WordWolf

But since your experience is extensive but doesn't support Mike's ideas, he'll pretend you never posted them or you never ran excellor's or ran them awfully or something.

That's how George Mueller operated. He had a simple faith, and prayed simple prayers like a child might, and got the results. He didn't need to wrangle about unwritten "principles" that contradicted themselves and still didn't do anything.

"Exousia" means "AUTHORITY", period. Only twi an ex-twi feel the need to add layers of complications and connections (like to "dunamis.") The concept of "authority" is not hard to grasp- which is probably why vpw had to add complicated stuff to it- to convince people to pay money for information on something that needed no explanation. --------------------- Matthew 8:5-10 (KJV) 5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Jesus heard it, he marveled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. ---------------------------- That man had supreme confidence in the AUTHORITY of Jesus to deliver that he was confident that- if Jesus pronounced the deliverance, it would happen regardless of distance and him seeing the result. The man understood how AUTHORITY worked- he gave orders, and they were followed. So, if Jesus gave the order for his servant to be healed, he was confident that the healing would happen due to Jesus' AUTHORITY to do so.

The key WAS "the little box where vpw wanted us imprisoned." As any sociologist or social psychologist (or cultural anthropologist) could tell you, repetition of social rituals is used as reinforcement to keep people in a group. The ritualized behavior- like excellors sessions- is substituted for actual thinking, which keeps one in the bondage of a group like twi. As for the alphabet exercise, that's the most blatant part for reinforcing a deception- it's obvious that it's used to reinforce a VOLUNTARY BEHAVIOR (otherwise we could not reproduce around a LETTER) rather than energize something supernatural. Most of us have moved on from the little boxes of twi- and the little boxes of people who chose their little boxes and want us in them as well. No, thank you.

No, he was quoting STARR DAILY, not vpw.

Cool World Brad Pitt Oceans 11

Not even close.

I don't think anyone in twi actually MEANT to fake it. All the social conformity led us to think it was ALL the "real deal." So, we did our best, for God and community.

vpw wasn't as good at faking the other 6 as he was "the worship manifestations."

"A mistake... or did He do it to us on purpose? Because I really want to know! Because if it's a mistake maybe we can do something about it! Find a cure! Invent a vaccine! Build up our immune systems."

I don't think I've done this song before. "Her royal blood didn't mean a thing, even though our first-born might be a king."

Cadillac Man Robin Williams Good Morning Vietnam

The annoying part is that I know that the last 2 actresses were in the same movie, but I can't remember what movie I was reading about when I read that.

Are we talking "The Santa Clause"???

Oh, and since, sometimes, there's people who fog an issue by misplacing where the burden of proof lies in a discussion, there's a thread on Burden of Proof- https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24437-burden-of-proof/

In the Skepticism was "Questioning SIT". https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/23944-questioning-sit/ Also in Doctrinal was "I Cot. 12-14". https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/23207-i-cor-12-14/ In "About the Way" was "SIT, TIP, Prophecy and Confusion" https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/23184-sit-tip-prophecy-and-confession/ as well as "SIT, Interpretation Prophecy and Confession, Reboot" https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24198-sit-interpretation-prophecy-and-confession-reboot/ All discussed here, by people familiar with twi and its terms and jargon.

This thread, "Speaking in Tongues", preceded the long discussions. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/17459-speaking-in-tongues/

Ok, Doctrinal.... In "Another Discussion on SIT and the Bible", there's links to a bunch of the other discussions. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24434-another-discussion-on-sit-and-the-bible/ https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/23213-sit-online-reading-room/ The SIT Online Reading Room had links to offsite references. https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/23940-yet-another-thread-on-speaking-in-tongues/ "Yet another thread on speaking in tongues" came after all the other threads were done.

BTW, I'll dig out the links to the discussions. The discussions in "Open" didn't address Doctrine (beliefs) nor About the Way (what does twi teach), and those threads are here: https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/24206-what-is-language/ https://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/23550-free-vocalization/

I know we had several discussions on the subject here- which is to say, several threads here on the subjects, from different angles. By the end of the discussions, I'd reversed my position. I wasn't the first person to do so, but I'm not sure anyone else did during the actual discussions.

The main page on twi is this: http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/cultsthe.htm I'm not sure what, specifically, you're looking for, but it should be there somewhere.

One thing he may have gotten from Starr Daily is the tendency to cheapen Greek study. No language is solely the construction of each word, each word can have meanings completely unrelated to their construction, especially over time. "Manufacturing" now means assembly lines and robots. The word originally meant "hand-made", so that's almost the opposite of what it meant once. But as someone who was neither skilled nor motivated to study language, vpw found the lazy method quite useful, certainly in practice.

The "from birth to the corps" papers were initially all to help vpw figure out who he could most successfully rape. It was only later that other uses, like possible blackmail, may have come up. Personally, I think I would have submitted a paper that was carefully written and 100% lies. After all, if they really need to know, I can't fool God- they'd get revelation on what I wrote. (And that was my thinking BEFORE all this! Aren't they glad I never signed up?)

Starr Daily had a goal, and, as such, he partly described sin correctly, and partly did not. Starr Daily was more about turning your life around- but he light-pedaled REPENTING. A genuine knowledge that you did wrong, regret you did, and asking for forgiveness, as well as an attempt to do better. If the wrong person reads what he wrote (like vpw), then it becomes a matter of "change your thinking and sin becomes grace". Also, when one sins, one does "miss the mark", but that's not ALL there is to sin. By reducing it to that, vpw made it easier to dismiss. Then, when vpw soften sin further to "BROKEN FELLOWSHIP" - a CONSEQUENCE of sin but not the sin itself- then it became easy to MECHANICALLY remove sin from one's THINKING. One need not dwell CONTINUOUSLY on the problem of sin and of sinning, but the opposite is at least as bad- being unaware one is even sinning. It's easy put one's conscience to sleep this way- and vpw sure did.

Take it, George.