WordWolf

Part of the problem here was that vpw's pfal was all over the map here. If you took "Living Victoriously", vpw said, in nearly each session, "There is a time for all things, but there is a thing for all times, and that is" and each time he said that, it was a completely different thing. He seemed to have been trying for a laugh rather than actually trying to impart some useful information. It would not surprise me if he was poking fun at his OWN tendency to blow up his own explanations by changing what things meant. I mean, if one understands material and then explains it, the explanations all remain consistent- and anything that follows will fit in with the previous explanations. Only people who don't understand something will end up with explanations that don't connect. Naturally, we then have people follow along to connect unrelated concepts and claim all of it was correct. It's like those people who analyzed the Beatles' songs. So the Beatles then did songs like "I Am the Walrus" and watched people try to make sense out of the senseless. So, in pfal, vpw said that God is Spirit, and that was consistent. But the rest of the sentence changed- "and God can only give that which He is" "and God can only communicate with what He is" and finally we got the chart you mentioned. To those who are paying attention, it's obvious he was improvising and pretending he understood all that at the time. Naturally, there will always be someone who insisted he was right each time, and somehow all of that actually made sense, and the problem is US.

"The Great Outdoors."

Happy New Year, everyone, and may we all be freed of delusions in the coming year!

I'm hoping this isn't considered obscure- the band sure isn't..... "Uno, dos, tres, CATORCE!"

Will Smith Wild Wild West Kenneth Branagh

Well, John Candy passed away in 1994. (I can check that without checking any of his roles.) So, It's unlikely the movie takes place after that (with him in archival footage.) Brent Spiner got famous in the 80s and got roles in the early 1990s. With these as the best-known actors, this can't be a Star Trek film. (Patrick Stewart's better known than the last 2 people he mentioned.) These are the best-known actors in the movie, which is what's stumping me. Any chance this was a remake of "1776"?

Right. He was the screaming teacher that seemed to care a lot. Sally Kellerman and Rodney Dangerfield had some cool moments bantering as well. Your turn.

This isn't difficult to understand.

False dilemma. Somewhere between "lives a clean life totally above reproach" and "he's a cannibal who rapes children" is where we expect most people, including most leaders. It's one thing to say he sins and is "weak", it's another to say he's leveling with people about raping and drugging his congregation, embezzling their money, deceiving them on his sources, committing simony..... It's ridiculous to reduce things to this foolish level, but everyone ELSE can see it easily, and it hardly qualifies as news. This is what happens when one tries to defend vpw and his rapes and druggings, etc.

"All You Need is Love."

Research Geek didn't address the Pike's Peak Seminary "doctorate." The place was unaccredited. That means they have as much authority to issue a "doctorate" as Schlotski's Deli. Princeton Theological Seminary is a real seminary that has no connection to Princeton UNIVERSITY other than both being in Princeton NJ. However, conflating the 2 when discussing vpw is almost de rigeur for some people- lcm did it long before you. AFAIK, vpw had a real Masters, but after that, went to a degree mill for his "doctorate."

Yes, that was Pete Best. I used to hear he was the drummer for the Quarrymen, the pre-Beatles band. However, he really did start for the Beatles, the Silver Beetles, and their other names before that. It sounds like local drummers had a lyrical feel for the music, but didn't keep technical time well, so professionals all thought they were awful. Ringo, on the other hand, had both skills.

Listen to the beginning of this song, then listen to the beginning of "La Marseillaise." The opening notes are the same. IIRC, they share the same 16 notes at the beginning, and diverge at the 17th note.

John Laroquette Stripes John Candy

When George posts lots of famous people, and NOTHING springs to mind, the answer is often "AMAZON WOMEN ON THE MOON." (Is it now? And George, it's your turn on several threads.)

"La Marseillaise"!

Mark Wedloe Roo John Dexter Slinky Lloyd Davis Michael Thorpe Johnny Stransel Billy Taft Robby Fielding Jody Larson Tim Oliver Willie Sharpe Randy Grainger Ralakili Conrad Wilhelm Gordon Eldridge Sgt Rex Spanner

"Good teacher, he really seems to care....about WHAT, I have no idea." "What's your favorite subject?" "Poetry." "Really? Well, maybe you can help me straighten out my Longfellow." "Actually, I'd like to join you, but I have class tonight." "Oh. How 'bout tomorrow night?" "I have class then, too." "I'll tell you what, then. Why don't you call me some time when you have no class?" "Alright. Maybe I will."

To be specific, his name is not "DAVE" anything.

Mike, for someone who tries so hard to convince us he understands pfal better than everyone else, for someone who claims that none of us understood pfal like we were supposed to...... surely you could avoid such an elementary mistake as to get "to whom" wrong. As you quoted, this was specifically for country coordinators, you said so TWICE. So it is addressed to whom? To the country coordinators. What about the "every born-again believer"? Well, any pfal grad should be able to explain that part, also. According to vpw himself, if there's a letter addressed specifically to me, there might be something you can learn from it as well, even though it wasn't addressed to you. According to vpw, that's how he explained "for our learning." [BTW, he was wrong, once again, on something there, but for someone who insists pfal is inerrant, that's not the point.] This was a closed meeting for the country coordinators, as I'm sure everyone else can see.

You believe incorrectly.

The thing Mike just can't get is that nobody CARES what vpw's final words were to insiders and the rank-and-file were. As for the commercial, it doesn't matter who it was aimed at, it was still a commercial. BTW, Mike's awfully ungrateful. If this really is THAT important, Mike should be THANKFUL I pulled it up and posted it. Why does Mike like to keep these things mentioned but never actually posted? Is it because the reality is inferior to the imagined value, and that's hidden as long as the original is hidden?

WordWolf: "Sometimes, Mike (and only Mike) insists this particular teaching has some amazing significance, because he says it's the last public teaching vpw did before he died, and, as such, is singularly important. ... Mike insists this was vpw's last public teaching (there's reason to dispute that), and that it's important (and most of us don't take that seriously at all.)" Mike: "WordWolf, you hinted a few times that you have information that this was NOT his last teaching ????" You quoted me above, and STILL managed to get it wrong. You removed a word. When you remove a word from the word of WordWolf, you no longer have the word of WordWolf. Last PUBLIC teaching. Others pointed out that the last PUBLIC teaching he did was on "The Hope." ======================================= Mike: "The significance of this being last is simple: it has VPW's most important message to us. Twice he taught us that he would want his last words to us to be his most important. Those notices are in the Green Book and in Living Victoriously. I have posted both texts here several times. */*/*/*/*/*/* ANOTHER point you missed, WW, is that this is addressed to TOP leadership." ========================================== Mike, you just proved their point. This was NOT addressed to the public, by your admission. It was "addressed to TOP leadership." How you can say that and contradict it in the preceding paragraph is really more of a Mike thing.

In case that's not official, "The Sound of Silence", by Art Garfunkel and Paul Simon. Next song. "Nobody knows what it's like to be the bad man"