WordWolf

Slogans like how spiritual knowledge supersedes the natural world, intellect and common sense. So, ignore the natural world and the blowing snow-the "spiritual knowledge" is that you act now! Then, when disasters strike and people get frostbite and snow-blindness and other stuff, it's all your fault because you failed to believe sufficiently to deflect the natural consequences of following the stupid instructions. twi won either way, so long as they could use SOMETHING as a bludgeon to get you all to obey, whether it made sense or not.

It was a poor word choice. Someone reading fast might have come away with the idea that indisputed fossils of human giant skeletons had been uncovered and were being found all over the place. ("All over the place" is probably an exaggeration of what happened, but that is what Steve was saying.) It may or may not have been BELIEVED that the fossils being found were human giant skeletons. If the fossils were being found. My comment was that-- if well-meaning and gullible translators thought that giant skeletons were uncovered- that they would have mistranslated the nephilim references because they THOUGHT the fantastical translation was correct and referring to the fantastical remains of fantastical creatures. Either way, I think the evidence is that the translators goofed for some reason and ended up with a fantastical reference there rather than a more direct translation, and gullible people ran with it. We got the same thing when the Septuagint's "monokeros" (one-horn) was transliterated into the Latin "unicorn" (one-horn) rather than the powerful animal it sounded like it described- the "rhinoceros" (nose-horn.) Then people came along and thought it was describing a horse with a horn, and all sorts of hijinks ensued.

Well, I can't argue that. This, then, would be the cue for Steve to support his claim or withdraw it. Removing any reference to it, then, brings me back to my previous point about being more concerned with sloppy translators and the simple expedient of correcting a translation rather than some exposition circling around a more colorful claim.

"Bumbaway achuna. Bumbaway achuna." "Nice to meet you. Bumblebee tuna. Bumblebee tuna." "Worry not, my brother. For I will be as a fly on the wall - a grain of salt in the ocean. I will move amongst them like a transparent...thing." "I'll have you know that I have the reflexes of a cat and the speed of a mongoose. Throw it. I DARE YOU!" "Equinsu ocha!" "What does "equinsu ocha" mean?" " "White devil"." "Well, tell him I'm not." "I only met you. How do I know?" "Equinsu ocha! Equinsu ocha!" "He said..." "Let me guess. "White devil, white devil"?" "Well, everything here seems good! Big load off my mind, aw God. You can speculate all you want, but unless you check it out for yourself, you never know! We should head back now." "Don't you think you should investigate?" "There's no reason to go in there. Ever. I sense it as a holy man." "But I thought you said..." "It's DARK! I could fall into a precipice!" "YOU must be the Monopoly guy! Hey. Thanks for the free parking." "Isn't this incredible? IT'S GONNA BE SOME KIND OF A RECORD! Everyone loves a Slinky, you gotta get a Slinky, Slinky, Slinky, go Slinky go!"

The fossilized bones Steve just mentioned. I was taking it as a given that they existed and were found and discussed as he said. Was that an unwarranted assumption?

Was that "The Father Dowling Mysteries"?

You were less far away with "Tropic Thunder."

"Bumbaway achuna. Bumbaway achuna." "Nice to meet you. Bumblebee tuna. Bumblebee tuna." "Worry not, my brother. For I will be as a fly on the wall - a grain of salt in the ocean. I will move amongst them like a transparent...thing." "I'll have you know that I have the reflexes of a cat and the speed of a mongoose. Throw it. I DARE YOU!" "Equinsu ocha!" "What does "equinsu ocha" mean?" " "White devil"." "Well, tell him I'm not." "I only met you. How do I know?" "Equinsu ocha! Equinsu ocha!" "He said..." "Let me guess. "White devil, white devil"?"

I'm confident you've seen it, but it's not "Tropic Thunder."

Some people WANT others to make all their decisions for them. Some people WANT a routine they can count on, even if change will improve their lives. It takes some degree of courage to change your life and leap into something better and different. Not everyone is prepared to do that. Some people WANT to be led, WANT to be sheep, WANT to be told what to think. twi counts on that and is willing to maintain the flock so long as they get to fleece the flock all the time.

Correct.

It's not a serious movie, but other than that, you're way off.

"The spice must flow."

"Bumbaway achuna." "I'll have you know that I have the reflexes of a cat and the speed of a mongoose. Throw it. I DARE YOU!" "Equinsu ocha!" "What does "equinsu ocha" mean?" " "White devil"." "Well, tell him I'm not." "I only met you. How do I know?" "Equinsu ocha! Equinsu ocha!" "He said..." "Let me guess. "White devil, white devil"?"

I think you're on to something there.

Or, you know, the well-meaning but none-too-smart King James staff mucked it up again. Where they put "giants," most translations leave it "nephilim". Literally, "fallers", but,as Strong's Concordance could tell you, properly translated "bully" or "tyrant". The KJV guys mangled a translation of a word, and someone came along and made all sorts of doctrines about it. This is the same bunch who translated "hagios" as "holy thing" in one place instead of "holy one" like in other places and then vpw came along and formed a whole doctrine around it. Then again, maybe the KJV folks figured the translation had to be fantastical to account for the bones you mentioned, since they were sure those were giant bones and so that justified a fantastical translation of a rather mundane word. When shaving, remember Ockham's Razor...

No, but there is some interpretation here and there.

I got that without listening to the song. I clicked on the link, got the song title and artist, then did a websearch on "lyrics" "*song title*" "*artist name*" Then I read the lyrics as if the poster had posted a direct link to them.

"Bumbaway achuna." "Equinsu ocha!" "I'll have you know that I have the reflexes of a cat and the speed of a mongoose. Throw it. I DARE YOU!"

Remind me to actually check at some point. Or look at it the other way- why didn't we come up with new names for where people live when we're talking MILLIONS, but rather used the same name for what was used for THOUSANDS? We can't ask people in the past to retroactively use a different name, but we can ask the current people to use a new one. References written in the 19th and 20th century to envelopes shipped are "mail", after all, not "snail-mail" even though we've started calling it that now.... "If you build it, they will come." I really am not privy to what other people were like around Cain over the years. I do know that people will try new things if they think there's a benefit- or can be convinced there's a benefit. Lacking any details about Enoch City, I have no certainity as to WHY anyone would have moved there. I think it's logical people moved there because they visited there and decided to move there. Why did they decide to move there based on a visit? There was some advantage- whether economic (trade is easier), social (all the entertainment and interaction is here), or some other kind. Besides, I think you're thinking of both a modern-sized city sprung up all at once, and a busy month or something, when I expect this took decades and produced something they considered a city but we wouldn't by current standards. I think they went from a few people to dozens to hundreds to over 1000, in steps and with things being expanded periodically. Of course, again, it's all my thinking, but I think it's not unsound or unreasonable at least.

Is that "INGLOROIOUS BASTERDS?"

To a degree, I think it's true that SOME people never go beyond what they are taught. So, if you teach them nonsense- give them catchphrases, cultural indoctrination, whatever- and they will just spit back whatever you gave them. When the ex-twi, cgeer crowd began pushing a God who wasn't all-knowing, we got supposed leaders and others all spitting back the same catchphrases by rote, not evaluating what was taught. I see the same thing sometimes with society-give people a catchy song and you don't need any evidence to back yourself up. For vpw, this was very useful. Since he encouraged others to forsake all other sources of information besides himself/twi, not going beyond what you are taught became not going beyond what HE taught. In fact, there's still people who believe that- we've even seen posters here claim the only real innovation-like scientific discoveries and improvements- can only be by Divine Revelation or by demonic involvement. Nonsense- but it's lazy thinking and of a piece with what vpw taught. Very self-serving, and, I imagine, a comfort to the intellectually lazy.

That's it.

I think it began because vpw, as a student, was very LAZY. He never saw knowledge as having value in itself, only as a commodity. So, he never did any thinking for himself. Look back at his entire history- it's the story of a person who plagiarized, ripped off, and parroted the work of others. He was incapable of original work because he never bothered to learn things on more than a surface level- so he could only repeat back or copy, never innovate. His idea of "innovation" was to make COSMETIC CHANGES so something was the same but looked different. So, vpw never went further than he was taught...until it came to abusing authority, Scripture, or people. In those, he was able to break new ground, as near as I can tell.

When people start turning up missing in London, a multi-national group of martial artists show up to confront the martial artist despot and his companions who kill the people and trick locals into cannibalism. It's a musical, some of the time.