WordWolf

It's been a niche subject, but they've been discussing it (in small groups) since at least the early 70s and possibly sooner. So far, nothing like a big encyclical saying "Ok, now, everybody read up on this" or anything.

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He subject used to be called "Charismatic Catholics." You might find more information under that title. (Yes, they used "charismata" as the root for "charismatic" since they say those are gifts. If it's ONE gift, it may be considered A "charisma" per Christian, so, the title still works under the other system.)

I thought the "Hadouken!" Street Fighter reference might throw you off. Apparently, not at all. I didn't even get to use "Say my name!" "BILLY!!!" Took place in Philly. Miss Fawcett City? I do, at least a little. I STILL see the image up. I don't know why you can't.

Here's something that's not particularly old. "Hadouken!" "I can see why Rocky climbed up all the way here." "Hey, guys, can you shoot him in the face? "Yeah, yeah, shoot me in the face!... Wait, what?"

Dream Academy planned on calling this song "The Morning Lasted All Day." Once they added the chorus, they decided to go with "Life in a Northern Town." Personally, I thought "Life in Another Time" might have been more appropriate, but the band never asked me what I thought.

II Peter 2: 20, 21 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. vpw said that the phrase "private interpretation" would most literally be "one's own (private) letting-loose", and at length talked about how hunting parties let loose the hounds upon a hunt. The following verse shows that the point was where the "prophecy of the scripture" came from - not man's will, but God's volition. THEREFORE, don't take your personal interpretation and just impose it on something from God as you would something written by some poet. Of course, this means that when vpw was rambling away with his analogy, he was engaging in exactly what II Peter 2:20 said NOT to do! For those of us who have looked at his track record, it's not a shock to find another verse that said the opposite of what vpw said, especially what he said ABOUT that very verse.

I said that Martin Stein and his puppet didn't count because it was just a puppet of Stein, and then something else (not Stein) possessed it. I never said "Legends of Tomorrow" didn't count, and you never actually guessed it- you said you "were tempted to" guess it. The midseason ending show, "Legends of To-Meow-Meow" had Constantine struggling to change the timeline, and one of his many failed timelines resulted in Zari becoming a puppet in the jumpship, and Ray, Hank and Sara becoming "DC's Puppets of Tomorrow"- complete with a theme song, opening sequence, and so on. Actually, Mrs Wolf and I wanted to see more of that show. It was obviously a kids' show that taught things. Hank was teaching about history (in that episode, Napoleon), and Ray on math and science, and Sara something about teamwork. Raf got this round, if he wants it.

I considered that, but didn't think CARRIE FISHER was in this many roles.

Any chance this was DEBBIE REYNOLDS?

It was not an episode of "The Flash." What counts as a spin-off of Arrow is definitely open to interpretation. (Mrs Wolf and I certainly disagree on that subject.)

Sorry about the spelling/ I'm not interested in chick flicks in general. Sports neither, unless it's a hitting sport (boxing, fencing, TKD...) Give me a few hours on the next one.

Correct. Angel himself was turned into a puppet in one episode. George should be able to deduce what the other one is, based on what's been posted so far- by him and me.

This is a weird round, but this is what I want to post now. There were two shows, one previous, one current. Both are/were supposed to be action shows, of some sort, and had/ have some comedic moments. Both shows have something specific in common (and probably nothing else.) Both shows have had at least one main character TRANSFORMED INTO A PUPPET during an episode. Both shows can be considered "spin-offs" of an existing show (one of them was, the other COULD be considered one if you're very, very flexible on how you use that definition.) Name either show.

Right. It had a title role, so that eliminated a bunch of "sport" movies. OH! "JERRY MC GUIRE!"

Victor Garber wanted to leave the show, so Dr Stein was killed off (I would have liked keeping Franz Drameh on as Jax, however.) Later, someone wanted to help the group get some closure, so they made a Dr Stein puppet so people could say what they always meant to say- to the puppet. Later, a demon or something (dybbuk) that possesses puppets got ahold of the Stein puppet and took it over. But that's not Stein, that's "Mike The Spike", voiced by Paul Reubens (aka Pee Wee Herman.) So, Stein does not count, nor does Mike The Spike.

Right,

I actually like the connotations of "advance" over "retreat" and prefer it semantically. However, that doesn't change the fact that almost nobody else uses "advance" that way. (NYCoC did when I was in college, but that's the only other example I've seen.) "Opportunity" for "problem" is another good one. It helps to focus in a more positive light when taking action- thinking you can make a difference tends to make you more successful when you try then thinking you're hopeless when trying. However, twi made it into catch-phrases and excuses. "Being negative" and "thinking positive", as used in twi, were possibly good ideas if used carefully, but harmful as twi pushes them. It's of a piece with the Word-Faith movement in general, but twi specifically uses these phrases as waysider said- ignoring a problem, avoiding looking at problems, and avoiding PLANNING for problems because you had to "think negatively" to prepare for unforeseen problems. This was one reason twi'ers never saved money- and they were told to send it to twi instead. "Abundant sharing." twi was never satisfied with a 10% tithe. vpw tried it early on, and when he had the chance, pushed for more. People were expected to give 15% or even 20% AS A MINIMUM. ("Israel gave 10%, God expects more from us.") "Plurality Giving," Cover all your expenses from your pay period, then take all the money that's left and give that to twi. That was a phrase, that was a thing. It was even promoted with an "Acts 29" song about it. vpw really wanted THAT if he could get it. 10% tithe? Pshaw! If he could get 50-60%, he'd snatch that from anyone's hands he could. "Stand on the Word" often was used FOR cognitive dissonance, but didn't mean that directly. It was allegedly about following principles in the Bible, but in practice it was about following whatever rules twi set up, and obeying those without question. For that matter, "the Word", rather than "God's Word" or "The Word of God" seems to be another little distinction between US and THEM.

Right. Both of those are specifically expressions used by twi/ex-twi and by nobody else.

Manipulation of language is not exclusive to cults. Many people don't realize that's what they're doing when they do it. It's a Sociology/ Social Psychology thing. There are two kinds of people: US and THEM. And that's the line of demarcation. Groups that build loyalty and social cohesion tend to build on things that highlight and manufacture the differences between US and THEM. So, one of the very first things is the language/jargon. You can tell who is/was part of a group you're in based on the jargon they use or don't use (unless they're making an effort to avoid using jargon they know, which would be a conscious decision.) So, there's NEW words, and there's words and phrases that are used in new and different ways, and there's words which are used a lot and words which are avoided or deprecated. Ok, we're discussing examples from twi. In twi, "Christian" actually became a derisive term, a deprecated term. It was a term used by the unenlightened to refer to Christians, because it ignorantly referred to "Christ-in" without knowing it did so. (In reality, it did NO SUCH THING. For group cohesion, however, truth is irrelevant, and group dynamics are what count.) When rfr gave court testimony, the question came up as to what people were supposed to do if their orders from HQ contradicted legality. She gave an evasive answer that said a lot to those who knew twi. (If the thing had gone to a full trial, it would have been fun for the lawyers to question her directly on it-I think they were saving the fun for the trial.) She said she "expect them to do the Word." An evasion. However, according to twi, the most important tenet is to FOLLOW LEADERSHIP, EVEN OFF OF A CLIFF, and if leadership is wrong, then follow them anyway and "GOD WILL COVER." So, "do the Word" means "obey leadership blndly even unto painful death."

Ok, I can look her up now. *looks* Oh, yeah. She was on that show, "Empire", with Terrence Howard. Judging by that first name, I was almost sure she was in the Black Panther movie, but she was not. She was, however, the Mom in the remake of The Karate Kid Jackie Chan the Cannonball Run

This is a weird round, but this is what I want to post now. There were two shows, one previous, one current. Both are/were supposed to be action shows, of some sort, and had/ have some comedic moments. Both shows have something specific in common (and probably nothing else.) Both shows have had at least one main character TRANSFORMED INTO A PUPPET during an episode. Name either show.

The official title is "Istanbul (not Constantinople)", so you're correct. They Might Be Giants did the cover, at something like double-time of the original song with different instruments. The original was performed by "The Four Lads." BTW, it seems that the lyrics differed slightly. TMBG sang "Every gal in Constantinople lives in Istanbul not Constantinople.." The Four Lads sang "Every gal in Constantinople is a Miss-tan-bul, not Constantinople..." I think I prefer the original lyrics. The remake was a lot of fun, though.

"Been a long time gone, Constantinople Now it's Turkish delight on a moonlit night. Every gal in Constantinople" "Even old New York was once New Amsterdam. Why they changed it I can't say. People just liked it better that way." "So take me back to Constantinople. No, you can't go back to Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks." This song was a hit in 1953 for the original band, and in 1990 for an "alternative" band.

Ok, finished LoT and now I can read this thread again without (many) spoilers. Some thoughts.... Mrs Wolf was delighted that "the garden gnome" was among the monsters that needed a jailbreak. We've been waiting for that thing to appear since "Legends of To-meow-meow", when one timeline showed both Henshaws murdered by a garden gnome. If that thing took down both of them, it's a lot tougher than it looks. It's also neat that the Stein puppet is still possessed. I was really curious what it was going to do in the show, especially since it looks nothing like a monster. (Which, I imagine, kept it warming the bench.) I imagine being stuck in a cell with Ray could end up brainwashing VS or anyone else truly trapped with him. I was SO glad that wasn't a ploy to ride his escape. Looks like the brother is now a Legend, replacing the sister in the present. BTW, I called the "swap their appearances" as a legit plan as soon as it was clear Nate had to be snuffed. I was rather shocked that the team was neither trying CPR nor waking up Gary. Nora's new job has some discretion and leeway, and she needs to explore that more. Glad Tabitha's gone for good. I have to say, for a place so many were scared to be sent, "hell" seemed pretty watered-down. People there held down jobs and had entertainment. It didn't even seem to qualify as standard Purgatory. Frankly, I've been in scarier places. Then again, I used to ride the subway through the South Bronx every night, and I've seen Bea Arthur sing. The 3 bosses seemed rather blase and casual about somebody shoving all of them aside. They had NO plan to prevent that at all, and were fine with it? As an aside, as a DC fan, with 3 demons mentioned together, I was hoping for Abnegazar, Rath and Ghast. https://www.retroist.com/2019/04/22/whos-who-abnegazar-rath-and-ghast/ https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Demons_Three