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-There's a director and producer that worked on "Terminator", "Aliens", and "The Abyss". They met working on THIS film. (Not as producer nor director.) -The executive producer normally worked on lower-budget films than this, but the film zeitgeist that year suggested this setting of film might also be an automatic success if made, so he was granted a real budget for this one. -Among the extras was comedienne Kathy Griffin, in her first acting role as anything in a film. -A number of the special effects made for this movie were later reused in a low-budget film, as was the score (in that and in ANOTHER low-budget film.) -One character's assistants are named "Urim" and "Thummim". -John Saxon -Sybil Danning -Sam Jaffe -Robert Vaughn -Richard Thomas -George Peppard -This film was not a cowboy film. (This is a comment on the setting and the genre, not a comment on the dramatis personae.) -This film was not a Japanese period piece. -Despite being a rubbish negotiator, the protagonist managed to hire 2 people based on (1) avoiding being "bored to death", and (2) "a meal and a place to hide." "Is that real smoke you're putting into your lungs?" "Yup. And before ya ask, it is the worst thing in the world for me." "Well, I don't think you should do it."

"Too-ta-loo. Au revior. Auf weidesen. Ciao. Ding dow dai." "I can see!................Nope, I was wrong." "These are my most trusted associates. On my right, Dirty Ezio. On my left, Filthy Luca. " "Wasn't your... didn't your mole used to be on the other side?" "I have a MOLE?"

Right. Looking at all the usages showed at least one where there was no way whatsoever it could possibly mean that, but cg insisted that "katabole" which breaks down into "casting down", could not possibly mean "a founding" (which is what just about everyone else agrees it means and is translated that way), but rather an "overthrow", and then came up with a lengthy, circuitous, flawed set of teachings revolving around it. If he'd just looked at all the usages, he'd have realized it couldn't mean that. Even Bullinger- who believed that- noted quite prominently the verse where it should not be translated accordingly (which is odd but at least it's honest.)

Well, congratulations that your experience- in the "research fellowship" - didn't match mine -out there in the living rooms. Where I sat, we were encouraged to get the meaning, then read that into the occurrences.

"What part of Georgia you from? South Central?" "Oh good, they've opened the salad bar." "I should have never worn these shoes. They just don't match my purse." "I've been in here for a while. Perhaps I could be of service. Do you have any questions?" "What are you in for?" "Jaywalking." "Are you with me? Yea or Nay?" "Well which one means yes?" "Yea." " I hope's it worth the NOISE! " ]"Hey, Blinken!" "Did you just say 'Abe Lincoln'?" "By the by, do you know praying mantis?" "You're looking at him." "You vow, we move!" "Ah, RIGHT rope!" "I will take these cotton balls from you with my hand and put them in my pocket." "Yeah....whatever." "...Is that you?" "Yes." "What, back from the Crusades?" "Yes." "And alive?" ".......Yes." "A toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll. And if we don't get no tolls, then we don't eat no rolls. I made that up. " " {translated} She's got to be kidding!" "I object!" "Who asked?"

Good article overall. Over the years, some of the same points were posted here as well, which is a promising sign for those who thought of them independently and posted them. Our experience in twi was echoed there. One problem was confusing amateurs for real researchers. We ended up with some off stuff. With the "usage is more important than breaking down the Greek word into its components" department, we had examples like "ekklesia" - which is "assembly" by usage to everyone except twi and ex-twi, since they look at the components and see "called out" and stop there, ignoring the usages. An unrelated point due to amateurs running the show was how we ended up with things like the Intermediate Class including.... "The KJV says 'mortify' here. Know what that means? That means 'blow to smithereens.' " From the first time I sat through that, I knew it was wrong, since I knew "mortis" meant "death", and the Greek word was "nekrosate", and "necros" means "death", which makes sense. "Kill off" might be a fair translation for the KJV's "mortify". The only conclusion I can draw is that someone knew what a mortar cannon and mortar rounds are, and GUESSED it somehow related to the text even though they didn't have explosives in Palestine in the first century AD. They did have the "mortar-and-pestle" thing for compounding herbs and so on, since that's truly an ancient "invention", but that "device" had nothing to do with the verse, either. (I would have been a bit more understanding if they'd said "grind to a powder" rather than "blow to smithereens".) The sad part is that we had the capacity to look up the usages fairly easily- with either a Concordance or a Greek Lexicon, but we were never encouraged to read the context to determine the meaning- we were encouraged to get the meaning, then read that into each occurrence, which is backwards.

-There's a director and producer that worked on "Terminator", "Aliens", and "The Abyss". They met working on THIS film. (Not as producer nor director.) -The executive producer normally worked on lower-budget films than this, but the film zeitgeist that year suggested this setting of film might also be an automatic success if made, so he was granted a real budget for this one. -Among the extras was comedienne Kathy Griffin, in her first acting role as anything in a film. -A number of the special effects made for this movie were later reused in a low-budget film, as was the score (in that and in ANOTHER low-budget film.) -One character's assistants are named "Urim" and "Thummim". -John Saxon -Sybil Danning -Sam Jaffe -Robert Vaughn -Richard Thomas -George Peppard -This film was not a cowboy film. (This is a comment on the setting and the genre, not a comment on the dramatis personae.) -This film was not a Japanese period piece.

"What part of Georgia you from? South Central?" "Oh good, they've opened the salad bar." "I should have never worn these shoes. They just don't match my purse." "I've been in here for a while. Perhaps I could be of service. Do you have any questions?" "What are you in for?" "Jaywalking." "Are you with me? Yea or Nay?" "Well which one means yes?" "Yea." " I hope's it worth the NOISE! " ]"Hey, Blinken!" "Did you just say 'Abe Lincoln'?" "By the by, do you know praying mantis?" "You're looking at him." "You vow, we move!" "Ah, RIGHT rope!" "I will take these cotton balls from you with my hand and put them in my pocket." "Yeah....whatever." "...Is that you?" "Yes." "What, back from the Crusades?" "Yes." "And alive?" ".......Yes." "A toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll. And if we don't get no tolls, then we don't eat no rolls. I made that up. " " {translated} She's got to be kidding!"

Um, no......

That's him.

In fairness, everybody except their families tend to forget that movie.

No, this movie is better-known, and had a wider distribution.

-There's a director and producer that worked on "Terminator", "Aliens", and "The Abyss". They met working on THIS film. (Not as producer nor director.) -The executive producer normally worked on lower-budget films than this, but the film climate suggested this film might be a smash if made, so he was granted a real budget for this one. -Among the extras was comedienne Kathy Griffin, in her first acting role as anything in a film. -A number of the special effects made for this movie were later reused in a low-budget film, as was the score (in that and in ANOTHER low-budget film.) -One character's assistants are named "Urim" and "Thummim". -John Saxon -Sybil Danning -Sam Jaffe -Robert Vaughn -Richard Thomas

"What part of Georgia you from? South Central?" "Oh good, they've opened the salad bar." "I should have never worn these shoes. They just don't match my purse." "I've been in here for a while. Perhaps I could be of service. Do you have any questions?" "What are you in for?" "Jaywalking." "Are you with me? Yea or Nay?" "Well which one means yes?" "Yea." " I hope's it worth the NOISE! " "Did you just say 'Abe Lincoln'?" "By the by, do you know praying mantis?" "You're looking at him." "You vow, we move!" "Ah, RIGHT rope!" "I will take these cotton balls from you with my hand and put them in my pocket." "Yeah....whatever." "...Is that you?" "Yes." "What, back from the Crusades?" "Yes." "And alive?" ".......Yes." "A toll is a toll, and a roll is a roll. And if we don't get no tolls, then we don't eat no rolls. I made that up. " " {translated} She's got to be kidding!"

You did disqualify yourself. However, we might as well get this moving, so go ahead and tell them who also played Count Dracula and Skeletor in addition to Perry White.

"Well, I saw Perry White in the list." Yes, he's there. *doublechecks* Correctly. "Unless it was a voice actor in a cartoon," He was not- not in this case, and I'm not sure he ever did a cartoon. "the others I remember were John Hamilton (Adventures of Superman): very unlikely Lane Smith (Lois and Clark): also unlikely Laurence Fishburne (Man of Steel, etc): lots of roles, but I don't imagine him in all the "white guy" roles Glenn Ford (Chris Reeve Superman movies): that was my best shot. But maybe... Michael McKean (Smallville)? George" He's not in this list. These may well be all you REMEMBER, but you've actually left out one theatrical release. Run through all the Supermen, run through all the Loises, you may remember leaving out one pairing's "Perry White."

I agree that it's funny. I'm absolutely certain you've seen this movie.

Oddly enough, I don't think this actor and Glenn Ford have ever been in the same movie. (I could be wrong, but that's what I think, at least.)

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"What part of Georgia you from? South Central?" "Oh good, they've opened the salad bar." "I should have never worn these shoes. They just don't match my purse." "I've been in here for a while. Perhaps I could be of service. Do you have any questions?" "What are you in for?" "Jaywalking." "Are you with me? Yea or Nay?" "Well which one means yes?" "Yea." " I hope's it worth the NOISE! " "Did you just say 'Abe Lincoln'?" "By the by, do you know praying mantis?" "You're looking at him." "You vow, we move!" "Ah, RIGHT rope!" "I will take these cotton balls from you with my hand and put them in my pocket." "Yeah....whatever."

No, someone better-known, IMHO.

George Prager Ostap Bender Harry Crystal Akmed Khazzan Harold Canterbury James Tiernan Thomas De La Plata Leland Carver Jeffrey Roston Bob Alexander Noah Banes Vic Grimes "Wild Bill" Burgess Perry Needham Krohn Boris Balkan Robert Denright Blaine De Castillon Edgar Price Godfrey Winters William Paley Ned Bears Leonard Schiller Louis Zabel Sanford Marks Warner Dax Warren Burger Anthony Molina Sam Bloom Francis Tucker Tim Geer Michael Romani Carey Robins Harry Tass Jimmy Lewin Diego Vega Jean LaFitte John Adams Sherlock Holmes Frederic Auguste Bartholdi Jaro Essa Gerald Bull Goddard Fulton Jackson Burns Dr. Earl Hill Alex Segal Senator Richard Russell Commodore Francis Stoat After this, I go to the easy names, so I'm hoping someone gets it before then.

Ok, next movie. ======================= -There's a director and producer that worked on "Terminator", "Aliens", and "The Abyss". They met working on THIS film. (Not as producer nor director.) -The executive producer normally worked on lower-budget films than this, but the film climate suggested this film might be a smash if made, so he was granted a real budget for this one. -Among the extras was comedienne Kathy Griffin, in her first acting role as anything in a film. -A number of the special effects made for this movie were later reused in a low-budget film, as was the score (in that and in ANOTHER low-budget film.) -One character's assistants are named "Urim" and "Thummim".

I'm glad somebody got it. I'm not sure I've ever heard of the title OR the artist.

I don't think he's completing an entire Dirty Dozen. I suspect he's stopping at a "MAGNIFICENT SEVEN."