Some of my new article for the book which I will write completely and then publish with help from a publisher.

Next we have more symbolic language of those who wash their robes. This shows that those who change from bad to good through Jesus Christ will be able to go through the gates into the city. However, outside of what he thought as the New Jerusalem John still saw those who were bad with him comparing them to dogs. Dogs are seen favorably today, but during the first century before dogs were trained to be good, dogs were symbolically seen as bad. However, just like dogs have been trained today to be good in nations like the United States. In the future under Jesus Christ more and more of humanity will be retrained to be good and followers of Christ. Then and only then they will be able to enter in through the gates into the city, that represents the savior Jesus Christ.

Revelation 22:14-15
14 "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. 
NIV

Revelation 22:14-15
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
KJV
 

1 Corinthians 13:12

12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror;..

NIV

Our doctrinal and spiritual views are sometimes only a reflection of our mindset. This is the equivalent of looking in a mirror and basing our doctrinal views on what we see or a reflection of our mindset.  For example, if we have hatred for others, then we could see God also as at least sometimes hateful. This is especially seen with some people believing in eternal torment for those who did not believe and follow Jesus Christ in their earthly lives. This is sometimes believed with the figurative and not literal “lake of fire” which according to the end of the book of Revelation some people or the dead will get placed inside of after the second resurrection.

2 hours ago, TLC said:

Rob Bell skirts the issue better than you. But, evidently neither of you care to address the issue head on. 

Feel free to keep covering your eyes after asking a question and getting an answer from actual quoted scriptures.

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Philippians 2:9-11
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 
NIV
 

1 hour ago, TLC said:

Mark, do you advocate universal salvation? 

The word universal is sometimes seen as a negative word. However, the biblical words fire,  reconciliation and judgement do not need to be negative. John the writer of the book of Revelation saw judged and judgment for humanity, but he did not see the final outcome. He instead used figurative symbols in this book of Revelation, for example 12 gates, with Christ like followers on the inside.

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Revelation 21:25-27

25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

NIV

The Lamb’s book of life represents Jesus Christ and those who follow him. Only good or pure will enter into this. Next we have verses which show the free will of humanity. The choice being given to humanity of doing good or not doing good. In a favorable way, I see this as the followers of Jesus Christ being fully persuaded in heart to follow Jesus Christ. This is through the gift of Holy Spirit and the new spiritual body patterned after the Lord’s resurrected body that his followers will receive when he returns from heaven. Or as 1 Corinthians 15: 49 says, “so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven”, who is Jesus Christ.  For an explanation of this see 1 Corinthians chapter 15.

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Revelations 22:10-11

10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. 11 Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”

NIV

Next we have more symbolic language of those who wash their robes. This shows that those who change from bad to good through Jesus Christ will be able to go through the gates into the city. However, outside of what he thought as the New Jerusalem John still saw those who were bad with him comparing them to dogs. Dogs are seen favorably today, but during the first century before dogs were trained to be good, dogs were symbolically seen as bad. However, just like dogs have been trained today to be good in nations like the United States. In the future under Jesus Christ more and more of humanity will be retrained to be good and followers of Christ. 

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Revelation 22:14-15

14 "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

NIV

What John saw was the free will ability to do good or not do good. However, Paul who made a very large change from being hateful while being one of the main persecutors of the followers of Jesus Christ to being the main and #1 teacher of the New Testament saw more than John. He saw the change that Jesus Christ could make with all of sinful mankind.  Here are some of the scriptures that Paul wrote showing all of humanity under Jesus Christ.

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Romans 14:10-11

10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

KJV

Ephesians 1:10

10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

KJV

On 10/12/2019 at 12:13 AM, WordWolf said:

I thought the context of the original post made it clear that I was trying to articulate different PHILOSOPHICAL POSITIONS.  

This is how I read your posts when you started this thread with a number of posts. And regarding the Philosophical Positions which we have today and which Wordwolf wrote about. What I see as the most hateful and not loving is eternal torment for a lifetime of so called sin. Since one of the primary teachings in the bible is that God the creator is a God of love. Would God raise someone from the dead to only torture them? For example, a child that dies from cancer or a family car accident before the age of five and was never even introduced to Jesus Christ. From a Christian philosophical perspective should that child be raised from the dead only to torture the child? At least I see that philosophy as crazy and hateful. Fortunately I do not see any crazy and hateful people on this thread. Fortunately,, my view of Christianity is a God of love and this is especially seen with his Son Jesus Christ who gave his life for humanity. 

Certainly this is the most difficult and challenging subject in the bible in large part because with the book of Revelation using symbols to show the future ages, it was written with symbolic and not literal text. This has caused differences of opinion and sometimes even divisions within the body of Christ as WordWolf has pointed out. All followers of Jesus Christ however, should at least see that Jesus Christ is the first to be risen from the dead to live eternally and that we all need Jesus Christ to be raised from the dead in the future. Either that or they believe in another god similar to ancient Greek and Roman mythology. 

In contrast to the symbolic and not literal writings of the book of Revelation. Paul's writings are much clearer in content.

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1 Corinthians 15:20-28

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. 
NIV
 

Interesting Wordwolf to start another thread for comments on this subject. We know some things, but not all things today in our lifetimes in this age that we live in now. The very knowledgeable Apostle Paul points this out towards the end of 1 Corinthians chapter 13. We now know only in part and will only know fully when we see Jesus Christ face to face.

4 minutes ago, socks said:

For my part - I don't mind if you Mark or anyone wants to take this off into whatever areas you see of importance in it to you, but I'd expect that there is some tie in to Bell's book, Love Wins and that you can point out where and what that is, not ask one of us to validate it in the book for you. 

So Mark if you ask if what you're writing is in Bell's book, I would ask you to say where and to what point are you responding - in other words, don't ask Rocky to tell you if you're consistent with the book, point out yourself the point and place in Bell's book that you're commenting on and state your business in a way that we can actually understand both the connection, and the meaning.  

Otherwise it does seem like you're just tagging on your material to the topic without interest in Rob Bell's book, "Love Wins", which is where this started. 

 

if you want to call it tagging that is your choice. I do not have a copy of the book you are mentioning to comment on after reading it. Instead I have many other books to read on this subject and yes that also includes actual biblical versions. My question is to those who have a copy of this book and have read it. Does this author ever mention scriptures from the book of Revelation to state his views? For example, the last three chapters, of the book of Revelation, chapters 20-22.

6 hours ago, Rocky said:

Not as interesting as it would be if it was on topic, namely Rob Bell's book.

Curious now, but does Rob Bell deal with the content of the book of Revelation? Especially the last chapters? With all the figurative language in this book, this can be challenging.

I am writing a new article on the subject of ends times through Jesus Christ. Some of this article deals with the very symbolic book of Revelation. Here is some of the content. Is this interesting to you? 

Regarding the unjust also being reconciled and at peace with God through Jesus Christ. The writer of the book of Revelation, named John got a vision of a “new heaven and a new earth” as stated in Revelation 21:1.  This was very favorably seen. Since the writer was likely an Israelite named John, he saw this as the New Jerusalem, which to the Israelites was a very favorable place since for a number of years it was the political and religious capital city of their nation. John also got visions of twelve gates around Jerusalem as stated in Revelation 21:12-13. He also saw foundations of the twelve gates made of precious earthly stones or minerals. From verse 13 to 24 he had symbolic visions which looked very good.  These were gates, which people outside the gates could enter into. Otherwise they would have been seen as brick walls around Jerusalem to keep everyone not inside the gates permanently out of the new visional and symbolic Jerusalem. This shows good on the inside of the gates and not good on the outside of the gates. 

Revelation 21:25-27
25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life. 
NIV

The question is what is the “Lamb’s book of life” and who is part of this? The Lamb’s book of life represents Jesus Christ and those who follow him. Only good or pure will enter into this. Next we have verses which show the free will of humanity. The choice being given to humanity of doing good or not doing good. In a favorable way, I see this as the followers of Jesus Christ being fully persuaded in heart to follow Jesus Christ. This is through the gift of Holy Spirit and the new spiritual body patterned after the Lord’s resurrected body that his followers will receive when he returns from heaven. Or as 1 Corinthians 15: 49 says, “so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven”, who is Jesus Christ.  For an explanation of this see 1 Corinthians chapter 15.

Revelation 22:10-11
10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
KJV

Next we have more symbolic language of those who wash their robes. This shows that those who change from bad to good through Jesus Christ will be able to go through the gates into the city. However, outside of what he thought as the New Jerusalem John still saw those who were bad with him comparing them to dogs. Dogs are seen favorably today, but during the first century before dogs were trained to be good, dogs were symbolically seen as bad. However, just like dogs have been trained today to be good in nations like the United States. In the future under Jesus Christ more and more of humanity will be retrained to be good and followers of Christ. 

Revelation 22:14-15
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
KJV

The final outcome was not seen by John the writer of the book of Revelation. What John saw was the free will ability to do good or not to do good. 

Hope Beyond Hell The Righteous Purpose of God's Judgment

Here is a book that I have read that was written by a dentist from Texas. Yes, it is OK to have worked as a dentist and written a biblical book. As an example, Luke the biblical writer of the book of Acts and Gospel of Luke was a physician or doctor and not an apostle. 

https://www.amazon.com/Hope-Beyond-Righteous-Purpose-Judgment-ebook/dp/B001T4Z81C/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Hope+Beyond+Hell&qid=1569788663&s=books&sr=1-1

The content of this book relates to the book read by Rocky.

The Myths of Hell

“Sheowl” in the Old Testament was not seen as eternal torment. It was seen as the grave of death or an unseen burial. Using the King James Version the Hebrew word “sheowl” is translated as “the grave” 31 times. It is also translated as “hell” 31 times and “the pit” 4 times. In all usages in looking at the context this can be seen as the grave or a word describing the state of death. And “the grave” is the primary translation of other biblical versions. For example, the New International Version (NIV) does not have any usages of the word “hell” in the entire Old Testament. It almost always translates “sheowl” as “the grave”. Of the 66 usages for “sheowl”, 62 are translated as “the grave” in the NIV. One usage is translated as “dead” from Deuteronomy 32:22. One usage as “the depth below” from Job 11:8. One usage as “of the realm of the dead” from Job 26:6. One usage is translated as “death” from Proverbs 15:11.

2 hours ago, Rocky said:

Mark, didn't you already post a link to your website where you had previously posted this?

Are you reading Love Wins and then commenting on it? Or are you reading comments on this thread and figuring out how your already posted research might relate to it?

I am reading comments on this thread and providing my biblical research which I have done as a workoholic. I am reading other things also, for example a study written by someone who has done research on the figurative and not literal "Lake of Fire" as seen in Revelation chapter 20. Regarding Rob Bell and his book. It looks fine and perhaps I could give him a grade of "A".

People should see if they use their brain, the Greek word "aion" should only be looked at as eternal as it relates to God the creator or Jesus Christ his son.  Thank you Jesus Christ for passing salvation onto regular man. Here are some of the usages of this Greek word. I give credit to the people who know Koine Greek who are able to do New Testament translations with improvement. 

Matthew 13:39-40
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world (aion); and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world (aion).
King James Version (KJV)
Matthew 13:39-40
39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age (aion), and the reapers are angels. 40 Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the end of the age (aion).
English Standard Version (ESV)

Matthew 13:49
49 So shall it be at the end of the world (aion): the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
KJV
Matthew 13:49
49 So it will be at the end of the age (aion); the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous,
New American Standard Bible

Matthew 24:3
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world (aion)?
KJV
Matthew 24:3
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the age (aion)?
Jubilee Bible 2000

Matthew 28:20
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world (aion). Amen.
KJV
Matthew 28:20
20 teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age (aion).
New English Translation

Clearly from the above usages age or aion in the Greek has an ending.

1 hour ago, Rocky said:

Perhaps you could capsulize the point you want to make here when you provided the link to your article. I'd appreciate it. 

Perhaps the most confusion of understanding on this subject is the lack of understanding of the Greek word translated either as age, world, ever, forever and with other translated version words. In Koine Greek this is the word aion, which is also written in English as aioon. When seeing the following biblical usages of this word aion, a clear definition is age with a limited duration of time, or a period of longer or shorter duration having a beginning and an end. When seeing other biblical usages, which will be covered on the final page of this study, this word could also be understood and used in context as an unbroken age, perpetuity of time, eternity. However, this usage would require multiple ages and as it relates to God the creator of life. This Greek word is used as a noun. There are 125 usages of this word in the New Testament. From a number of usages of this word it is clearly seen that age has a limitation of time with an end to the age. In the King James Version this is often translated world. However, most if not all of the newer biblical versions use the word age for aion more often. On the below link are verses with aion from the King James Version, followed by other biblical versions chosen randomly. As I stated previously, with editing biblical versions can improve for truth and clarity.

http://www.christian-universalism.info/agegreekwords-pg3.html

Reading the above should take less than 2 minutes. I hope that is not to long of a time to spend.

Biblical Usages of N.T. Greek word, Aion

Page 3 of the article. Article Written by someone named Mark Sanguinetti, I wonder who that person is??? 

Here also is a web site article that I have learned from on the subject of age using the original Greek N.T. words. I have read this article at least once and learned from it. This article was written by someone named Mark Sanguinetti. I wonder who that person is because I sometimes call myself Marky Spaghetti instead of Mark Sanguinetti? 

Age and the Greek Words Aion and Aionios

1 hour ago, WordWolf said:

While I can't say I agree on ALL points, I agree with Mark that a lot of the doctrine was adapted from Greco-Roman mythology,  of shades in the underworld, tortured for eternity.   I agree with him and Rob Bell that I don't buy the idea that lots of humanity will be (or are) tortured for centuries or forever.   I don't see that squaring the the Bible, and I don't see that squaring with God's M.O.     There was a quote, attributed to Mark Twain, where he supposedly didn't agree with it, either.   It's one thing to destroy a villain, it is another to punish for a time during his sentence, but to torture forever made no sense to him.     (I just don't see "eternal torture for humanity" working on paper.) 

 

 

Yes and the word sometimes translated as eternal in bible versions are the Greek words "aion" and "aionios"". In English these biblical words are also often translated 'age". All usages of the Greek word for eternal in the book of Revelation is the Greek word often translated as "age" or "ages" in other New Testament scriptures. I can looks this up because of my biblical study software that I have. Age is a period of time that could be long or short.

Rocky, I hope that you enjoy reading Rob Bell's book. Rob Bell sounds like he is NOT a hateful person mixed with common sense and likely a study of the bible that he teaches from. I hope it is OK to agree with you at least in part. Or should I apologize for agreeing with you????? 

The Myths of Hell

My goal is to also write a book. One of the chapters of my future book is on this web site with link above which I did. Rob Bell sounds like he is not a hateful person mixed with common sense and likely a study of the bible also. To use demonic theology and believe that immediately after death all people go to either hell for eternal torment or heaven for eternal pleasure is crazy. This was not part of the Old Testament theology. Hell is instead the grave or the place of death. And biblical translators see this with newer biblical versions for example the NIV, having ZERO usages of the word Hell in the entire Old Testament.  The doctrine of hell originated with Greek, Roman and perhaps other mystic theology. Hell is simply the grave or the place of death. It takes God the creator to raise people from the dead.

The first man to be raised from the dead to live eternally is Jesus Christ. All Christian who read the bible and believe in Jesus Christ should see this. Otherwise they are dumb-dee dumb dumb. In the actual bible for people who know how to read. After the resurrection of Jesus Christ we have the followers of Jesus Christ to be raised from the dead next and this is when Jesus Christ returns.  We have seen this in 1 Thessalonians chapter 4. Then in the figurative book of Revelation chapter 20, we have the first resurrection with those who were persecuted for the work of God being raised from the dead. Next we have what can be called the resurrection of the unjust.  The outcome of this resurrection is not clearly stated in the figurative and not literal book of Revelation. However, since God is referred to as the God of love. What is the purpose of raising humans from the dead???? To torture them only? Or to improve them with perhaps some punishment, which we often get now, but to at least try to purify their sin nature so that they can see how good and loving Jesus Christ is, while following him. The clearest example of this in the bible is Jesus Christ appearing to Saul, also named Paul; and getting him to change from one of the most hateful persecutors of the followers of Jesus Christ to the best teacher of Jesus Christ and God's word as seen in the New Testament. This is clearly seen by reading Acts chapter 9. 

Acts Chapter 9

23 hours ago, Rocky said:

Mark, are you suggesting that's the ONLY expression of non-traditional sexuality the RCC "discipline" causes?

If so, I would suggest otherwise. As in, ALL (or at least many) manner(s) of what contemporary societies would or have considered perverse.

And from a couple other responses, I figure I'm not the only one who holds that view.

For example, this news story in the NYTimes from February 2019,
 

• Feb. 6, 2019
• • ROME — The sexual abuse of nuns and religious women by Catholic priests and bishops — and the abortions that have sometimes resulted — has for years been overshadowed by other scandals in the Roman Catholic Church.
  • That seemed to change this week when Pope Francis publicly acknowledged the problem for the first time.

 

No, I am not suggesting that. Why are you thinking that? I simply added this link for people who want to read it regarding the risk of homosexuality for people who are not allowed to marry. This article makes this clear at least to me. And it is interesting that with sometimes homosexuality, priests also can sometimes have sex with women. 

Homosexual Clergy in the Roman Catholic Church

Homosexual Clergy in the Roman Catholic Church

It looks like not allowing priests and sister or nuns to marry has opened the door in the Roman Catholic church for homosexuals among male priests and female sisters or nuns.

6 hours ago, oldiesman said:

Thanks Mark.   I have seen Catholics bow down and kiss the ring of a Bishop (who according to Catholics would be a modern-day Apostle).   It felt wierd to see that.    They might have done something like that in the first century with Peter and Paul, etc.   I don't know.   But I ask myself "are they doing it to worship the Bishop or because they love God and want to show respect to his body the church and what Christ put in place."     Its sort of the same respect we showed VPW when he was around... but with Catholics it is even worse (more pronounced) this "worship" or earthly respect and reverence to Popes, Bishops and so forth.    But it that evil?   I don't know.    It is certainly tradition and ceremony.    Guess it depends of what's in the heart of the person doing it.    When I talk to some of these people afterwards its clear they love God and are there for that.   

I would and will not worship them like they are God or Jesus Christ his only begotten son. Instead I might want to gently pet them on the shoulder like they are dogs that hopefully wag their tails. I really love dogs, but do not worship them. I actually did this at a Greek Orthodox church to two ministers when I was in a line with other people. This very old denomination historically and many years ago separated itself from the Roman Catholic church. As I recall others kissed the hand and ring of the two minsters. I instead petted them both on the shoulder. I also let them know that if they wanted to pet me that they could. After I did this these two ministers were friendly with me. I have helped educate them from the bible by sending  them and other ministers links to biblical articles that I have written.  As an example of the reality that I love dogs, when I was a child before the age of five, my family or parents had a house with a swimming pool. I would sometimes walk around and when I walked around near the swimming pool our family German Shepherd dog would bark to my parents and position himself between me and the pool  when I walked around near the pool. My mother has told me this.and even told me this two days ago. This helpful dog knew that if I slipped and fell in the pool, that I could drown and die because this was when I was very young and did not know yet how to swim. I wonder if this dog saved my life??? The dog was at least helpful with my family feeding the dog and providing water to drink. I now consider this German Shepherd dog in the "Doggie Hall of Fame".  Perhaps similar to a star professional athlete.  

4 hours ago, WordWolf said:

In twi, I feel that Jesus was seriously de-emphasized,  in order to emphasize people living now (us, but mostly vpw.)   Even a temporal, earthly emperor would get more respect and notice than was given to him.     I mean, even referring to him as "Lord" didn't mean much, because few people ever thought about what it meant to HAVE a "lord."    I once replied to some trinitarians who seemed baffled about how one could have a "lord" who was not their "god."     I said that to have Jesus as my lord meant that I'd sworn fealty to him.   Even over the internet, I could almost swear I'd heard little light-bulbs going on over people's heads.   THAT they understood.

For a lot of twi and ex-twi people who claim adherence to the twi system,  it's nothing at all like "swearing fealty to Jesus" or anything along those lines.   Doing so takes away from the loyalty to some earthly leader who usurped Jesus' rightful place in the life of a Christian.

 

There should be no doctrine or teaching which elevates some people at the expense of other legitimate followers of Jesus Christ.  Only God the Father and his Son Jesus are to be exalted.  Yet today we have false doctrines such as the pope being the Vicar of Christ, or that by our minds renewed to God's word we take the place of the absent Christ, as was taught in the denomination I used to associate with (TWI).  He is surely not absent nor is anyone, regardless of which denomination he heads, be it big or small, the head of the body of believers.  The only head of the body of believers is seated at God’s right hand in heaven, the Lord Jesus Christ (Colossians 3:1).  It seems the Church, as made up of all believers in Jesus Christ regardless of denominational affiliation, is continually in jeopardy of making its leaders as lords and even worse, mediators between God and men, when in fact, there is but one God and only one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (see 1 Timothy 2:5).

 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

KJV

On 8/16/2019 at 2:12 AM, Twinky said:

Praying for you, Mark.

The girlies enjoyed the petting, but gave you a shirty look.  You might have been trying to eat them.  That's them all over!

Sorry for not trying to eat them. I would instead prefer to pet them and feed them. The one at the top looks hungry for at least a tidbit. Thank you for your prayers. Prayers for you also.