WordWolf

While I heartily agree that the RCC's problems largely stem from their celibacy "discipline", I'm dubious that the subject NEVER came up before 305 AD, as that writer claimed. I Corinthians 7 seems to discuss it. There's verses on being married, and intimacy between spouses being expected and recommended for those with spouses. There's something on not getting out of a marriage. There also seems verses on celibacy- unless I misunderstand them. 1 Corinthians 7 King James Version (KJV) 7 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. 4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. 6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. 7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. 8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I. 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. 10 And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: 11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. 12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? 17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches. 18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. 20 Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. 21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. 22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. 23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. 24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. 25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. 26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. 27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. 28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. 29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none; 30 And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; 31 And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away. 32 But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: 33 But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife. 34 There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. 35 And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction. 36 But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. 37 Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well. 38 So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better. 39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. 40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.

As for motives, since we have so much information on vpw's life and comments, we can trace a relatively clear path, at least in his own words. We know that vpw told the early corps that he considered business, music AND ministry before going into ministry. (Yes, looks like he got into all 3, I know.) So, going into ministry was a CAREER decision, not a calling. We know that he claimed that in his first 2 years in ministry, each of those years, he seriously considered giving up. So, going into ministry wasn't about CONVICTION, but about convenience. We know that he took "Homiletics" or preaching, as his area of study- not "Bible history" or anything rigorous- he picked probably the softest option. When he was into his second year as a preacher was when he first heard the idea that the Bible was the word of God and that he didn't believe it prior to that. (We don't know what he based the first year's sermons on, but it wasn't on the idea that the Bible was really special.) We also know that he inflated his credentials- like when he claimed he took ALL of Moody's correspondence courses, but according to their records, he never took ANY of their courses. (They have records of all completed courses, and there is NO record of him having turned in even one course.) We know that, around 1970 or shortly thereafter, vpw began claiming he heard from God Almighty back in 1942, in a promise that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. We know that, according to him, his first thought when he supposedly heard that was that EVERYONE WOULD LISTEN TO HIM if that was the case. We also know that he's cited snowstorms that didn't exist to punctuate events he later claimed were important. In 1953, he went to a convention where he met JE Stiles and learned from him, later plagiarizing the entire contents of Stiles' book on the Holy Spirit for his own publication. Of that day, he claimed the city was in a blizzard, and planes, trains AND buses were all out. (There wasn't even a single flake on the ground.) When confronted with this, he never claimed anyone was mistaken- instead he claimed that angels answered the phones at the bus depot, etc and lied to him each time. All of that says quite a bit about the man, and that's hardly everything.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: "I'm glad I got in, and I'm glad I got out." I'm not aware of anyone whose story had NOTHING but negatives, but some people certainly feel that way after suffering quite a bit in twi. I think vpw had ulterior motives when he DID speak the truth, but it was spoken nevertheless. He benefited people almost accidentally- and partly to bait the hook with some food. I won't say there was NO benefits in the process.

Is this PAUL REISER?

Next one. "It is the oldest story in the book- he desires the one thing he cannot have."

When it comes to stories of "and a twi leader abused his office and sexually assaulted the flock", it all comes back to twi. He educated lcm and some other leaders that this was ok with God or that God WANTS this sort of thing, and they went along, foolishly equating every fool thing out of vpw's mouth with Divine Revelation (mainly because that's what he taught them to think.) vpw started it, set up the ring of silence, and set up the whole system to use to get away with it.

http://minet.org/www.trancenet.net/noway/experiences/jennifer.shtml After the 1988-1989 exodus, those of us who left had little idea just how bad it would get in the following years. Many of us had some bad stories (many more than others), but the real horror stories often came for insiders starting in 1990.

All right, then let's try... wait, that was correct? Ok, then.

Hannibal Gary Oldman Batman Begins

To make sure I don't bypass the answer, how about "BUMBLEBEE"?

Howard the Duck Jeffrey Jones Sleepy Hollow

I haven't seen any of the movies, but let's try the first movie called "TRANSFORMERS."

I don't know if it's exclusively American, but it's not just a twi-thing. I once had a copy of "Pocket Quips" (copyright 1984) https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11253742-pocket-quips-777-quotables and it said the following on applause during a sermon (approximately if not verbatim): -Applause at the beginning of a sermon is faith. -Applause during the middle of a sermon is hope. -Applause at the end of a sermon is love.

That's him. The name I added was "Frank Barone" , from the TV show "Everybody Loves Raymond." The only name I skipped on purpose was "Frankenstein's Monster", Moe Shrevnitz was the taxi driver in "the Shadow", and "Wizard" was a taxi driver in "Taxi Driver." Edsel was in "Speed Zone" (Cannonball Run 3.) Dr Sebastian Melmouth was from "In God We Tru$t" and so on.

Joe Curran Jack Mitchell Marvin Lucas Eagle Thornberry Barry Fenaka Charlie Datweiler Ras Mohammed Lord Durant Max Graham Joe McGinnis Andy Mast Frank Mazzetti Dr. Sebastian Melmoth Mark Sheppard Jimmy Ryan Jocko Dundee Cornelius Vanderbilt Cmdr. Lou Donnelly Jack McDermott Spiro T. Edsel Roger Boisjoly Arnold Teague Matt Duffy John Marlan Poindexter Fred Ford Justin Maciah Ron Rudman Frank Barone Gus Charnley Jay Glass Belted Galloway Detective Erik Lönnrot Chief Orman Captain Green Moe Shrevnitz Mr. Whittle Lt. McEllwaine Dr. Herman Cromwell Buck Grotowski "Old Man" Jeremiah Wickles "Wizard" Joe Bash Phillip Greenlow J.J. Killian Dan Breen Bill Church, Sr. Clyde Buckman Walter Eliot Father Time NOW you should get it. I added exactly one name.

Joe Curran Jack Mitchell Marvin Lucas Eagle Thornberry Barry Fenaka Charlie Datweiler Ras Mohammed Lord Durant Max Graham Joe McGinnis Andy Mast Frank Mazzetti Dr. Sebastian Melmoth Mark Sheppard Jimmy Ryan Jocko Dundee Cornelius Vanderbilt Cmdr. Lou Donnelly Jack McDermott Spiro T. Edsel Roger Boisjoly Arnold Teague Matt Duffy John Marlan Poindexter Fred Ford Justin Maciah Ron Rudman Gus Charnley Jay Glass Belted Galloway Detective Erik Lönnrot Chief Orman Captain Green Moe Shrevnitz Mr. Whittle Lt. McEllwaine Dr. Herman Cromwell Buck Grotowski "Old Man" Jeremiah Wickles "Wizard" Joe Bash Phillip Greenlow J.J. Killian Dan Breen Bill Church, Sr. Clyde Buckman Walter Eliot Father Time

No. I think Martin's characters tend to have more memorable names. In the case of this round, I liked Moe Shrevnitz, and had no recollection the character's name was ever stated in the movie where it appeared.

I remember someone once saying they became a big fan of "General Hospital" after being a big fan of a previous soap opera, so it can't be "General Hospital." Is this "Days of Our Lives"?

I'm a bit concerned for central Texas because I know people who live there. People everywhere panic and raid the supermarkets at the report of bad weather. That concerns me less nowadays because A) we're comfortable cooking or just microwaving if we need to B) I have some supermarkets and places to buy food within 3 blocks C) My neighbors don't worry about hurricanes because they haven't come this way for quite some time, if ever So, we get heavy storms that leave within 12-24 hours depending on the severity, in the worse-case. As for the rest of you, stay careful out there.

No, although you do know this actor.

Joe Curran Jack Mitchell Marvin Lucas Eagle Thornberry Barry Fenaka Charlie Datweiler Ras Mohammed Lord Durant Max Graham Joe McGinnis Andy Mast Frank Mazzetti Dr. Sebastian Melmoth Mark Sheppard Jimmy Ryan Jocko Dundee Cornelius Vanderbilt Cmdr. Lou Donnelly Jack McDermott Spiro T. Edsel Roger Boisjoly Arnold Teague Matt Duffy John Marlan Poindexter Fred Ford Justin Maciah Ron Rudman Gus Charnley Jay Glass Belted Galloway Detective Erik Lönnrot Chief Orman Captain Green Moe Shrevnitz Mr. Whittle Lt. McEllwaine Dr. Herman Cromwell Buck Grotowski "Old Man" Jeremiah Wickles

That's it. After Tommy's traumatic incident where he went "deaf, dumb and blind". he gained fame as a pinball wizard, and that led to his becoming a religious leader.

Got it in one. Last time I did a round on Pokemon, this took about a week. I suspect you might be getting better at this.

Ok, next movie. This movie's cast included Ann-Margret, Oliver Reed, and Jack Nicholson. The title character, among other things, becomes a religious leader sometime after becoming both crippled and a public figure.

Joe Curran Jack Mitchell Marvin Lucas Eagle Thornberry Barry Fenaka Charlie Datweiler Ras Mohammed Lord Durant Max Graham Joe McGinnis Andy Mast Frank Mazzetti Dr. Sebastian Melmoth Mark Sheppard Jimmy Ryan Jocko Dundee Cornelius Vanderbilt Cmdr. Lou Donnelly Jack McDermott Spiro T. Edsel Roger Boisjoly Arnold Teague Matt Duffy John Marlan Poindexter Roger Boisjoly Arnold Teague Matt Duffy Fred Ford Justin Maciah Ron Rudman Detective Erik Lönnrot Chief Orman Captain Green Moe Shrevnitz Mr. Whittle Lt. McEllwaine