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Total WAG: George Mason?

Not exactly the same time period as Franklin and Jefferson, but a quasi-WAG: John Locke?

Yessiree. You're up.

During the time the author was a Roman Catholic, his conscience was so tortured by guilt that he reportedly would spend hours each day in confession, leading his monastic superiors to loathe hearing his lengthy daily litany of sins and to begin questioning whether the author were using confession as a means to shirk monastic duties. The author’s emergence from a theological and psychological dungeon was due, in part, to reading a version of the Bible produced by Desiderius Erasmus that contained a better rendering of a verse in Romans than the version in common use. Erasmus, however, became an opponent of the author in theological and ecclesiastical matters. In response to a polemical work by Erasmus affirming freedom of the will and criticizing the author’s views, the author penned a response taking on Erasmus, affirming the sovereignty of God, and characterizing the human will as corrupt. A quote from that work:

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A number of tunes are sung to Hyfrydol. See: http://cyberhymnal.org/tun/tun-h.htm ***** A little bit about the tune's author, Rowland Huw Prichard, appears at: http://www.songsandhymns.org/people/detail/rowland-prichard

The hymn is “God, All Nature Sings Thy Glory.” Next one is by William Dix: Tune: Hyfrydol ( http://cyberhymnal.org/mid/h/y/f/hyfrydol.mid )

I’ll jump in. I came across this one years ago in Bartlett’s (which presents it as being from a single section of a single work), though I saw something recently identifying it as a compilation of two statements in two of the author's works:

I'm up: The following is a relatively recent hymn written by a David Clowney, who reportedly was only 16 years-old when he wrote it in 1960: (Tune: Ode to Joy - http://cyberhymnal.org/mid/h/y/m/hymn_to_joy.mid )

"Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing." IIRC, there is also a revised version of this hymn by Margaret Clarkson.

Thomas, I responded to say I didn't recognize the hymn: http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=443661

Bump.

I don't recognize it.

WayDale was an ex-TWI forum very similar to this one. It's owner and/or his wife sued TWI and shut down the site shortly after settling with TWI. WayDale was not associated with Dale Sides.

I have heard a version of that hymn a few times, but could not recall any of the lines other than "May Jesus Christ be praised!"

By the way, John, thanks for your efforts. You and D. A. Reed are the only theologically capable non-TWI ministerial figures I can think of who have posted critiques of TWI teachings on ex-Wayfer forums.

IMO, LSG (Lynn, Schoenheit, Graeser) might have put together a doctrinal collection that is somewhat worse than the collection of the old heresiarch himself. Which of Wierwille’s errors, heresies, and damnable heresies did LSG give up? LSG retained Wierwille’s dispensationalism, Wierwille’s soul-sleep, Wierwille’s psilanthropism, Wierwille’s Unitarianism, and one or more of them seemed to outdo Wierwille in contempt for God’s sovereignty by journeying from Wierwille’s view of God as passive yet omniscient into open theism.

Thomas, I don't recognize it.

Should all ex-TWI leaders be fitted for propeller hats? ***** By the way, Who the heck is "Thomas Hegel"? I've never heard of him, though I have heard of the philosopher Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel.

Dr. Juedes, Good post! You have biblically supported your view quite well. Your view, in part at least, seems the same as Kline’s. My tentative opinion is that Kline is pretty good on stuff like this, though he possibly goes over the edge at times (e.g. his “framework hypothesis” concerning the Genesis creation account). Interestingly, Kline also maintains (perhaps somewhat speculatively, though I tend to think he is correct) that the spatial separation between Heaven and Earth will be done away with “at the dawning of the eternal Sabbath for humanity,” by which I assume he is referring to the eschatological establishment of the fully realized kingdom of God on Earth. I agree that there are one people of God and one eschatological collective identity and destiny for that people.

Happy B-Day, Linda!

I am eschatologically too clueless to get into much of an argument about this, but Meredith Kline maintains the New Jerusalem is the glorified church rather than a physical city, and is “imagery of the first level kingdom-city” that is utilized to portray the “glorified church.” From Kline’s Kingdom Prologue:

I don’t recognize it, but it's unlikely I have sung or heard anything written by Harry Emerson Fosdick.