Digitalis

Imbus, Wyteduv and Bowtwi ... thank you so much for sharing, I know how hard some of these life events can be to share with others, at least for me. This thread ..... you all have no idea how much of an impact you have made on myself and my family. My husband has a new outlook on possession and fear because of this thread. In essence, this alone helps our whole family. Wyteduv ... your post brought tears to my eyes hon. Being a mom, I can't even take the pain of imagining of going thru what you have been thru. You are one tough lady, my Hats off to you. Bless your heart. You are in my prayers. Bowtwi ... until Imbus posted, and now you, I felt that I was the only one who had dealt with a suicide here at GSers and even prior at Waydale. I know I am not alone. I see how much we had the same concerns and even fears regarding those we lost. This thread finally brought the following to my mind: I will be one that is truly happy when all this pain is put away from us and we are totally and completely healed. I know that if not by the word itself, I believe in my heart that God will see to this for all of us. He loves us and there is no condemnation. I want to and have hope that I can stop condemming myself to fear and stop thinking that I am condemming my brother, who was the one whom committed suicide. Its not fair to those of us who are living or those who we loved who are not. I don't even know if I am thinking correctly but I know I have HOPE now. Whomever said "Love is the greatest power in the universe" I think it was Shuck I am thinking I can love unconditionally, starting with loving myself and what I mean to God to begin with it. Digi

Rascal ... The blue prints for the area should arrive anyday now .... Working on the designer bunker and tunnel system now .... Escape from any and all situations must be thought out in advance ... he he he Digi

Mr. Posh... You are a dear and have reminded me of some of the same reasons why we left. I was at the ROA 95. Whew!! I would not to have want to been bless patrol that week. Bless your heart for even making it through that week with your head on your shoulders. I recall the Yelling ..... I have long hair and knew I could hide cotton balls in my ears if I could just get the fortitude to have done that last ROA. Thanks for sharing .... DIGI

JIM Dear, If RASCAL has offered her abode to me, one wild and crazy gal .... Iam sure you must be allowed to come to the roast too ........ .... if you get into any trouble .. sshhhh .... you got my cel number ....sshhh .... we will sneak you in the back way !!!!! .... Rascal sshhhh you will help ... right? .... not sure I can pull Jim thru that tunnel by myself Digi

IMBUS ... thank you so much for your post. I felt I was the only one in the world who had been thru this. I really have thought about this many times and have discussed it with my husband and we have differed on some of our beliefs on this. Of course the conversation always goes back to those darn TWI classes. I can't wait to show my husband this post. He is not here and I know I probably should have waited to post until he saw it. BUT SOME EXCITEMENT HERE IN MY LIFE IN A POSITIVE WAY just from reading what you said :D--> :D--> :D--> It truly has been the most horrible fear, that I never would have had if it weren't for TWI. Thank you . Digi .... P.S. I'll let you know what hubby thinks after he reads your post.

Rascal YOU GO GIRL!! I was just thinking how many Pierre Cardin suits a MOG really needs. I don't recal Jesus Christ requesting AMBERCHROMBE & FITCH or anything like it. The man moved the word with the clothes on his back and the sandals on his feet as far as I can see. I would LITERALLY feel guilty if I were wearing name brand clothing my sisters/brethren paid for while they were getting ridiculed for the 2nd hand clothing that they wore. Ridiculed by some of the TWI leaders no less. But hey NO GUILT right, "one who sees himself righteous feels no GUILT". Well maybe I am not righteous then. This subject really irritates me, I remember being told to only witness to middle class believers because TWI had no use for the poor. Poor had no money!! They were a hinderance. We witnessed to everyone, anyone, regardless of where they lived, what they dressed like, and if they were jobless even. No condemnation here. I try not to be judgemental and exhorted our twig/HFC to be the same way. It irratates me that the money that went to TWI was spent so recklessly. Million dollar television camaras etc . Never ... Not a need, help out a single parent who is trying there best. You know the single mom who scrubs the LCs toilets for free twice weekly. There were many men and women who couldn't afford a suit or a dress for a class or an event in the latter years. Truly sad. Then ridiculed for what they wore. I remember when I first took pfal ... My jeans had rips in the knees .. No one cared!!. I was still paying of school loans at this point. What Happened? HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HELPING THE MINISTRY ..... HELP THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO HELP THEMSELVES I am off my soap box now Digi

Oldiesman .. "wouldn't even help one of their own peole" I was refering to a single mom with one child who gave above and beyond where many would have just found it an inconvenience. She loved to be with Gods people, to have good times with them, to help them in any way that was available to her. As any single Mom knows, who has no family near her, situations arise. This woman generally never asked anyone for anything but fellowship. Long standing with ministry she was. Catastrophe happened ...... There were peole who she fellowshipped with who helped her with all they had available and it was a blessing but current leadership for TWI did not. Secular groups donated to her ... we helped her ........ she got a new house built for her ... small but met the need for her and her son. In fact a non believer put his 5th wheel on her property so she and her son could live in it while the house was being built. She was staying with believers pryor to this for a short while. The present leaders refused financial support of any kind. The present leaders didn't lift a finger to help either. She left TWI because even tho no financial support came, she dealt with it ... No leadership came to help either. Jesus Christ washed the feet of his disciples. IMO TWI felt the leaders should be served and many expected service from the people. There were some who I do recall who were wonderful and really got involved in the daily activities of the people and shared their lives, knowledge and skills with them. Digi

Year2027 .... This is a great Topic thanks for posting it. I know you said your thanks, hope you don't mind if I carry on this thread a bit, I think its more appropriate here than in the GSers are possessed thread thats going on right now. There are so many fears that I and my family felt. There are so many fears that the people in our twig/latter HFC felt. I have another more personal fear that was brought up just yesterday. I am going to leave some of the details out but I believe the category of Possession needs to be looked at under the category of Fear. Here goes .... I am of fragile mind on this one just to let everyone know. I think the reason I can write today is becuase of another GSer who listened. Someone in my life committed suicide. I feel that this was selfish and it left alot of people to live with the pain. Regardless of the selfishness and pain ...... I loved him dearly. We were taught in the Advance Class (no matter which one you took) that for someone to commit suicide they had to be spirit possessed. Now when you think about someone you personal knew and grew with doing this or being possessed its scary. I have lived with the fear that this person whom I loved was possessed by a disgusting perverted demon. I want to believe he wasn't possessed. I fear because I want to know hes gonna make it to God when ressurected (sp?). I wish I would have never had the advance class just because of this one instance. Or any of the classes and events that followed for adv grads. Digi

Uncle Harry ... You were definately in the right. Nothing wrong with giving anonymously. We had people in our twig who needed every dollar they had. I never would have dreamed to ask them to pay for a money order, we just put all the cash together to get one money order to send in. ..... Now that I think about it I think in the mid 90s we had to put cash in an envelope with our names on it. I could be wrong ...... crumb I haven't filled out a blue form since 1997 ...... anyone else remember? Digi

I remember in 1992 I did a 10 mile run for Multiple Sclerosis and collected monies for the event. Only one person in TWI donated and I think he had ulterior motives LOL. Anyway I couldn't get .10 a mile out of anyone else in twi. I never asked any of them again. I finished in the top 50 of over a 1000 people and received a small tolken medal around my neck, thank God the people from work donated or Multiple Sclerosis foundation would have lost money on me. Posh ...... I missed the plurality givings when they stopped them. They were great. I remember doing it in the summer and putting out folding tables in the yard for everyone in twig. Neighbors thought we were having a yard sale LOL. TWI gave absolutely nothing ... wouldn't even help one of their own people ... their own had to believe for what they wanted or weren't a good believer. Shoot who would have asked? If you did, your life became an open book to be scrutinized. Digi

I currently have both those books ...... Passover and Promise Seed Lets wait and see how high the go for .... 76$ now ....... not even 3 days yet I also have VPW "Born again To Serve" autobiography ...... hmmm wondering now and much more!! But .. there is no way I would sell it back to TWI Now what about craiggers books .. I have those too .....guess there not worth anything LOL Digi

Abigal ...... I don't have the nerve right now to inflict any additional pain upon myself. So as long as you are doing the kicking .... I might as well turn around and let you kick me too ...... If you would do the honors LOL Can you make it a double!! LOL :D--> :P--> Digi

Oakspear ....... I am going to take you up on that Kazoo lesson .. Mo ..... Your are a must go. Would love to have you travel with me. If you don't go, I may have to find something to protest .... hmmmmm like Movies and Chinese Food :D--> Digi

Wayward ...... I am with you, I get peeved to. We had Stock .. Well Stock is income that should be tithed according to some leaders in TWI. Of course LCM went beyond TITHE with Adv. Grads and from about 1995 until at least I left in 1997, we were required to give 15% or better ... We were told being Adv. Grads we were at the point in our spiritual walk we could only get blessed if we were Abundantly Sharing, not giving the mere tithe. Of course we were confronted and sold our Stock and abundantly shared it ... argh ABS (Abundant Sharing) in craiggers time was a front line offensive move for him IMO .... probably because this is the period of time that the way corps were all on TWI payroll. My husband and I were just talking about the last Adv. Special we took. It was on the field in the Spring of 97, held over several weekends. In this video class craiggers writes down 15% is ABS for us to be blessed. Actualy said it should be 20% and started to write down 20 on his white board and then crossed it out and left the 15% up on the board. I think earlier in the thread someone said ..... Follow the Money ....... Isn't that where we will also find the evil in this case. Digi

I really liked Kill Bill .. Love to see a Woman kick a Mans behind .. Uma was GREEAAT Quinton T. is now one of my favorite film makers/writers/producers .... although he wasn't at first. I think Quinton is an aqcuired taste. You get used to him. At least thats what it is for me. I loved Reservoir Doggs, Pulp Fiction, Dusk til Dawn, and 4 rooms was O.K. His Dialogue and Music selection is fascinating and entertaining. Digi

Thank you Raf ...... :)--> :)--> That was great, just what I needed today! Digi

HOPE Histerical !!!!! I love to read ...... might have to check out Barnes and Noble for this one. Digi

Chas ..... Great Point .... Here is another from that class. Defeating the Advesary "the advesary accuses you of what he himself is" Digi

CONGRATUALATIONS LIFTED AND NADIA ALWAYS THINKING OF YOU TWO WITH LOVE IN OUR HEARTS YOUR MARRIAGE, LIVES AND LOVE ARE TRULY EXAMPLE FOR US TONY AND DIGI

Hope ..... Where do you get these pics from LOL ... Histerical .... he went from tights to a dress! he he he Digi

Hi WWjesuslaughat nice to meet ya: Rascal asked this question prior in the thread "are YOU going to be able to view a man with respect that you have been trained to believe is *benieth* you? Seeing as you are concerned about being unequally yoked with an unbeliever .... I would really give this consideration. He sounds like a great guy .... can you be that great woman for him if you don't believe he is your equal? Because someone is not a christian in their terminology doesn't mean they are completely an unbeliever, but of course I don't know all his beliefs, but really sounds like a nice guy. Digi

Rascal you are a dear... thanks!! Oakspear ..... I don't know how to play the kazoo ...... do lessons come with the kazoos? :)--> Its a great time of year to have it because its halibut season prior to it up here!!! I would love to bring halibut down and beer batter fry it for the weenie roast. Shell ..... I don't know how to have a weenie pull and I don't think I want lessons ... hmmmm LOL Digi

Rascal said... I`d have to say that the only thing *I* find to be *hopelessly repugnant* on this thread is.....whining ....... I have to agree with this statement. Could have been a great fun and discussion thread with many aspects to it .. I logged back on to read what I thought was going to be interesting and conversational. No wonder they think we are possessed!!

I would love for those of us in Alaska to get together some time.. Would love to hold a BBQ at my house or maybe rent cabins at the lake for the weekend. We live a ways away from others and it would be nice for us all get together. If interested email me, click on my name Digi

Rascal, Tessa was the friend in Tenn that I wanted to see as long as I was there .... Too Funny Digi