It requires awareness and attention not to get caught in the net of narrative. Yet narrative is everywhere. For example, I've read The NY Times AND The Wall Street Journal every day for over twenty years. It's fascinating to see the same story framed through diametrically opposed narratives. I listen to both spiritually-minded and atheistic podcasts. Toys, indeed. And both narratives are designed to persuade one to BELIEVE they alone have the truth.

"Narratives operate at three levels in parallel: the individual, the institution and the social unit. By understanding this and crafting narratives that operate at all three levels, it is possible to amplify impact." - From the Tweet about Hagel's presentation. Sure, tribes have had stories and narratives for 100,000 years in an effort to explain the unexplainable, to offer meaning, to entertain, to persuade.... Narrative can certainly bring order. The Taliban achieve bonding and order through its narrative. That is one of the results of narrative. One of the main purposes of narrative, according to this article, is persuasion.

This is important to understand. Joseph Campbell is an excellent pointer for this idea. Thanks, Rocky. Your contributions are always meaningful and contemplative, at least for me. This is all so important so understand. It seems to me awareness that narratives are crafted to develop meaning is important. One might (ought to) ask: Whose narrative? Is there an agenda? What images of ourselves and others must we create to accept or advance a narrative? Why are we creating these images? Do we have freedom of mind to look at ourselves and to see that we are conditioned, programmed, indoctrinated? Narrative can be a useful device. It can also manufacture and advance error. Can we first just observe before BELIEVING?

Remnant? Really? I understand it has a religious usage, but is the connotation positive or negative for Loy? Lees is a possible synonym. If you know anything about fermentation and wine making, the lees are a sediment comprised almost entirely of spent (dead) yeast cells. Also, residue.

It seems to me he sold lies to bolster his power. A distinction. BELIEF in the lies legitimized the power, resulting in a counterfeit authority. To your point, belief is the currency. And the accusative case when crossing out just won't do.

Alliteration. The secret code to the collaterals. It's a figure.

Works FOR Deadpool? That preposition is more accurately translated AGAINST. Hey, I didn't write the book, but I will change it if it fits my man made...what? (Bracelet!) Bracelet. That's right. I'll change it to fit my man made bracelet.