WordWolf

Then you were safe. vpw and his cronies targeted young females. lcm and his cronies targeted young females. rfr and her cronies ("the shrew crew", thank you Tonto), target females. Now that I think of it, it's strange you were even allowed to serve the head table.

when addressing the Way Corps live (and caught on tape while doing so), vpw was rather clear that it was intended to serve like the Marine Corps. He claimed that the US was able to get effective, loyal soldiers. His explanations after that diverged slightly in wording, but the intent was the same. "I thought, 'What about God'?" "So I concluded that the Army was greater than God, the Marines were greater than God..." Mind you, this was from a man who spent no time in the military, no time in the reserves, no time in the National Guard, no time in ROTC, and was not directly related to anyone in any of the above categories. So, his idea of what the reality of the Marines was, was based on old movies. That's why the Way Corps didn't actually RESEMBLE anyone's genuine military experience. But, really, what else is new? vpw always had an excuse not to do what he told others to do. Even when he told lcm to do the opposite, he did it again. When it was time to address a crowd in the rain, vpw said "if the crowd gets wet, so do you." The way to cement this would be to step out and introduce lcm. Instead, vpw stayed dry and shoved lcm out. vpw told people to hitchhike, and didn't do it himself. Sent people on runs- rode around on Cushmans and golf carts. Told people to go witnessing-and said an evangelist's job wasn't to get out there and witness, but to get others to go out there and witness. My, how CONVENIENT. Never did show chapter and verse on that one, though... The real apostle Paul risked his life getting out there.

Ever consider that twi pushed this "only read the Epistles" thing, and left out a LOT? The Gospels were not "written aforetime". THE GOSPELS WERE WRITTEN AFTER PENTECOST. ACTS WAS WRITTEN AFTER PENTECOST.

TLC, if you'll check your Greek, or, for that matter, your Concordance, you'll see that the "again" in "born again" is "anothen", which translates into "from above" sensibly and consistently. (Check your Concordance. Check your Interlinear. Check your Greek Lexicon. "Consistently.") John 3:7 and John 3:8 sure look like they're saying that "born again/born from above" and "born of the Spirit" are the same thing, phrased differently.

You mean, something like this? Step 1. "You can lose your salvation. Stay faithful to God." Step 2. "We can help you stay faithful to God. We can guide you safely." Step 3. "You're in danger of losing your salvation. Follow our guidance and you'll be safe." Step 4. "You'll lose your salvation unless you do what we say." Step 5. "Do what we say, or we'll kick you out, and you'll have no guidance to keep your salvation, and you'll lose it. All because you disobeyed us." It didn't take twi long to reach Step 5. Took a different path to get there, but the rhetoric was the same. Do what we say, or we kick you out and God discards you.

In a fraternity, it's an example of what's called "hazing." Hazing is illegal, and is grounds for throwing a fraternity off-campus, or throwing a chapter out of a fraternity (or not, if the fraternity is cool with it.) Colleges make a big deal out of it, and legal action can be taken. Some fraternities make a huge deal out of it. But in twi, it was business as usual. "They're feeling too comfortable- time for a little hazing to shake them out of their complacency..."

*checks* Thanks for checking on that. However, it's effectively the same as "do you have that channel?" The website wants confirmation you're already receiving their channel (or, more to the point, are paying for this channel.) If you're not getting this on TV already, you can't catch it there, either. Frustrating but true.

It depends. We've neither defined "salvation" nor what it would mean to be "lost". Based on the possibilities, I DO think the answer can be something besides yes or no- in fact, depending on what you mean, the answer can be both yes AND no, depending on what would be "lost". It's a little like discussing whether "immortality" would be a blessing or a curse. A blessing, if one has good health and excellent physical condition forever. A curse, if one has immortality but not eternal youth, meaning one's body got older and older, and at age 350 would totally look and perform like it's350 years old. Without agreeing on what "immortality" meant, either could be the result, or something else.

In case you didn't realize, a character name in quotes means the character was using that as an assumed name, like Kurgan as Victor Krieger in "Highlander." So, not the character's legal name, but a name they assumed (or was given to them.)

Mr I'm-the-super-believer wierwille was supposed to be Par Excellence for the so-called "law" of believing, the "law" that has failed so many people, so many times. Supposedly, his believing was the Top Tier on the planet, so it should have been a piece of cake for him to believe for more years. Instead, he died too young. In his final hours, he was STILL the captive of his own teaching- he was literally trying to figure out what was blocking his ability to believe for his own healing. Even as death approached, he wouldn't, or couldn't, be honest with himself. You don't have a "prison" of your own making, in your mind. You do, however, have a "prison" that HE made. Step outside of it. The entire "Word-Faith" thing has shown to be toxic. When people suffer, the "Word-Faith" people are REQUIRED to blame them, kicking a man when he's down. Miserable comforters blaming those suffering are as old as the book of Job. They were wrong then and they're wrong now.

No. He was pointing out that you're so locked into one or 2 things and only those, and trying to see if the answer is A or if the answer is B, while others are trying to present answers C-E. Wisdom often doesn't show up on demand. In fact, I've found insight tends to sneak in disguised as something else. "Some people can read "War and Peace" and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story. Others can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe."

The phrase "born again" is in I Peter 1:23, John 3:3 and John 3:7. (KJV) ================= 3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.=========== Looks like John 3:7 and 3:8 are implying an equivalency between "born again" (literally "born from above") and "born of the Spirit."

My 7th/8th grade History teacher (same teacher both years) would have refused to accept it. She had a rule which I've been thinking about a lot during the past few years. Our definitions were not allowed to recurse. That is, we were never allowed to use a word to define itself. (There's never a guarantee your audience knows the meaning of the word, otherwise why ask you what it means?) Most of the time, that was easy to work around. We all hit a snag on defining "fur trader" without using the word "fur". I wrote down "animal pelt" and others ended up using "hairy skin of the animal." So, if she asked you what a fur trader was, and you said it was a trader who traded in furs, she wouldn't have accepted that answer. So, knowing this, and knowing that the same issues of understanding occur all through life, I return to answer your question. To be asked what "incorruptible seed" means to you, and to answer with "it's seed that's incorruptible" is just to shuffle the order of the words you were asked. It answered nothing. If I had no answer at all, I would have left it unstated. If I was game to try to explain it, I would explain, that, to me, it means "[meaning of seed] that can't be [meaning of corrupted.]" Either is a legitimate answer, One just avoids answering if you don't have an answer, one is an answer. (There's also "I don't know", which is a legitimate answer but people seem to loathe to resort to it.) I find this sort of thing is actually an ex-twi thing more than anyone else- when dealing with adults. I've seen so-called leaders resort to dodging when asked questions about the party line when they were forced to agree with it while knowing it made no sense. They dodged in harmony, too. In fact, I was preparing to snail-mail some Saltine crackers to various leaders in reply to those comments when they suddenly all stopped parroting that same line and seemed to all reverse position. Then again, I encountered a different cult where they all parroted the same things as each other also, so it's really more a cult and ex-cult thing than uniquely twi.

Mark Pendel Arthur Kipps Ignatius Perrish Walter Mabry Nate Foster David Copperfield Allen Ginsburg Yossi Ghinsberg Sean Haggerty John Kipling Dr. Vladmir "Nika" Bomgard Alan Strang Maps J. Pierrepont Finch Billy Claven Rosencrantz Sam Houser "Igor Straussman"

The original cartoon was "Dragonball." The main character was Son Goku, a boy who was from another planet and was super-powerful. He was partly inspired by legends of Sun Wukung, the Monkey King, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Wukong and Superboy. He was a Saiyan, and Saiyans are born with tails. When they see a full moon, they turn into King Kong's bigger brother unless their tail is removed (they change back to humanoid if it's removed from Emperor Kong.) The show had a kid who was a stranger to Earth customs AND was super-powerful, plus the sub-plots involving the other characters hunting for the Dragonballs. If you collected the 7, you could summon the big dragon and get a big wish granted or something. The wishes were only grantable once (if you wished for your friend to be returned from the dead and they died again, then you couldn't rewish them back) and the dragon was summon-able once a year. Sequel cartoons included Goku as an adult (Dragonball Z), and later ones included the next generation of kids like Gohan. ("Gohan" translates into English as "rice.") (I'm leaving out a LOT in the descriptions.)

Oh. The adventures of Superboy if he had a tail! I've seen some of those.

"Born again of incorruptible seed." What does it mean?" "To me, it only means the seed is incorruptible. It may mean more than that, but I don't actually know that for sure." There's not answering something, and there's pretending you answered something. If you don't want to address the question, it's ok to leave it alone. But "ducking a question" like this is a politician's strategy for deceiving people and getting them to like him. It's neither needed here nor preferred, and it isn't a good fit for "a discussion forum."

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I mentioned much the same myself, and I thought everybody else thought it didn't make sense. (I don't "SIT" for the reasons vpw gave because it isn't what vpw said it is. It has legitimate uses, so I use it other ways.) I thought that was just me.

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What little we did hear was long ago, but a few years after he was pushed out of twi, and living in a rent-free house with a doctor there to oversee him, He did apply for a position as a personal trainer at a local gym that had personal trainers. His notice was typed in all caps and spent as much time in self-aggrandizement as in being relevant to the position. It's entirely possible for someone to turn around, but it would not surprise me if he did not. First, you have to be able to be humble and admit that YOU were the problem at least some of the time- and that seems beyond him. THEN he can get to how his many faults were used to manipulate and later oust him completely. There's potential for him to get humble, go to a local church as a parishioner, get involved at the lowest levels, and finally mature and grow from there- but I don't see him "getting humble" because I think he thinks he doesn't need to grow. That would sentence him to spending the rest of his life as he was.

"Avatar-the Last Airbender" spawned a live-action movie and at least 1 sequel (Legend of Korra.) I didn't know about 2 other sequels.

By "departure from the show's history", did you mean the Asian main character was played by a Caucasian? That sometimes causes fights, whether in a Broadway show or in a cartoon-made theatrical movie.

I am adding my own OPINION when I say "we should WANT TO walk in love." I explained WHY we should want to. (It pleases God, and it's the right thing to do-which is why is pleases God.) I thought this was actually beyond dispute and that Christians would stipulate to that without an argument. (No, we shouldn't, no it does not please God, no, it's not the right thing to do...) I made that clear by not putting my OPINION in quotation marks. Really, junior high school English rules should make that clear. ============================== As for Bullinger and definitions of "other" and "another", he's defined "heteros" and "allos" completely differently in 2 ways. A) "Heteros" means "another of a different kind" and "allos" means "another of the same kind." This is consistent through the Bible. (One usage is in Galatians 1, the warning against being drawn to "another gospel which is not another". "Another/heteros gospel which is not another/allo", or "a different gospel with is not of the same kind", which sounds redundant when rendered plainly. Then again, if you accept "pleonasm" as a legitimate figure of speech as Bullinger did, that's just fine.) The other usage was to say one was "another when there are exactly two" and the other was "another where there are more than two." That actually is not used consistently in Scripture, and that was pointed out here, long ago. (Someone said that the mention of cheeks should obviously refer to two since a person has exactly two, but the Greek word used was the other, and so on.) I haven't looked into that one for something like 20 years because that definition seemed both INCORRECT and SUPERFLUOUS. The usage of "same kind" and "different kind" was consistent, sensible, and easy to demonstrate. So, in other words, I say Bullinger was correct in his OTHER (heteros, different) definition, and not in this one. Since the definitions contradicted each other, it seems evident at as many as one could be correct (both could have been wrong, or one could have been wrong, but since they contradict, they couldn't both be right.) ================================== There's this thing that's actually pretty common among ex-twi splinter leaders. It's a false bifurcation that's based on over-compensation. They take one extreme position on something, see that there's problems with that extreme position, so they conclude that the polar opposite position must be true, and skip over the problems with that extreme position. We saw that when Geer attempted to reconcile God's Love and God's Omnipotence with the continued existence of evil. (This is a very old question, and smarter men than him have hit the reefs on it.) Time Magazine addressed this same problem once as their cover story. They claimed that any TWO of those could operate together, but that all 3 could not. If God was Omnipotent and evil existed, He wouldn't be Love because He'd be fine with evil existing. And so on. Geer decided that the issue could be decided by rejecting God's Omnipotence. Specifically, he rejected God's Omniscience, His "All-Knowingness", if you please. He imposed that explanation on Scripture, and mangled Genesis 3 to claim it supported his assertion when it actually did the opposite. In this case, the problem was looking at vpw's proclaimed grotesque position that- once one is saved, one can sin with impunity without any significant consequences and God would just let it go because you have Eternal life and Incorruptible seed. Well, the seed won't corrupt, the life won't end, but that's hardly the same as saying there will be no consequences. I'm confident there will be severe consequences but that they won't end eternal life or rot incorruptible seed. If you like, we can get into this in a Doctrinal thread. Personally, I think it doesn't matter because of the results. If I'm planning on backstabbing God, the actual consequences won't scare me into a turnaround. And if I don't, then it doesn't matter what the penalty would be for doing so. (I don't care about the legal penalty for counterfeiting because I have no plans to ever counterfeit.) In other words, no, I don't think that we have "a guaranteed place in Heaven." I think we have "eternal life" and "incorruptible seed". None of that guarantees "Heaven." That was what vpw referred to (incorrectly) as "private interpretation" no matter how many people taught that in twi.

Really, thanks for the clarification. The group sounded VERY different before and after that little addendum.