WordWolf

Nuts. I recognize the second name but NEVER saw that show. And where I've heard the first name's eluding me. I hope it comes to me soon....

An eyewitness once told me that vpw showed them a cache of materials (basically books) that vpw used as his originals- that he read over the work of these other books by accomplished Christians, and worked up his teachings from there. It should surprise nobody by now- he used to rip off the people he supposedly edited when he was small potatoes. In hindsight, it explains why his presentation style was all over the map- he just copied the presentation style of any presentation he ripped off! So, at times he sounded academic, at times evangelic, at times cold, at times warm, at times simple, at times exquisitely elaborate. All straight out of someone else's playbook.

No. Apparently, not capable-or simply unwilling- to have a discussion. This is a thread about Caiaphas' prophecy. We're at least TRYING to discuss that. If all you want to post about is whatever you want to post about, you already have a thread for that. If you're posting on this thread, it's expected that it be in some way related to the actual subject of the thread. Otherwise, it would be reasonable for us to conclude you're either trolling or here solely for advertising. (That's not even addressing factual errors, which would address a derail off the topic.)

There's a certain irony in that. In the Mosaic Law, a supposed prophet who misses by ONE PROPHECY had, by definition, not spoken from THE LORD, and was to be put to death. vpw spoke a prophecy to you from his arrogance, and dropped dead a few years later. In fact, the cancer was already attacking cells of his body when he said it...

This was the first post in the thread. The current round leaves us 3 short of the 3 roles or 3 actors to begin a round. Can we get them?

That's it. I hear the movie's a LOT more survivable than the book, where her incessant internal monologues make her out to be even MORE vapid, MORE bland, and MORE senseless than the movie. As it is, the movie is VERY mockable.

"Big Bang Theory."

In this TV-movie, a Seattle hospital has a young surgeon, the daughter of a current surgeon, whose bland lack of personality hides her indecision as to whether or not she wants to try S & M with this tie-obsessed millionaire she just met.

"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women." "Say 'hello' to my leetle friend!"

It does, and some are demonstrably wrong. (Someone who care can start a thread on them.) Even cg added to them, saying vpw said we knew 16 and taught those, and since we knew 20 at that time, he would teach those. He also rephrased a few in the process so they made more sense, then later made more tweaks that made less sense. He added stuff like "revelation given once is specific to the place and time it is given." Yes, nothing truly deep, nothing "KEY." I would accept them being called "rules of thumb" and open them up to discussion. For one thing, the supposed supporting verses usually DIDN'T. That was obvious with the "SIT daily is required for revelation" one, since it's not required at all, and never was required, and no verse even suggests it. All the hype about "signs, miracles, wonders." How about THIS, even one time? "All right class, we've been discussing Gifts of Healings for several days, with examples from Scripture, modern anecdotes, and explanations in the modern vernacular. However, nothing takes the place of practice. So, we have brought in these volunteers from the local hospital. I have explained the situation, how we can't promise we will heal them fully, but that we will at least do no harm and they may be healed, in whole or in part. I will demonstrate with the first person, then I will take volunteers and guide each through work with one of the others until we are done." Now THAT would be "Advanced" teaching of healing. A man who supposedly, healed THRONGS of COMPLETE STRANGERS and non-Christians should have found that a piece of cake to perform. Too bad he was a fraud when it came to healing and miracles.

Nothing so family-friendly. And wrong accent.

You're not retrojecting. (I don't think; I can't see you through the screen.) vpw was always fond of ONE standard for HIMSELF, and ANOTHER standard for EVERYONE ELSE. Simply put, he apparently thought he was better than everyone else and deserved better than everyone else. In this particular case, it gave him the luxury of SUPPOSEDLY knowing his stuff more than us, and to prevent us from doing our own investigations and finding out how full of baloney he was in his retold tales, told as if they were HIS stories and not those of others.

(Here's what I remember offhand, in no particular order... To receive revelation, you must first be meek. Stand fast on what you have received. Don't wait for God to repeat Himself, obey the first time. Speaking in tongues daily is prerequisite to revelation. Study God's Word daily. What you can know, God expects you to know. Travel light. Don't argue with God. Inspired action and/or utterance may be required. Revelation may come at unlikely places or unlikely times. When you stumble, get back up. Walking requires a learning process. Sometimes it is necessary to put unbelievers out of the room. Revelation given once may change. Revelation given twice is established. Don't be deceived by the 5 senses. Action precedes results. Believing without works is not believing. Wait until "green light" revelation. Do not tell all that you know. Receive the word of wisdom.) Make a new thread if you want any more.

In this TV-movie, a Seattle hospital has a young surgeon whose bland lack of personality hides her indecision as to whether or not she wants to try S & M.

"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."

Inconceivable! That's "the Princess Bride, by S. Morgenstern."

I'm chagrined I hadn't noticed the first 2 things you've mentioned, despite discussing that show aloud. (I had fun, for example, discussing the AD&D Character Alignments that should be assigned to each regular character.)

That's a good point. It is difficult, at times, when trying to separate exactly what vpw really believed and what he merely professed. He explained the concept of "mental assent", where one holds an idea but never acts on it- and he was well-versed in the concept. We know that vpw chose ministry as a career path, and one no different from show business or business administration. He LATER built up that he was impressed with holy vocations, but we know he didn't have those convictions through his entire schooling. By his own admission, he was working as a pastor for a year and doing weekly sermons for a year BEFORE BELIEVING THE BIBLE WAS THE WORD OF GOD. So, he had no trouble preaching what he didn't believe. He did it lots of other times as well- like when telling people not to fool around outside of marriage WHEN IN PUBLIC but RECOMMENDING to others that they should fool around outside of marriage WHEN IN PRIVATE. We know his approach to "discerning of spirits" was partly rote repetition and spitting back the contents of books like "Angels of Light" and others, and partly designating targets from afar and announcing they were under demonic influence (a practice not that different from "Angels of Light".) When approaching the work of CHARLATANS exercising sleight-of-hand to perform "supernatural" feats, he pronounced them as genuine spiritual phenomenon, albeit evil ones. He even claimed to have attended at least 1 seance and having "shaking hands" with a materialized spirit, describing the sensation later. "Ever shake hands with someone who doesn't shake hands?" Either all of that was ripped off of someone else's account (common practice for vpw), or he was able to attend a seance, and have someone do all sorts of demonic supernatural phenomena in front of him, all with him either UNABLE to do anything to disrupt it from his chair (a spiritual weakling of the first order), or UNWILLING to do anything to disrupt it from his chair (demonstrating spiritual sloth and apathy and a weakness for sin of that type.) So, in this, was he a major liar and deceiver, a spiritual FRAUD? Or was he a spiritual WEAKLING? Or was he spiritually bankrupt of caring about the things of God even when an injustice was literally in his face? That's all the possibilities, and all of them are bad. (Those who object to those possibilities, I point out that you have to find another possibility that actually can explain what did and did not happen as opposed to just disliking the options. We had that once where there were 2 options, both bad, and a poster responded by calling me the devil and refusing to refute the facts AND the conclusions.)

"I'll have what she's having!"

If anyone wants to get into whether or not the 9 are available now, please take it to Doctrinal. There's been at least 1 thread about it, and you can start a new thread or revive an old thread on it. Either way, it's irrelevant to the thread I want, because it's a non-issue RELATIVE TO THE THREAD. (I add that last part in deference to those who then turn around and say "You said the 9 are a non-issue" and so I will help shore up their deficient reading comprehension skills.) ================================= Whether or not the 9 are available now or common now as real things, it should be obvious that it is possible to at least TRY to fake them. Did vpw fake his way through all 9? I believe the evidence is that he did. What he did certainly could have been fakes of them. Let's go through them and see what he did. Speaking in tongues- despite his claims that it was impossible to fake, it is very possible to fake. Small children play games with non-word syllables that resemble words. Actors train with them in learning the basics of performing. And charlatans can do it, too. So, vpw certainly could have done the sounds. Could he have sounded convincing when he did? He sounded sincere when he told the CFS class that men shouldn't "help themselves" to a woman, but he was doing exactly that while saying it was wrong. So, he could sound sincere regardless of the truth of what he was saying. WOULD he have faked SIT? ACCORDING TO HIM, HE FAKED IT. His account of the 1953 conference where he met Stiles included some Christians trying to lead him into SIT, and him deliberately faking it. Did he fake it to them? Either he did and admitted it, or he claimed he did and was fine with the idea that he'd faked it. Furthermore, his actual incidences of SIT always seemed rather limited. All the recorded incidents I've heard of him always had the same exact syllables, regardless of decade, audience, and situation. "Lo SHANta mala ka SIto la SHONta." The man who supposdely led us into it seemed to be stuck on producing exactly one sentence. And he was the instructor! Interpretation of tongues and prophecy. To fake those would require: -a willingness to fake it and sound like he wasn't -an ability to speak with conviction -an ability to extemporize messages supposedly from God A number of people have admitted being aware they'd faked it during their twi time. It's actually easy with the right environment, the right instruction, and samples of what it's supposed to sound like. Some said they weren't aware-some of the time-they were faking it, but other times they were very aware they composed the message. vpw certainly could have spoken convincingly, and claimed it was from God. Word of Knowledge, Word of Wisdom, Discerning of Spirits. vpw definitely faked Word of Knowledge. First of all, his definition was rote and didn't match reality- he required it be information that it was PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to know by the 5 senses. Rather, it would be information you didn't know by the 5 senses, whether you could have known it that way or not. So, he seemed to lack a practical understanding of how it worked, and relied on Leonard's definition and anecdotes. vpw made a point of making vague statements without any backing, and led people to think it was Word of Knowledge or Word of Wisdom when it was actually ignorant and unwise. He had a hotline to some tinfoil hat conspiracy nuts, and used their "inside" information to claim he had an inside track to God Almighty. But he was often wrong with them. His vague, context-less statements left people thinking he perceived things they didn't, but he really didn't. He even lacked the conventional wisdom to lay off the tobacco and alcohol that degraded his body and eventually killed him. As for discerning of spirits, his vague pronouncements were meant for that as well, but they were often wrong. Worse, when teaching on the subject, he used examples that CHARLATANS did using SLEIGHT OF HAND and claimed they were legitimate supernatural occurrences. So, it's plain that vpw couldn't discern spirits, either. Faith, working of miracles, gifts of healings. In twi, vpw gave many anecdotes about these, but actual eyewitnesses seemed to be absent. In far-off India, when and where it was impossible to interview neutral witnesses, vpw was an INCREDIBLE healer who had crowds FLOCK to him for healing. However, he couldn't even heal crippled people attending ROA specifically FOR healing, who were convinced he could heal them. It's also worth noting that he wore glasses as the years passed, and that he died of a lingering illness. If the man lived up to his own hype on healing, either was a correctible problem. As for miracles, he was, again, big on talking about them, but the rank-and-file never actually SAW him perform any. So, in conclusion, vpw could have faked it all, and I think the evidence supports the idea that he DID fake it all.

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Was "the Shawshank Redemption" really that good? Seems like a lot to live up to.

You had me on 1/2 of it. On later reflection, I have an idea. "Fast Times at Ridgemont High Noon." (I was trying to remember a movie ending in "fast.")

I've got that it's not in the US, because the US is 120 V and a lot of other places use 220 V. "The Great Hotel Budapest"? (Or however it's titled.)

I don't think they "MUST", but it's not a bad idea if they have the time. The "Eyewitness" threads were meant to help us fill in the blanks for each other and help form a more complete picture of what happened, and when. The 1966-1975 thread: The 1976 thread: The 1977-1980 thread: The 1981-1984 thread: The 1985 thread: The 1986-1988 thread: The 1989-1992 thread: There were other threads with twi history, but that was it for this set. (The thread for before 1966 never got an informative reply.)