Mark Sanguinetti

Grizzy, my mistake. I had forgotten about Yanga or however he spells it. Now let's here more from Steve L. as he has more actual incidents to relate regarding Momentous compared to the others here. After the deception of Momentous has been revealed, if people still want to sign up for it then, as far as I am concerned, they are more than welcome to this. Grizzy, are you now a Momentous candidate?

Grizzy, are you being mindfully dishonest, was that just an honest mistake or did I miss someones post here? You said that 3 people here were pro regarding Momentous. Other than Evan and Ex10, who is the third person? Also you seem to have disregarded Steve's posts and his actual examples from the class as to why he did not like it and the many people who have had negative experiences that don't participate on Grease Spot Cafe. This was in contrast to the 2 people who said they liked it here, but had no examples of why this was the case. But by all means, if the class sounds good to you after some of the going ons have been illuminated on this thread then sign the card or whatever they have. Perhaps there is one in your area for you to attend?

Thank you Steve Lortz and thank you Patrick Roberge for sharing your Momentous experiences and the experiences of others. And thank you TheInvisibalDan for your concise and well worded summary. Is there anyone else brave enough and clear enough of mind to share their actual Momentous experiences? Can anyone offer any more details on the "confess your sins in the dark" sessions? How does the class conclude? Are there any other details of what occurs?

Evan:

Spare us your PFAL flashback and instead please give us some specific examples of what you liked about Momentous from what actually occured during the class that you took. A number of posters want to know. Even Grizzy wants to know and he normally agrees with you.

Yet you continue to give it. No examples even given of what you liked let alone what you may feel was wrong. Nothing to share about the class because you apparently made a vow of secrecy. A vow that you should have never made in the first place. A vow that allows Momentous to continue their deceptive practices.

Yes Evan and Yanagisawa. When you were in TWI and the Way Corps you probably liked that also. Probably also experienced some so called break throughs there. Later you tell us that TWI was not so good after all and that you were hurt by it. Weren't we all here hurt by TWI at times.

Now you tell us you liked Momentous, yet you won't give even one example of what you liked about it. Why should we now take your testimonies seriously?

And Excathedra, I know exactly what you are talking about.

Thank you Ex10. I understand. I too am working a number of hours myself. Maybe when you get a little free time you can share. Have a good night.

Ex10:

Since you have taken this class why don't you too make an actual contribution to this forum by sharing actual experiences? This is much better than being vague and saying you liked it, but we are not sure why. Please tell us what occurred at the class that you took. If you did in fact like the class like you say you did, please tell us what actual experiences there did you like?

Evan, seeing that you have taken Momentous, why don't you make an actual contribution to this thread and tell us what went on at your class? Perhaps you could also give us the year that you took the class. So far you have contributed nothing here except a cult like zeal. Steve, on the other hand, has shared some of his actual experiences. Can you do the same?

I second what pjroberge said about JAL trying to talk him into taking Momentous. John also tried to convince me by phoning me. I like John, but there was no way in hell I was ever going to take that class based on the initial secrecy and deception of it alone. Imagine being held to secrecy on a class? What is this the mafia? Or is this a version of TWI's lock box teaching?

I told John that I would only be interested in Momentous if it was similar to Paul's first century School of Tyranus where the believers met and had open dialogue. Then John L. lied to me and said that Momentous was. From every report I have ever heard on Mementous it is clear that John lied to me regarding Momentous and yes I new this at the time he spoke it. Momentous is the opposite of Paul's school. Steve is right. I still like John and consider him a friend. However, John and others should repent of their foolish and deliberate deception regarding Momentous.

One final point, if there is anyone that still has a positive thing to say about Momentous then let them first publicly tell us here on this thread what went on at the class that they attended. Otherwise, they are just deceivers either deliberate or otherwise.

That is what I determined also Long Gone. But since I don't want to down grade anyones anatomy I am sure the Bush girls are also attractive inspite of their father looking somewhat like Alfred E. Newman.

Zixar, the white cord on the left side of the screen is also angled slightly downward from the left side of the screen to the right, but then who the hell really cares? But don't worry Zixar, the fact that the girl has beautiful breasts should not actually affect the outcome of this campaign. Unless of course, we are dealing with the boob voters.

Zixar, haven't you heard perfection is in the Lord. Seeing that we are comparing boobs on a public forum, I would say they are quite symmetrical. Seeing that her left leg is extended forward with a natural bend in her knee and thus causing the left side of her body (including her left breast) to be slightly lower than the right this may cause an optical illusion with regard to any major cosmetic imperfection. However, if you would instead prefer to actually use a measuring devise this is understandable.

This is borrowed from one of our more intellectual and cerebral posters on Grease Spot. Reprinted without permisssion.

SCIENTIFIC REASONS TO HAVE SEX

1. Scientific tests find that when women make love, they produce double amounts of the hormone estrogen, which make hair shiny and skin smooth.

2. Gentle, relaxed lovemaking reduces your chances of suffering dermatitis, skin rashes and blemishes. The sweat produced cleanses the pores and makes your skin glow.

3. Lovemaking can burn up those calories you piled on during that romantic dinner.

4. Sex is one of the safest sports you can take up. It stretches and tones up just about every muscle in the body. It's more enjoyable than swimming 20 laps and you don't need special sneakers!

5. Sex is an instant cure for mild depression. It releases the body endorphin into the bloodstream, producing a sense of euphoria and leaving you with a feeling of well-being.

6. The more sex you have, the more you will be offered. The sexually active body gives off greater quantities of chemicals called pheromones. These subtle sex perfumes drive the opposite sex crazy!

7. Sex is the safest tranquillizer in the world. It is 10 times more effective than Valium.

8. Kissing each day will keep the dentist away. Kissing encourages saliva to wash food from the teeth and lowers the level of the acid that causes decay, preventing plaque build-up.

9. Sex actually relieves headaches. A lovemaking session can release the tension that restricts blood vessels in the brain.

10. A lot of lovemaking can unblock a stuffy nose. Sex is a national antihistamine. It can help combat asthma and hay fever.

Based on those photos I would have to vote for Kerry. It is hard to beat a very sexy outfit topped off with a beautiful matching pair. I have always appreciated good symmetrics.

LiarLiar:

So you want to challenge us? I have a challenge for you also. Your idol Victor Wierwille not only was guilty of sin unbecoming of a household fellowship coordinator. He also spread doctrinal and practical error with his use of the Way Tree as a religious hierachical power structure. Victor's only reason for the Way Tree was so that he could extend religious and financial control on God's people involved with his ministry. If you are up for a challenge compare the teaching from the below link with Victor's use of the Way Tree as a religious power structure and then get back to me. This is a legitimate challenge. Now we can see if you are more than just a loud bark.

http://www.waychrist.com/Lordship_JC.htm

2nd request.

With regard to flying around the country in order to debate with someone like yourself. You must have a giant religious ego to think that anyone is going to go out of their way to get together with someone like yourself. The cost and the time involved in this ludicrous proposition makes this undoable. Of course, that is what you planned on. Besides all the debating can be done on Grease Spot Cafe. That is if you are up for the challenge.

LiarLiar:

So you want to challenge us? I have a challenge for you also. Your idol Victor Wierwille not only was guilty of sin unbecoming of a household fellowship coordinator. He also spread doctrinal and practical error with his use of the Way Tree as a religious hierachical power structure. Victor's only reason for the Way Tree was so that he could extend religious and financial control on God's people involved with his ministry. If you are up for a challenge compare the teaching from the below link with Victor's use of the Way Tree as a religious power structure and then get back to me. This is a legitimate challenge. Now we can see if you are more than just a loud bark.

http://www.waychrist.com/Lordship_JC.htm

LiarLiar:

Two words for you.

Grow up!

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The only thing I would say to the folks who run these Momentus classes is a quote from the great Frank Zappa..."Jesus thinks you're a jerk".

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Thank you Hairy. That was very succinctly stated.

My work load is very heavy now and I am a little worried that I will be able to get everything done that I need to. However, below is some basic scripture on only begotten and Jesus the only begotten Son of God. "Only begotten" is Strong's number 3439 and is monogenees in the Greek. There are 9 usages of this word in the New Testament with scriptures below. I will comment on this when I get a little more time. Until then all the usages are here for anyone to view and comment on.

John 1:14

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

NKJV

John 1:18

18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

NKJV

John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

NKJV

John 3:18

18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

NKJV

Heb 11:17

17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

NKJV

1 John 4:9

9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.

NKJV

Luke 7:12

12 And when He came near the gate of the city, behold, a dead man was being carried out, the only son of his mother; and she was a widow. And a large crowd from the city was with her.

NKJV

Luke 8:42

42 for he had an only daughter about twelve years of age, and she was dying. But as He went, the multitudes thronged Him.

NKJV

Luke 9:38

38 Suddenly a man from the multitude cried out, saying, "Teacher, I implore You, look on my son, for he is my only child.

NKJV

Thanks for the input Hairy. Yep, Momentous was a bizarre and colossal mistake by CES. One that they will likely never admit. I live near the headquarters for Mementous or whatever they call it now so I am somewhat familiar.

Oregon is a very beautiful state. I like it also.

It was beautiful out there. The bike ride I was just on was invigorating as well as being strenuous. The hill I live on is a real killer coming back, but I made it again without stopping.

O.K. I can give my view on that. However, it will have to wait until tomorrow or the next day. I would prefer to quote from scripture and my excellent bible software is not on the computer that I am using now. However, it is on my office computer and I will be back at work tomorrow.

Cheers.

I just did Cynic. Jesus is the saviour of mankind. There is no other Saviour. That is as unique as it gets. And if you are waiting for me to start quoting from CES materials my advise is to not hold your breath.

CES like other Christian groups teach that Jesus is the Son of God and Saviour of mankind. Isn't that better than using the word unique in describing Jesus? Isn't being the saviour of mankind unique? It sounds like you are striving about words Cynic. The word you are striving over is the word unique. Sorry I don't have any CES material in front of me to see if they have adequately used the word unique. Have a nice day. It is sunny out now in California. What am I doing in front of my monitor?