Nathan_Jr

Well, exactly, lest it all fall to pieces. Let me quote VPW. This should clear up the confusion: "Now Satan could have kids by the barrel-full because all he had to do is possess them. But God can't have any children until they what? Believe. Like today, God can't have a child until somebody believes. Wait until we get into the discerning of spirit field then all this stuff will take on a ten million times bigger color." Isn't that just a tremendous record! if Victor had been given an enema, he could have been buried in a match box.

Victor would say: Believing is what you do, faith is what you have. Mmmmm..meh... kinda... but this is too facile. His pithy maxims are part of the sleight of hand. A simple dictionary definition: belief is an acceptance that something is real or true. Most languages only have one word for belief/faith. Greek has only one, pistis. English has two. I like the distinction that belief is a clinging to, a clutching, but faith is a letting go, a surrender. (I may have heard that from Alan Watts.) For me, it's an informative and helpful distinction. Something to contemplate. In order to be hurt by a lie, one must first BELIEVE that lie to be true. A lie REQUIRES belief to survive. Something else to contemplate. The North Koreans and Chinese BELIEVE their leaders are gods. All conditioning is belief. Not all belief is problematic, obviously. Most is innocuous, but for me it's important to be aware of what and why I believe anything. To simply pay attention. But a mind must be free in order to pay attention, to see clearly. These people are not free. My heart breaks for them and the those caught in their orbit.

Ask Mike, or my fellowship leader, I'm sure they would disagree.

China or North Korea? North Korea is the most isolated nation state on the planet. China may be "cultish," but North Korea is a cult. The ruling family, the Kims, are treated like gods. Literally, they are viewed as divine, by free will force.

Right. The defining characteristics have little to do with dogmatic beliefs. In just the last few years, them have been some excellent threads here diving deep into cult structure and behavior. And though a search of Scientology will yield results, I'm not sure enough has been said about how VPW even plagiarized L. Ron Hubbard's tactics. They were contemporaries. LRH had his Sea Org, VPW had his Corps. LRH was a brutal master of m&a. The classes and levels and always something new to purchase - required and mandated, but through cheerful free will choice. The lock box... on and on. All cults operate the same. Dogmatic beliefs, whether spaceships or devil seed, are merely incidental The stupidity of belief does not a cult make; it's that the cult can convince people these beliefs are sound - through isolation and control.

The genitive case? When you know that sickness is available, and you know how (H-O-W) to get sick, you must laugh - that's what to do with it once you've got it, laugh. Now, does laughter interpret the sickness or does the hiding interpret itself? Pretty straightforward like a wedge. Or a glove.

Yep. All cults and cult followers must isolate. A wedge. Even in the original. Lambano that isolation. Mug Maggie. Force that sharing.

This is a typical strategy of NPDs: Create distance and eventually isolate the victim from friends and family. Going so far as gaslighting the victim to BELIEVE that their friends were never true friends or even real friends, they were counterfeits - the result is no friends nor family for the victim. (I have no friends when it comes to the word = your friends were never really your friends. This is a lie propagated from devil seed.) Yes, In a way, no contact is as if someone is dead to you, because one must come to the understanding that the NPD is dead inside. The NPD's greatest fear is being exposed. In other words, the NPD is afraid of the Truth. And, as pointed out before, what does the NPD hate more than anything? Herself. She hates the truth of herself. Yes, the purpose of ostracism is to KILL, to make life dead. The purpose of no contact with a NPD is to SAVE one's life, to survive, to thrive, to see the Truth. I think from a superficial, semantic perspective, it appears that they are two sides of the same coin. The distinction seems subtle and nuanced, because it is, but it's still a clear distinction. One can't kill the NPD through no contact, one can only save one's self - the NPD will destroy itself. The clear distinction is important so the victim doesn't self-deceive into the trap of guilt for killing. The victim must see this distinction as life SAVING. No contact, in the context of NPDs like VPW, is NOT the same as ostracism, not even close, not in anyway. Prepositions, ya know....and condescensio.... even semicolons...even hook shots.... then, Then, THEN...

The context is lots of things, see? It's so simple, if you work it. It's Pete throwing snowballs, It's Maggie jumping on Johnny. It's lots of things, really. If you can't do it the right way, you ought to try it VP's way. It's AVAILABLE. Like this rotten corpse. No one said you had to eat of it under the glow of red candles. That's right! No one said you had to. It's your free will choice to do as ol' VP will fool well please. Alliteration. Even assonance. Bless your little hearts.

Sanctions against Russia? Or against 18th century French cemeteries? I need to understand the CONTEXT of your question so I may know how to answer, with either obfuscation or deflection. The context is critical to self interpreting a pronoun.

Well, if that just isn't what to do with it once you've got it, I'll jump up on Johnny! Bless your little hearts... the original, you know... to/for.... interpretations and all that...

Not the same thing. "No contact" is, as you point out, a means to establish boundaries with the NPD. It's an essential tactic for survival - literally deployed to SAVE one's life. The NPD deploys the tactics of ostracism, silent treatment and m&a in order to KILL and DESTROY. But if one must MAKE it fit...well, there's a glove for that.

Thank you, Rocky. So, it's a manufactured device designed to cover the floors with eggshells. A completely contrived wicked doctrine designed to cast a pall of fear and keep everyone in line, committed, obsequious. It's an invented, sinister tool for abuse. This is both disappointing and expected news. Sorry to beat a dead horse, but its rotting carcass has contaminated a well from which people still drink.

I know all of this is true. I know the abuse is real. I know what is available: devil seed rebirth. wedges. permanence but I don't know how to get it or what to do with it once you've got it. please.

I've downloaded hundreds of pages of transcripts of Corps teachings and Advanced Classes '71/'79 from Archive.org. Also downloaded dozens of hours of CFS video. But the unforgivable sin teaching is conspicuously missing. There are files with the title, but all content has been redacted. I'm fascinated. I'll just beleeeve for someone to come through with more details.

And, of course, it did. Proverbs 6:12-18 sound like descriptions of VPW and LCM.

Who created the wedge? What are the chapters and verses supporting this? Any real life examples of people with devil wedges? This is fascinating and hilarious. I've always heard this and been personally gaslighted with it, but no one (with distinction) has ever explained how or provided scriptural evidence.

Thanks Waysider. I've read/heard that before, but it seems completely incomplete. How do you get born again of devil seed? How H-O-W? Can you get this devil seed even if you are born again of Holy Spirit? What are the scripture proof texts? Serious questions, even though I can barely see to type through these tears of laughter.

THIS. The eggshells. This is exactly what NPDs make you do - walk on eggshells all the time. All nine eggshells all the time. When I defended with no condemnation, completely complete, super-conqueror, I was met with rage and fury. Hypocrisy and contempt. Hell hath no fury like a dogmatic doctrine full of holes.

Really? All devil spirit access all the time? Maybe Mike can define it according to usage. Mike, what is the unforgivable sin according to victor?

"The stronger believer has a more renewed mind." Here the renewed mind is a conditioned mind shackled (strengthened) by belief. Not a free mind, but a programmed mind. The lie requires belief to wield any power or influence; but Truth requires no belief.. How did he define the unforgivable sin? What is the DTA class?

Concise and well said TBone. It's a fair reinterpretation. It's so subtle, but this is how the thief operates. In a diligent effort to make me obedient and renew my mind for me, I was taught, admonished with the same logic: imitate vic because Vic>Paul>Christ>God or Victor reveals Paul; Paul reveals Christ; Christ reveals God; therefore, victor reveals God. As absurd as this sounds, I still have the messages as proof. This sinister deception is real.

He can't teach Christian character because it's a hand too righteous to fit in his little withered glove. So much is revealed on every single page of this 200 page transcript. Victor HATES questions because he's afraid of being exposed. Those who are apt to teach are not afraid of questions. He reacts by deflecting and inventing and by offering word salad. So much bull$hit. It may be challenging for some to hear the obvious deception when listening to tapes, but to read it written on the page, it's glaringly obvious. His narcissism compelled him to record and transcribe everything. But by doing this, he got too far out over his skis, as someone so insightfully once said on this forum. Thank God for GSC.

In the Corps teaching on Romas in 1973 Loy Craig asks vic about this. I'm not sure if Craig is trying to justify victor or himself, but the exchange is revealing, in spite of victor's cryptic answer. And you can see vic getting annoyed with Craig for pressing him.

But the Constitution is a self-interpreting document from which we get righteous instruction for making three-fingered gloves for those completely incomplete people. Gloves for all without exception. It's so simple, if you just work it. Three-fingered hands fit perfectly in three-fingered gloves. Bless your little hearts. I wish you could read it in the original.