WordWolf

The exact wording was never "and you put your trust in wierwille." It wasn't QUITE that transparent- as everybody else can see pretty clearly. HOWEVER, if anyone reading the Bible while it "interpreted itself" and came up with a different conclusion than vpw, vpw clamped down HARD on them, and that trickled down. The vpw way to do things was the ONLY way to do things. He was quoted on all sorts of subjects as if he was an expert on EVERYTHING because we thought he was an expert on the Bible. And there was plenty of NONSENSE among all of that. His conspiracy theories alone were enough to qualify him as an obvious loony. His crackpot ideas about medicine were, at best, HIGHLY questionable. Ever hear an OB/GYN doctor say that the only LEGIT craving a pregnant woman could have was for SALT? vpw rattled that off. Ever hear a medical doctor or a nurse say that there was no difference between starches or sugars and drinking alcohol? vpw said that if you had a piece of pie for dessert, you ended up consuming "more GRAIN ALCOHOL" than if you'd had a few drinks. (That made it onto an SNS tape, straight from his mouth.) Anything vpw said about the Bible was ACCEPTED WITHOUT EXPLANATION. I once made a point without prefacing it "and vpw said it meant this" because I read something logically. (Objective observers later said I was right.) I wasn't asked "Why do you say that?" I was told "you CAN'T say that." Later, someone tried to repeat that to me. I paused in showing them why it was sensible to ask "If vpw said that was the case, would you accept it without explanation?" "Of course I would." That was a Country Coordinator. I think you SAW, but did not OBSERVE. Even with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, everything's still being seen through the twi filter where vpw did no wrong.

I guarantee that the actors/actress who played Leo Bloom, Ulla, and Hans Liebkind- to name a few- are well-known and can be connected to other movies without a lot of thought. You would also recognize the name of the man who dubbed one of the German soldiers during the staged musical. ("Don't be stupid, be a smartie- come and join the Nazi party!" )

Trying to picture an opening with a slow reveal of an image. A few Batman movies did that, but with as many as 2 colors, not "several." "South Park" did that, I think, with an image of Cartman (or that was one of the promos.) However, that was animated and didn't have live actors, which eliminated this option. This was a movie with live actors. Which was made 4 years before "The Sound of Music." I need to bounce this off Mrs Wolf, but I'm not waking her to ask her. She knows "Sound of Music" much better than I do, and might remember the director(s). This is probably not a documentary, but MIGHT be "based on a true story." I'm thinking this is a musical with non-Caucasian characters, some played by Caucasians. (That's more common than the other way around.) *thinks* Is this "THE KING AND I"?

Rad said he was referring to NY'ers who left. He was referring SPECIFICALLY to NY'ers who left twi in 1988-1989 when lcm drew his line in the sand. He demanded an oath of loyalty from all the Corps and leaders at every level. Anyone who gave any other answer (I swear allegiance to Jesus Christ, we ought to follow God rather than men....) were kicked out of twi and their reputations were attacked. Since they were kicked out as a unit, it was easy for them to stay in touch and form a group of ex-twi-- especially when most of the state left with them when lcm announce what happened. About 80% of twi left in that year, more in some areas than others. In NY, AFAIK, it was more than 80%. I'm not checking up on what VF is doing lately, so I don't know who he's associating with or looking into other than ex-twi or twi-approved authors. If he's really opened his doors, that's probably a good thing. (Unless he ends up starting another "Momentus" debacle or "personal prophecy" or something.)

Well, anyone who said anything other than "I'm following you blindly, Craig" would have been kicked out at the time- as Lifted Up discovered when he spoke to lcm on the phone and asked him if he was demanding "an oath to follow him blindly," since that's what he sounded like. lcm said flatly that that's what Lifted Up was already doing. LU corrected his factual error by telling him to kiss his posterior and hanging up immediately. So, yes, any "leader" (Way Corps or person in any position) was, at the time, demanded to swear an oath of loyalty to lcm. So, any successor after that WOULD have sworn to follow lcm, while those who refused to choose any man were kicked out, along with anyone who gave any answer other than "I swear allegiance to the craig..." The other part was interesting. Having been kept out of the loop of those who left earlier and WHY they did (Ralph, JAL, etc), we had previously thought they had no legitimate reason to jump ship when they did. After all, if they HAD left for a good reason, we would have been told. After all, we were all interested in the truth, so why would leaders lie to us, or withhold information from us? (20/20 hindsight) And yes, it softened in different ways for different people over time. Some just softened it for ex-twi and ONLY for ex-twi. Others eventually included other Christians, and so on. I think more of those who became in charge of the splinters tended to be more "ex-twi only" and rank-and-file became more inclusionary of other Christians. Then again, a few erstwhile leaders made an odd exception to their "ex-twi only" rule- which led directly to the MOMENTUS debacle- for which JAL never apologized and he still seems to be selling it under-the-table.

There was this thing in some Monty Python skits, where a woman would say nothing all through the skit, while some strange problem appeared, and was eventually dealt with. As soon as the crisis was over, she spoke up- and started the whole thing rolling again. Everyone looked at her with anger, and she burst out, crying "But it's my only line!" So, without her line, she had nothing else to do there, so even if it was bad, she had to say it or she was useless and irrelevant. Even if the line was useless or worse. "They all just cannot let go of telling people they have the truth. Sheesh.... just go and live life!" But, but.....it's their only line!

An "opening" has to have SOMETHING to actually OPEN. We didn't have credits, dialogue, characters, establishing shots of scenery. What's left? A black screen and music. I think this movie's official opening was just a black screen and music. And it wasn't "2001-ASO." And one director seems to have made the musical "West Side Story" 4 years later. I've known a few movies to have an intermission, but actual music for several minutes at the beginning? I'm missing the important clue that was posted.

BZZT! Sorry- Nathan Lane played Max B in the newer Producers, and Zero Mostel played him in the original- which is why I made a point of saying it was the newer one. The newer one had a LOT more actors/ actresses known for other stuff. Select one of those other than Nathan Lane to proceed.

CORRECT! Rocket Raccoon knew he didn't have a human-length life expectancy.

Ok, we have a movie that begins with a few minutes without dialogue, and a long establishing opening (otherwise, the credits would be superimposed.) This could be for several reasons, but eliminates most movies for those reasons. Um, "2001-A Space Odyssey?"

No, And this was not a cartoon.

" Aww, what the hell, I don't got that long a lifespan anyway... Well now I'm standing. Happy? We're all standing now. Bunch of jackasses, standing in a circle. " "I have a plan." "You've got a plan? Okay, first of all, you're copying me from when I said I had a plan." "I'm not copying you, I have a plan, that's not that unique of a thing to say." "And secondly, I don't think you even have a plan." "I have part of a plan." "What percentage of a plan do you have?"

A long time ago, I was going to play in a LARP as a German with some resemblances to the Austrian Arnold Schwarzenegger. To try to get the voice down, I sat down with a VHS tape of "Terminator 2-Judgement Day" and tried to get the accent right. Eventually, I got pretty good at it. Some of the lines must have filtered through "by osmosis." I was focusing on the pronunciation, intonation, and so on.

Addams Family Values (Tony was one of the sailors in the bar Debbie went to. "Your husband is a lucky man.") Nathan Lane (the cop who Gomez yelled at. "Who moved the rock?") The Producers (the newer one- Lane plays Max Bialystock)

I wondered why that sounded VAGUELY familiar. I saw something on TV about Patton (Patton 360), and they mentioned his voice in passing.

Although the sad part (for them) is that this is all about decreasing numbers and delaying the inevitable. They're not joining up because they're currently leaders of growing church organizations. They're both drawing from the ex-twi crowd. That number is smaller every year. So, teaming up to put together the remaining numbers so they look bigger or to try to slow departures from their own groups, or something along those lines. twi is progressively less relevant (although it still wrecks lives), and its ex-twi groups are likewise becoming less relevant.

Matrix Joe Pantoliano the Fugitive

Those ALL sound familiar. That means I've actually SEEN this movie. "Terminator 2-Judgement Day"???

That's what happens when enough money/members is/are on the table.

I keep forgetting (or downgrading) the amount of plagiarism vpw did from Charles Welch. (Probably because he didn't use 2 initials like BG, JE, EW, EW,,,,) Thanks both of you. I wonder how Karl K is doing these days-I saw him adding some of his research there...

"King Saul and the Witch of Endor- did the Prophet Samuel Rise at Her Bidding?" "The Rich Man and Lazarus- an Intermediate State?" The latter is here- https://philologos.org/__eb-rml/

"Saul and the Witch of Endor- Did the Dead Rise at Her Bidding?" "The Rich Man and Lazarus- an Intermediate State?" Both by Bullinger, pretty much rewritten as the contents of 'ADAN?" The content was plagiarized, and even the "title with a question" format was ripped off. When I mentioned that, vpw defenders skipped over the "all the content came from 2 of Bullinger's works" and fixated on "the format was copied over" and took cheap-shots at me for pointing that out- which pretty much highlighted they couldn't dispute that vpw plagiarized about all the content off of those 2 works of Bullinger, so all they had left was to change the subject and insult me.

Scenes that slowed the movie down included the reading of Baron Beaufort Von Frankenstein''s will. (His distant relatives all got equal shares- unless, somehow, his grandson has decided to go into the sciences or medicine, and acquired a measure of success to counter what Victor Frankenstein did. Frederick was the 5th leading authority in his field- so he got everything.) I liked the scene, but it slowed things down. Then there was a merry highwayman who tried to rob the Frankenstein Monster- that scene didn't fit. The scene that showed Frederick smashing a violin +gave away he wasn't just a sane doctor. The actor who remained anonymous was Gene Hackman- who wanted to do the movie for FUN, and didn't want his name to distract the viewers. The director's way of filming was black-and-white, like the films he was spoofing. Gene Wilder's agent also represented Marty Feldman and Peter Boyle. The reference to "Darwin" was in Frederick's lecture. The annoying student brought him up. "Didn't Darwin preserve a piece of vermicelli until it suddenly seemed to move of its own volition?" "Are you speaking of the worm or the spaghetti?" "Why, the worm of course." "I seem to remember reading something of that when I was a student. But please remember, a worm- with very few exceptions- is NOT a human being." The 2 murders in this film- the Frankenstein Monster was hanged- but he got better, and the jailer with the matches who hassled the Monster until the thing choked him to death. Oh, and the scene introducing Inspector Kemp to Frederick explained his injuries- the Monster damaged his eye and his hand. Kemp was in one of the Frankenstein movie. Madeline Kahn got to sing on-key here, but her previous movie role was in "Blazing Saddles" as Lily Von Shtupp, and she had to sing somewhat off-key to play her.

IT IS.

For the sake of participating, I'll throw out one of my wild guesses and say "the Flip Wilson Show",