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  1. At least the Thayer's Greek Lexicon is NOT subject to intellectual property / copyright law, because it was published before 1923.  However, the Vine's Expository Dictionary may be subject to copyright law because it was first published in 1940. Perhaps the Thomas Nelson Publishers purchased this. Difficult contacting them.

    In doing a Google search, I just found out that Thomas Nelson Publishers was acquired or purchased by Harper Collins Publishers. I can perhaps at least contact this publisher. I will try to do that by phone call soon.

  2. 1 hour ago, Twinky said:

    Well, well.  Vine's.  Was written in part, I believe, by the very late father of a late client of mine.  I still work for her son, who has the volumes of the books that were written.

    Bu it's so old now.  Is it still subject to intellectual property / copyright law?

    Thank you Twinky. It would be good for me to contact PC BibleSoft Software or Thomas Nelson Publishers , but no success so far. Yes, it likely took a number of people to do the research work for this. 

  3. 6 hours ago, Rocky said:

    Sounds like you need legal advice from someone conversant with publishing/copyright/intellectual property law. 

    I would be very skeptical of any such advice on the subject you might get here.

    Thank you Rocky for your feedback. In research so far when using my brain. I need to contact organizations or corporations that have received or perhaps purchased the copyright of the documents that I can quote from to get their approval or at least their feedback. The problem now is that it is very difficult to contact them. Perhaps at least in part because of the virus. The organizations should at least let me compliment them for their definitions while I write that their definitions of Greek words are very factual and that they confirm what I already believed before reading their definitions.  Then using my own words for the definitions. Here is an example of the definitions that I copied from the BibleSoft software. I can not even now contact BibleSoft Software. I tried contacting them through their web site yesterday without hearing back from them today. I tried to get their phone number with no success now, perhaps because of the crazy virus. 

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    OT:7585  she°ol

     "place of the dead." Sha°al seems to be the basis for an important noun in the Old Testament, she°ol. Found 65 times in the Hebrew Bible, she°ol refers to the netherworld or the underground cavern to which all buried dead go. Often incorrectly translated "hell" in the KJV, she°ol was not understood to be a place of punishment, but simply the ultimate resting place of all mankind Genesis 37:35. Thus, it was thought to be the land of no return Job 16:22; 17:14-16. It was a place to be dreaded, not only because it meant the end of physical life on earth, but also because there was no praise of God there Psalms 6:5. Deliverance from it was a blessing Psalms 30:3.

    In some instances, it may be a symbol of distress or even plague; it is often used in parallel with "the Pit," another symbol of destruction. Everything about she°ol was negative, so it is little wonder that the concept of hell developed from it in the intertestamental and New Testament literature.

    (from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

    From internet research Vine's was originally written by William Vine with completion in 1940. The Thomas Nelson Publishers perhaps gained copyright of this. I am trying to contact them also via the internet with no success. I wonder if the covid-19 virus also spread to the internet, but I do not think so. Sarcasm by Marky!

  4.  I have now almost finished the writing of a biblical study book with the title of "Our Loving Savior Jesus Christ", which may be printed for commercial use. Most of the content I am confident you will agree with. Perhaps as high as 98% or after reading the content and comparing to bible versions, maybe higher. The problem I have now is after learning from Greek words and their definitions or confirming what I already believed about their definitions, I wonder if I will be able to copy these definitions to my book, while giving them clearly written credit for their definitions? For example, two Greek Dictionaries that I use called the Vine's Expository Dictionary and the Thayer's Greek Lexicon. I am having trouble contacting the companies that may have the copyright status. What are your views on giving them credit for their definitions while copying some of their Greek word definitions to the chapters of my book for commercial use? Or should I reword their Greek definitions with my own wording, which might be more clearly understood?  Does anyone here have legal information on this?

  5. WOW Waxit and others! Because this is Saturday we got or get to  rest and sleep today, Saturday. We even get to worship God. However, I think God lets us also rest and even sleep other days also and not just only Saturday, the day of rest. We also get to even worship God, not just on Saturday, but also seven days a week. I hope that is OK to worship God seven days a week, perhaps through prayer, but I think it is. 

  6. Regarding Sabbath, here are scriptures where Jesus Christ  stated his views of the day of Sabbath after being accused of doing things even to help people on the day of Sabbath by the Jews.

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    John 5:1-18

    5 Some time later, Jesus went up to Jerusalem for a feast of the Jews. 2 Now there is in Jerusalem near the Sheep Gate a pool, which in Aramaic is called Bethesda and which is surrounded by five covered colonnades. 3 Here a great number of disabled people used to lie — the blind, the lame, the paralyzed.  5 One who was there had been an invalid for thirty-eight years. 6 When Jesus saw him lying there and learned that he had been in this condition for a long time, he asked him, "Do you want to get well?" 
    7 "Sir," the invalid replied, "I have no one to help me into the pool when the water is stirred. While I am trying to get in, someone else goes down ahead of me." 
    8 Then Jesus said to him, "Get up! Pick up your mat and walk."  9 At once the man was cured; he picked up his mat and walked.
    The day on which this took place was a Sabbath, 10 and so the Jews said to the man who had been healed, "It is the Sabbath; the law forbids you to carry your mat." 
    11 But he replied, "The man who made me well said to me, 'Pick up your mat and walk.'" 
    12 So they asked him, "Who is this fellow who told you to pick it up and walk?" 
    13 The man who was healed had no idea who it was, for Jesus had slipped away into the crowd that was there. 
    14 Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, "See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you."  15 The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. 
    16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him. 17 Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working."  18 For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. 
    NIV

     

    Here are scriptures that showed that the Jews had a crazy and hateful mindset of so called working on the Sabbath day with Jesus trying to correct the crazy sinful mindset of at least one Jew who was healed through the faith of Jesus  on the day of Sabbath. Regarding the day of Sabbath being a special day of worship. It looks to me like Jesus worshiped God his Father seven days a week and so can we through prayer. 

  7. 10 hours ago, Waxit said:

    Romans 3:31 

    31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (includes the 7th day sabbath commandment)

    Perhaps we should thank Waxit for inspiring us to do the research showing that the day of Sabbath is NOT important compared to faith in Jesus Christ. Yet Waxit wants to continually try to add his mindset to the scriptures. As one of MANY examples here on GSC doctrinal. Waxit has a long post with his comments that include accusations to someone named Mark Sanguinetti, yet Waxit does this with only  one scripture quote , while again trying to get people to ignore the context of the one scripture that Waxit quotes from, while again trying to add his mindset of the 7th day Sabbath to one scripture. Here is the context of the one scripture that Waxit quotes from while again trying to add his mindset to the scripture. 

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    Romans 3:19-31

    19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. 

    21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. 

    27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29 Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. 
    NIV

     

    Because I do not have time to write comments now regarding these scriptures because of other biblical research that I am doing with even a biblical book with articles that I am writing. I am instead simply copying from a biblical commentary pertaining to Romans 3:19-31.

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    In Romans 3:19-20: the whole world is guilty before God! The Law that the Jews thought would save them merely condemns them; for the Law gives the knowledge of sin.  (Mark S. note: Yes this includes the law of the day of Sabbath, which the Pharisees often accused Jesus and his followers of not following.)

    Romans 3:21-31

    II. The Good News: Justification by Faith (3:21-31)
    A. Apart from the Law.
    Verse 21 can be paraphrased, "But now, in this age of grace, a righteousness - a new kind of righteousness has been revealed, but not one that depends on the Law." People today want righteousness by the Law and by works, but Paul has already proved that the Law condemns and can never save. This grace-righteousness was, however, seen in the OT. Abraham, for example, was declared righteous because of his faith (Genesis 15:6). Habakkuk 2:4 says, "The just shall live by faith." Read Romans 9:30-33 and see why Israel missed this righteousness by faith.
    Note how often Paul uses the word "faith." Verse 23 can be read, "For all have sinned [once-for-all in Adam] and are constantly coming short of the glory of God." Then Paul introduces several important terms:
    Justified - declared righteous in God's sight through the merits of Christ, secure in our position in Christ before the throne of God. justification is God's righteousness imputed, put to our account. Sanctification is righteousness imparted, or lived out in our daily lives.
    Redemption - deliverance from sin and its penalties, by the payment of a price. This price was Christ's blood on the cross.
    Propitiation - Christ's sacrifice satisfied God's holy law, thus making it possible for God to forgive sinners and remain just Himself. God's justice has been satisfied; He may now look with kindness and grace upon a lost world.
    "Justified freely by His grace" (v. 24)! What a thrilling statement! Not by works, good intentions, gifts, or prayers, but freely by His grace alone. It is in this letter that Paul explains how God can be both "just and justifier" (v. 26), and the answer is the cross. When Jesus died, He bore our sins in His own body (1 Peter 2:24) and thus paid the price God's law demanded. But He arose again! Thus He is alive and able to save all who will believe!
    Verse 25 teaches that in the ages before the full revelation of the Gospel of Christ, God appeared to be unjust in "passing over" the sins of mankind and forgiving such people as Noah, Abraham, and Enoch. True, He did send wrath in some cases; but generations of sinners seemed to escape the judgment of God. How was God able to do this? Because He knew that at the cross, He would give a full display of His wrath against sin, and yet through Christ's death provide a redemption for sins that had merely been "covered" by the blood of bulls and goats (Hebrews 9-10).
    C. Accepted by faith (vv. 27-31).
    "Hear the conclusion of the whole matter!" The Jew has nothing to boast of, because all sinners are justified by faith and not by the works of the Law. If justification is by the Law, then He is a God of the Jews only, because only Israel had the Law. But God is also the God of the Gentiles. Therefore, both Jews and Gentiles are saved the same way - by faith. And this simple means of salvation does not cancel the Law, for the Law demanded death for sin, and Christ died for our sins. Thus, the Gospel establishes the Law. God's Law reveals my need of grace, and God's grace enables me to obey the Law.

    (from Wiersbe's Expository Outlines on the New Testament. Copyright © 1992 by Chariot Victor Publishing, an imprint of Cook Communication Ministries. All rights reserved.)
     

    And this is something that Waxit will again try to get people to ignore, while he adds his Mindset to scriptures. The day of Sabbath is not mentioned in the epistle to the Gentile Romans. Thank you again Waxit for inspiring us here on Grease Spot Cafe to do the biblical research that shows that following the Old Testament law's day of Sabbath is not important in comparison to faith in Jesus Christ. 

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  8. I am confident that Waxit is not as judgmental and bad as the Pharisees were in the first century when they opposed Jesus Christ and his followers. However, perhaps Waxit promotes the Sabbath day here on Grease Spot Cafe even more than the Pharisees did in the first century. Perhaps Waxit agrees with the Pharisees regarding the day of Sabbath, but hopefully not with as much hatred as the Pharisees promoted the day of Sabbath.  As a result of the hatred of the Pharisees, the temple of worship was at least partially destroyed on Jesus' day of death. As a result of the hatred of the Pharisees when they worked with the Roman Empire to oppose and persecute Jesus Christ and his followers, their capital city of Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman Empire in about 70 AD and this destruction includes the temple of worship. This was prophesied by Jesus Christ in his earthly life. However, with Waxit constantly promoting the day of Sabbath he might still want to ignore the below scriptures that clearly say that Jesus Christ told the Pharisees that the Sabbath day was made for man, even to help them, and not man for the Sabbath day. This was right after the Pharisees accused Jesus Christ and his followers of not following the Sabbath day. Hopefully Waxit who is able to understand this, will want to understand this and not think that these scriptures should be changed to his mindset.

    Waxit needs to look at the context of Jesus telling the Pharisees who were accusing him and his followers for working on the Sabbath, that "the Son of  Man is also the Lord of the Sabbath. Jesus said this because the Pharisees  were accusing Jesus' followers of perhaps even working on the day of Sabbath.

      

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    Mark 2:23-28

    23 Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain. 24 And the Pharisees said to Him, "Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?" 

    25 But He said to them, "Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry, he and those with him:  26 how he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, which is not lawful to eat except for the priests, and also gave some to those who were with him?" 

    27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.  28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath." 
    NKJV
     

    Here are the other verses where Jesus said he was the "Lord of the Sabbath".

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    Luke 6:1-11

    6 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels. 2 Some of the Pharisees asked, "Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?

    3 Jesus answered them, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."  5 Then Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." 

    6 On another Sabbath he went into the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was shriveled. 7 The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesusso they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath8 But Jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand, "Get up and stand in front of everyone." So he got up and stood there. 

    Then Jesus said to them, "I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?

    10 He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." He did so, and his hand was completely restored. 11 But they were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus
    NIV

     

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    Matthew 12:1-8

    12 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath." 

    3 He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread — which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that one greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." 
    NIV
     

    Jesus Christ as the Son of Man relates Jesus Christ to common mortal man. The Pharisees after continually accusing Jesus and his followers of not following their Pharisees mindset of the Sabbath being a burden while condemning the innocent. Jesus Christ says this day is not a burden, while desiring mercy or a blessing through the Sabbath day instead of this day being a day of condemnation and sacrifice.

     

  9. I have previously provided the below information to help Waxit understand how the Pharisees often promoted the days of Sabbath. The question now is will Waxit actually read these verse along with teaching comments? Please read these verses Waxit. 

    On 5/27/2020 at 2:28 PM, Mark Sanguinetti said:

    Waxit needs to look at the context of Jesus telling the Pharisees who were accusing him and his followers for working on the Sabbath, that "the Son of Man is also the Lord of the Sabbath. Jesus said this because the Pharisees were accusing Jesus' followers of perhaps even working on the day of Sabbath

     

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    Mark 2:23-28

    23 Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain. 24 And the Pharisees said to Him, "Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?" 

    25 But He said to them, "Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry, he and those with him:  26 how he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, which is not lawful to eat except for the priests, and also gave some to those who were with him?" 

    27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.  28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath." 
    NKJV

     

    Here are the other verses where Jesus said he was the "Lord of the Sabbath".

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    Luke 6:1-11

    6 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels. 2 Some of the Pharisees asked, "Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?

    3 Jesus answered them, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."  5 Then Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." 

    6 On another Sabbath he went into the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was shriveled. 7 The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesusso they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath8 But Jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand, "Get up and stand in front of everyone." So he got up and stood there. 

    Then Jesus said to them, "I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?

    10 He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." He did so, and his hand was completely restored. 11 But they were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus
    NIV

     

  10. 43 minutes ago, Waxit said:

    What makes you doubt that Twinky has a brain previously
    Perhaps you should check yours for doubting others just because they hold a different view

    Sorry Waxit, but I have complimented her even more than I have complimented you. Now Waxit please read my previous posts here as it relates to the views of the Pharisees on the days of Sabbath, where I quote from actual scriptures instead of ignoring them. I am sorry, but you will not be able to bring diversity between me and other posters here. It is clear that you are trying now.  NO, I do not have a different view on this and many other biblical subjects compared to Twinky. 

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    Mark 2:23-28

    2:23-28 The Sabbath: Blessing or burden? When the Pharisees accused his disciples of profaning the Sabbath, Jesus challenged their legalism, saying that God meant the Sabbath to be a blessing, not a burden. [Matthew 12:1-8; Luke 6:1-5] 
    (from Willmington's Bible Handbook by Harold Willmington Copyright © 1997 by Harold L. Willmington. Produced with permission of Tyndale House Publishers, Inc. All rights reserved.)
     

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    Matthew 12:1-8

    12 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath." 

    3 He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread — which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that one greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.
    NIV
     

    Jesus Christ as the Son of Man relates Jesus Christ to common mortal man. The Pharisees after continually accusing Jesus and his followers of not following their pharisees mindset of the Sabbath being a burden while condemning the innocent. Jesus Christ says this day is not a burden, while desiring mercy or a blessing through the Sabbath day instead of this day being a day of condemnation and sacrifice.

  12. Waxit needs to look at the context of Jesus telling the Pharisees who were accusing him and his followers for working on the Sabbath, that "the Son of Man is also the Lord of the Sabbath. Jesus said this because the Pharisees were accusing Jesus' followers of perhaps even working on the day of Sabbath. Waxit, please do not act like a Pharisee on this thread while also, at least in part accusing us for not seeing the day of Sabbath like you see it.

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    Mark 2:23-28

    23 Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain. 24 And the Pharisees said to Him, "Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?" 

    25 But He said to them, "Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry, he and those with him:  26 how he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, which is not lawful to eat except for the priests, and also gave some to those who were with him?" 

    27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.  28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath." 
    NKJV
     

    Here are the other verses where Jesus said he was the "Lord of the Sabbath".

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    Luke 6:1-11

    6 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and his disciples began to pick some heads of grain, rub them in their hands and eat the kernels. 2 Some of the Pharisees asked, "Why are you doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?

    3 Jesus answered them, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and taking the consecrated bread, he ate what is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."  5 Then Jesus said to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." 

    6 On another Sabbath he went into the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was shriveled. 7 The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath. 8 But Jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand, "Get up and stand in front of everyone." So he got up and stood there. 

    9 Then Jesus said to them, "I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?

    10 He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." He did so, and his hand was completely restored. 11 But they were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus
    NIV
     

     I hope Waxit is not furious like the Pharisees were when they accused Jesus and his followers of not following the day of Sabbath like the Pharisees did. 

  13. 44 minutes ago, Twinky said:

    And furthermore, I don't believe that God would be one jot upset if anyone (at all) chose to enjoy their day of rest, their sabbath, on some other day of the week, because of whatever commitments that person might have.  If you think that, you know a different God from the one I do.  Mine is loving, caring, graceful, compassionate, peaceful, forgiving and a lot of other wonderful things besides.  My God is not vindictive and will throw me away forever if I happen to celebrate a day of loving him - on the wrong day of the week.  Think about that.

    WOW, it sounds like Twinky has a brain and is even using her brain. Very good!

  14. On 5/21/2020 at 1:38 PM, Waxit said:

    what sabbah keeping is

    In regards to the sabbath being quoted 84 times in the book of acts. Hmmm! I thought that I did see this sometime ago
    If I am wrong- I stand corrected. Thanks for clarifying that

    Waxit wants to add the word Sabbath to scriptures. The only way he is going to be able to add enough of the word Sabbath to scriptures to match his mindset, especially in the New Testament and the writings of the apostle Paul to the Gentiles, is to come up with his own new bible version. At least Waxit partially saw his error of 84 usages of the word Sabbath in the book of Acts. Because I have very good biblical study software and I even passed 3rd and 4th grade math, I was able to count 9 usages of the word Sabbath in the book of Acts for both the New International Version and the King James Version instead of 84. You people can double check to see if I can count while perhaps still being able to at least pass third grade math. However, perhaps I am cheating now with the help of my biblical study software. Perhaps I should have kept that secret.

  15. 5 hours ago, Waxit said:

    In regards to the sabbath being quoted 84 times in the book of acts. Hmmm! I thought that I did see this sometime ago
    If I am wrong- I stand corrected. Thanks for clarifying that
     

    At least Waxit is trying to see one of his mistakes. Regarding the Pharisees and their promotion of the Sabbath day. with the first eight usages of the Greek word for Sabbath from Mathew chapter 12 telling of this. Waxit is certainly not as bad as the Pharisees of the first century with their hatred while wanting to murder Jesus Christ and other followers of God and Jesus Christ his Son. I hope Waxit at least sees that murder is a worse offense than not following the Sabbath day.  

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    Waxit also said

    Do not focus on what the pharisee idiots wanted -  focus on whether you are keeping the 7th day sabbath commandment of God
                                                                                               Keeping the 7th day sabbath is not about a bunch of legalistic rules to be observed 
                                                                                                If that is all that you can think of after i have given you clear explanation on the strong link
                                                                                                between The love of God and the 7th day sabbath then i feel sorry for you that you are not grasping what sabbah keeping is

    With Paul in all of his writings only mentioning the word Sabbath two times, while not seeing it in a positive way like Waxit sees Sabbath. Should Waxit also feel sorry for Paul and think he knows more about at least the day of Sabbath than the apostle Paul? I previously quoted from Colossians 2:16 and surrounding verses that has the Greek word Sabbath. This shows that people that accuse others of not following Sabbath as a special  day should be ignored. Here is the only other usage of the Greek word for Sabbath as written by Paul. Many biblical versions translate this as "of the week" (KJV) , "of every  week" (NASB)  and (NIV)

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    1 Corinthians 16:1-9

    16 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2 On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come. 3 And when I arrive, whomever you may approve, I shall send them with letters to carry your gift to Jerusalem; 4 and if it is fitting for me to go also, they will go with me. 5 But I shall come to you after I go through Macedonia, for I am going through Macedonia; 6 and perhaps I shall stay with you, or even spend the winter, that you may send me on my way wherever I may go. 7 For I do not wish to see you now just in passing; for I hope to remain with you for some time, if the Lord permits. 8 But I shall remain in Ephesus until Pentecost; 9 for a wide door for effective service has opened to me, and there are many adversaries. 
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    1 Corinthians 16:1-4

    16 Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 3 Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem. 4 If it seems advisable for me to go also, they will accompany me. 
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    The context of this day is giving money to poor people that need it so that Paul does not have to collect it. And it says do this on the first day and not the last day of the week, with the last day of the week being the day of Sabbath. Does this show the importance of the day of Sabbath to the apostle Paul? 

  16. 3 hours ago, Waxit said:

    What if i told you that the word "sabbath" is mentioned in the book of Acts about 84 times- surely that should tell you something, shouldn' t it?

    Perhaps you will need to edit your above comments to correct your math error. Either that or you would need to do the work to create your own biblical version, while adding the word Sabbath to your new version many times. However, every current version has MUCH less usages of the word Sabbath for the book of Acts. I hope it is OK to be factual here.  In using biblical reference software, the New Testament has the Greek word "sabbasin" for the Sabbath day. This is Strong's number 4521. There are 68 usages of this Greek word in the New Testament . To help Waxit correct his error there are ten (10) usages of this Greek word for Sabbath in the book of Acts. WOW this is the same number as the original Old Testament law with ten commandments. Of these 68 New Testament usages. The first 8 usages of the Greek word for Sabbath in the New Testament are all in Matthew chapter 12. Please read this chapter as quoted below and see that this was the Pharisees accusing Jesus Christ of not following the law of the Sabbath day. Waxit, please do not act like a Pharisee here while accusing us of not following the Sabbath day. 

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    Matthew 12:1-17

    12 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath." 

    3 He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread — which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that one greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath." 

    9 Going on from that place, he went into their synagogue, 10 and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?" 

    11 He said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath." 

    13 Then he said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." So he stretched it out and it was completely restored, just as sound as the other. 14 But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus. 

    15 Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place. Many followed him, and he healed all their sick, 16 warning them not to tell who he was. 17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: 
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    The final usage of this Greek word for Sabbath is Colossians 2:16. This final usage from Paul says that we should not let anyone judge us regarding whether or not we have a special Sabbath day of special worship. These are only a figurative and symbolic shadow of things found in Jesus Christ our savior. 

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    Colossians 2:13-19

    13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. 

    16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. 
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  17. 6 hours ago, Waxit said:

    The bible shows where we are spiritually.
    From the following verses, it is clear the importance of commandent keeping (includes 7th day Sabbath)

    1 John 2:
     

    And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

    He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    How do you explain the above verses in light of your anti sabbath stance?

    Does John ever mention Sabbath in this letter? Please read the actual text instead of trying to change the actual text with your mindset. 

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    1 John Chapter 1

    1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched — this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 4 We write this to make our joy complete. 
    5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. 
    8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. 

     

    1 John Chapter 2

    1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense — Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. 
    3 We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4 The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God's love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 
    7 Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. 8 Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining. 
    9 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. 10 Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble. 11 But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him. 12 I write to you, dear children,because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name. 13 I write to you, fathers,because you have known him who is from the beginning.I write to you, young men,because you have overcome the evil one.I write to you, dear children,because you have known the Father. 14 I write to you, fathers,because you have known him who is from the beginning.I write to you, young men,because you are strong,and the word of God lives in you,and you have overcome the evil one. 
    15 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For everything in the world — the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does — comes not from the Father but from the world. 17 The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever. 
    18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. 
    20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.  21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist — he denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. 
    24 See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us — even eternal life. 
    26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit — just as it has taught you, remain in him. 
    28 And now, dear children, continue in him, so that when he appears we may be confident and unashamed before him at his coming. 
    29 If you know that he is righteous, you know that everyone who does what is right has been born of him. 
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    In addition to the above text, the word Sabbath is listed 0 times in 1st John with five chapters. In contrast, the word love is listed 35 times in 1st John using the NIV version. I hope we can all at least pass one 3rd grade math test. What is a higher number that obviously shows more importance? The number 35 or the number 0? I am confident that T-Bone can pass third grade math and see that 35 is a higher number than 0. I also can see that and hopefully pass third grade math, while at least being able to pass one math test. Hopefully, Waxit can also pass third grade math, while also seeing that 35 is a higher number than 0. I am now cheering for Mark S., T-Bone, Waxit, Twinky and everyone on this forum to pass third grade math. Yea!!!!!

  18. Waxit, I see that you can read and write. And you have written much to support your doctrinal view on the Sabbath day. You can see and understand  the following if you want to. The Sabbath day was primarily important to the nation of Israel under the Old Testament law as a method of showing faith in God. It still looks to me like only the prophets had the spirit of God to help their understanding of spiritual truth during Old Testament times. Because of this people needed the help of symbols and actions to help their spiritual understanding. However, because of Jesus Christ and the receiving of the gift of holy spirit for common every day followers of Christ, more spiritual understanding has been passed onto more people. This includes the Gentiles which are every person or nation that was not part of the nation of Israel. Hence people now simply do not need special days of service to understand spiritual things in order to fully follow God. Following God is now simply through following Jesus Christ as Lord. The greatest commandment of Christ was love for God and God's people. Here are the only New Testament words for Sabbath or related Greeks words as taught by and used by Paul the apostle for the Gentiles using the original Greek word, which is "sabbatoon" and "sabbatou" when specifically addressed to the Gentiles. Using my biblical study software this is Strong's #4521. The first usage as taught by Paul involves giving of money to help the poor. The last usage for Sabbath shows that this day was and is not important. People today do not need the day of Sabbath to worship God. These days are only a shadow of what is to come through Jesus Christ.  

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    1 Corinthians 16:1-4

    16 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2 On the first day of every week (sabbatou) each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come. 3 When I arrive, whomever you may approve, I will send them with letters to carry your gift to Jerusalem; 4 and if it is fitting for me to go also, they will go with me. 
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    Colossians 2:16-19

    16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath (sabbatoon) day —  17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. 18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God. 
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  19. 48 minutes ago, T-Bone said:

    Thanks for those links, Mark...which series do you have? Professional, Discipleship, or Discovery?

    All I can see is PC Study Bible Version 5. Perhaps I have the in between Version and not the version with the most data. I have plenty of data for biblical study. As I recall the Professional with the most data might simply have more reference data. However, because I purchased the first version years ago and upgraded the version with an additional purchase I get plenty of biblical data that includes Greek text and Greek New Testament words. You can simply check which version is best for you. 

  20. Thank you TBone for the information about the NASB biblical version. In writing my biblical articles I also quote from scriptures, while teaching or writing comments about the scriptures. I have not used the NASB version, however I will at least consider using this version now for scriptural quotes. From what you wrote and the following it looks like I should quote a few of the scriptures for at least a few of my articles. My goal is to write a complete biblical teaching book. Here is copy right information for the NASB that I looked up on the internet. 

    Permission to Quote the NASB®

    The text of the New American Standard Bible® may be quoted and/or reprinted up to and inclusive of one thousand (1,000) verses without express written permission of The Lockman Foundation, providing the verses do not amount to a complete book of the Bible nor do the verses quoted account for more than 50% of the total work in which they are quoted.

    http://www.lockman.org/tlf/copyright.php

    Here is a link to the biblical study software that I use when writing articles, which does include NASB along with many other biblical versions. This software saves times and helps with research.

    http://www.biblesoft.com/

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  21. With T-Bone quoting from the epistle of Romans from the NASB (New American Standard Bible). I wonder if Waxit will complain about this biblical version also? He previously complained about the King James Version that was written in the 1500s and specifically about this version for the epistle to the Romans. Yes the Romans were not under the Old Testament law. They had different laws. Hopefully they would at least through Jesus Christ see the importance of love. The translation work for the NASB was first published in 1963 and finished in 1971. A newer version was published in 1995. This looks like regular English so it should not be a problem for reading the content.  

  22. As mentioned by T-bone, good points about the word "like" showing that both involving love as taught by Jesus Christ, have the same characteristics. And this is why Paul did not need to mention the first of the two regarding love in the following verses from Romans. Waxit writes well and has a lot of energy in promoting his favorite doctrine now, Sabbath day.  However, with Waxit being able to read and write, it is recommended that he not close his eyes when reading the less difficult to read epistle of Romans and these verses from the New International Version. And it may be sad to him that it does not mention the Sabbath Day. 

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    Romans 13:6-10

    6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. 

    8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself."  10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. 
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  23. Waxit, do you see that because the book of Revelation has mostly figurative and not literal explanations, that this writing is much more challenging to understand than the epistles (letters) of Romans and Galatians? Because of the figurative and not literal method of teaching used in the book of Revelation, this may be or is the most misunderstood with differences of views among people in the entire bible. Paul wrote his epistles much more clearly than John did in the book of Revelation. However, I was still able to write an article recently on end times through Jesus Christ with some of it explaining the symbolically written last four chapters of the book of Revelation. For example, when John got visions of 12 gates at the entrance to what was figuratively called the “New Jerusalem”. Yes, “New Jerusalem” would be a favorable explanation with the new heaven and earth for the Jews, but not necessarily for the Gentiles who had a different capital city than Jerusalem. Paul simply wrote his epistles for the Gentiles who were not part of the nation of Israel with the ten commandments. Instead as nations, for example the ancient Greek and Roman, they had different laws, cultures and traditions than the Israelite's. There was no need to mention and promote the day of Sabbath for them. So instead Paul promoted and explained the savior of both the Jews and Gentiles, who is Jesus Christ.  

    You at least see that the greatest commandment is to love God above all and love your neighbor as yourself. As far as reading the bible, there is different biblical versions that were written in updated English for more clear understanding. For example, the New International Version which is less difficult to understand now than the King James Version which was written in the 1500s.

  24. Another scripture that Waxit quoted to try to make his point of the importance of the Old Testament law Sabbath day was James 2:10-11. James was an Israelite that started a church in Jerusalem. Since he was in the capital city of Israel while being raised as an Israelite, James advocated and respected the Old Testament law. However, he did not use this as a weapon against Gentiles, and Paul even thought that James endorsed his ministry to the Gentiles according to Galatians 2:1-10.  Galatians 2:9-10
    9 James, Peter and John, those reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the Jews. 10 All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.   NIV

    Again the context of James 2:10-11 is our human relationship with one another. This chapter only mentions wrong actions of hatred among people for example murder in verse 11. 

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    2 My brothers, as believers in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ, don't show favoritism. 2 Suppose a man comes into your meeting wearing a gold ring and fine clothes, and a poor man in shabby clothes also comes in. 3 If you show special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say, "Here's a good seat for you," but say to the poor man, "You stand there" or "Sit on the floor by my feet," 4 have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? 

    5 Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him? 6 But you have insulted the poor. Is it not the rich who are exploiting you? Are they not the ones who are dragging you into court? 7 Are they not the ones who are slandering the noble name of him to whom you belong? 

    8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. 

    12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment! 

    14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15 Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 

    18 But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds."

    Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that — and shudder. 

    20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?  21 Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend. 24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. 

    25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. 
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    However, there was no reason for Abraham to kill or sacrifice his son Isaac from verse 21. To me this is a clear example of things improving under Jesus Christ. Fortunately, God after testing his faith before the Old Testament law, got him to not kill Isaac his son. Also after thinking about this, this deals with the future sacrifice of Jesus Christ as payment for the imperfection or sin nature of humanity. Instead of the sacrifice of Isaac, the son of Abraham. This can or should be seen as the prophetic future sacrifice of God's son Jesus Christ instead of the sacrifice of Abraham's son Isaac or any other imperfect human.

     

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