Nathan_Jr

This! When the veil is lifted, what you will see cannot be unseen. This seeing is clarity of perception. But another cannot see it for you. Another's claimed light is not the light that will illuminate. This clarity of perception cannot be taught. No amount of teaching can SEE the Truth for you. You can only see it for yourself. You either see it, or you don't.... until you do.... no one can see it for you. When one sees the Truth, one realizes it is nothing to be possessed. Beware the one claiming to HAVE the Truth, for he surely does not.

Dominate, Obey, Commit, Command, Indoctrinate, Program, Persuade, Conform, Submit to the hireling....Defecate in the mouth of God and call it moving the word...

As usual, this makes me laugh out loud, but it also make me sad and angry because I know it's true. Members of AA receive chips as they achieve milestones in their sobriety: 30 days, 90 days, 6 months... Often, by the one year mark, the addict has achieved deep humility and gratitude, sublime clarity of thought, and a certain level of divine awareness and perception. Every sober addict will humbly tell you (only if probed) that it's because of God. But they have nothing to sell, nothing to prevail with, nothing to teach/preach, yet their abundant life is obvious and will share if asked. My Corps-trained fellowship leader went WOW in RI in the late 70's or early 80's. He said they couldn't sell one class all year because everyone in that city was an assh@le. Not that there could possibly be something wrong with how (H-O-W) he himself was selling! No humility. No examination of the self. No examination of the tactics or strategy. No examination of the product. I once worked in sales for a Fortune 100 company for over ten years. I would never have been successful if I used the cop out, "The buyers are all assh@les, so I won't hit my goal this month." I would have been fired.

Can you link the article? It seems a $5 fee is required to read it. (Apparently, God's word is not freely given.) I refuse to give another dime to this corporation. Is WOW based on Mark 6:15?

Was this an actual quote? It makes sense, even if T7TMOG never said it. HOWEVER, I thought the Word was the Will and the Will was the Word? BUT, it's the Ministry that's the Word? The Ministry, the Ministry, and nothing but the Ministry. This is what it's all about. The ministry, the corporation, the 501c3.

Perfect. Thanks.

My man in Amsterdam! Thanks, T-Bone. Philippians 2:6? Maybe this verse is handled in a different chapter, but it seems relevant here, even important. It's from one of the undisputed letters of the Pauline corpus speaking to the divine nature of Christ. Victor placed Paul way above Christ, so it seems he would address what Paul wrote about this issue. Thanks, again, T!

Right. If I had a copy of the book, I'd definitely do the research myself. I don't own any of his books.

Ok. Thanks. Someone knows. I'll wait. The title of victor's book was calculated to garner attention, foster controversy and cause division. In that sense, it was without error. Though vic claimed accuracy, attention and reverence were all he cared about (along with the three P's). We will have to agree to disagree about vic's book: it was less than ok.

Thank you very much, Mark. Actually, my question was what are the four verses vic refers to where Jesus is called God. I'm really asking about victor, what he wrote, what he meant. There may be more or less than four; there may be none, as you say -- not my question. What were the verses victor had in mind when he made the assertion? That's the question. I hope that's clear. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks, again.

Thanks, Mark. Do you know the four verses vic refers to where Jesus is called God? Which Bible software do you use? Is it Logos? And which interlinear do you use?

What are those four verses? What did God mean when he wrote those verses? Was God lying? Joking? Was he just tired from all the writing and made some simple mistakes? Does God mean what he writes and write what he means? (Thank God for math and statistical probability lest the whole thing fall apart from Genesis to The Apocalypse of John of Patmos.)

I understand how implicit bias is influenced by culture. I get it. I don't think my SIL studied CRT, she was likely regurgitating something she heard, but missed the nuance and complexity in her rush to sound smart, as a dilettante would. Though she said I was born racist, CRT may say, I was born into a racist culture and I can't avoid developing implicit racist bias? Ok. Wow. That's a very fine distinction without much difference! But I'm not denying implicit bias. I'm denying being born biased or born sinful. These are not natural states, they are conditioned states. Implicit bias is part of our conditioning, programming, indoctrination. We aren't even aware of it. It's socio-cultural conditioning. It's subtle. Like cult indoctrination. Us vs. them evolves or us vs. the empties....bias against everyone while preaching agape.....the cult(ure)....it's reflexive.

Does Nordell get into Critical Race Theory? Isn't implicit bias foundational to the theory? My beloved sister-in-law, who self identifies as "progressive liberal," explained that our implicit racial bias is something we are born with. (Or born into?) She tried to tell me I was born racist because I was born a white, middle class, American male. This immediately triggered a trauma response rooted in the cult telling me I was born in sin and I don't deserve grace so I should be thankful to T7TMOG for teaching me. I reject as not only false, but evil, the claim that anyone is BORN with implicit bias or born in sin. Guilty before you can utter your first word? No way! Get thee hence! This notion of being born in sin (or with implicit bias) is about control. It's a gaslighting guilt trip ploy. It's wicked. But it's necessary leverage for both the religious and political cult.

Yep. Sorry. I see that now. Of course.

As you know, it goes back millennia to Ancient Greece.

Thanks, Rocky. I was expecting something like this from you. I have wondered. It seems to me victor and Loy exhibited explicit bias against, well, everything true. The youth trained up and taught up as to how (H-O-W) unknowingly developed implicit bias aligned with Vic's malignant explicit bias. My father-in-law, who revered vic because his brother was Corps, openly acknowledged his bias. Not in a free and truthful way, but with diligent effort to only read material that confirmed four crucified, a flat earth, T7MOG, and the myth of the myth of six million. He only watched one "news" channel. He could see his bias, but he BELEEEVED his bias was accurate, correct. He smugly championed his bias. And he felt justified because of what he BELEEEVED about the 1942 promise and T7TMOG. A nice man, but blind. To be aware. To be divinely, sublimely aware. Impossible while clinging to bias. Can we simply pay attention to our bias? Can we observe ourselves freely? Can we know ourselves? Truly. Can we truly, completely know ourselves? Find out.

So, is it mathematical exactness or is it mathematical probability? victor, it seems, will change his methodology to fit his doctrinal whimsy. He will shamelessly contradict himself to make it fit his opinion. This is the real liability.

This.

So the word of God is reduced to statistical probabilities? This logic is born of in depth spiritual awareness and perception? This is how one "rightly divides the word of truth" -- statistical probability!? This is how one separates truth from error? Or, are these four verses not in the original? Growing up in a Christian household, I was never taught that Jesus was God. It seemed obvious that he was not, based on what Jesus himself said about himself, and It just wasn't an issue. There was NEVER talk about what others believed as "wrong." We didn't proselytize or evangelize. And no one desperately tried to prove a negative. Only humble affirmation of Truth. Again, it just was not an issue anyone desired to create, make or form. I remember gasping in awe at how immature (spiritually/intellectually/linguistically) the writing of JCING was. I read about half of it before deciding not to waste any more time on such drivel. And I never even believed Jesus to be God! I was embarrassed for victor and for those thinking he was an enlightened glove-fitter.

Thanks, T-Bone. I always appreciate your thoroughness and willingness to endeavor an answer. This is among the most profoundly prescient sentences I've ever read anywhere about anything. Holy F*cking Sh!t. Damn, T-Bone... just... damn....

T-Bone, will you please point me to the "soul-life" verse in the Bible? I've searched the term in various forms through two different concordance tools with no results. I'm probably just spelling it incorrectly or something simple like that.

It’s so important to be able to perceive this. This awareness leads to knowledge and understanding on a cosmic scale. Just for the record...What the preacher teaches is not real. There are preacher-teachers that can recreate, change, produce things that look authentic...like a wolf clothed as a sheep. More now than ever, don't believe everything you see, read or hear.

Soul-life is from blood? Didn't vic "teach" in PFAL that soul-life came from God breathing it into Adam? So, soul-life begins when a baby takes its first breath, not before. This logic provided the cop out vic needed to force those girls to abort his babies. Right? The babies weren't breathing in the womb, hence, no soul-life = abortion of victor's rape babies were A-OK because a fetus doesn't have a soul-life. Maybe I'm misremembering. All the bull$hit gets confusing. I'm probably trying to fit the left-handed glove on the right hand.

Right, Twinky! Huh?!?! is exactly right. So, it's a blessing of abundance that allows us to be the answer to division? Which division? The one inside or outside the church? And what kind of abundance? Just piles and piles of odorous excrement.