WordWolf

You may not have personally addressed it to him (or me), but it DID sound like the one-post drive-by posters that still worship vpw's system and want us to stop pointing out how it was based on lies and flaws. One of their usual tactics is to say that-if we're still talking about all of it and pointing out any negatives- that we're consumed by bitterness, spend all our free time here, and accomplish nothing else in our lives beyond what's posted here. You may not have intended to sound ANYTHING like them or mean ANYTHING like that, but it sure sounded that way.

Well, since we made much the same points, it certainly will affect my posting style in the future. I agree with PatAnswer's post and am glad it was posted.

I'd like to thank John for confirming that vpw recommended a 3-month period of avoiding television and written media (all media, really) and instead spending that 3-month period on twi materials, and that, once we did, we wouldn't recognize ourselves.

Well, I'll open this one up. Although I liked the song when it got airplay, apparently it wasn't well-known. This was "King of the New York Streets," by Bronx-born Dion de Mucci. FREE POST.

When in those closed groups, vpw sometimes mentioned that our modern society was hung up on sexual mores and compared it negatively to some (apparently imaginary) African tribes where the father iniated his daughters into intimate relations. Curiously, NOBODY can find such a reference ANYWHERE, even a FICTIONAL one other than in vpw's comments. It remains especially curious for a group supposedly modeled after the Christians of the first-century AD to completely discard the morals of those Christians when in private- vpw was de facto condemning their morals when he said this. In fact, because he freely quoted in public verses about sexual relations belonging only in marriage and solely between that husband and wife, it was more than confusing to many people to hear he was saying the opposite in private and urging them to keep that information in their "lockbox."

This song's from 1989, but I thought there was a reason it might be recognized, especially if I posted it right now. Maybe not. "People called me the scandalizer. The world was my appetizer. I turned gangs into fertilizer." "I broke hearts like window panes For breakfast I'd eat nails and chains To my kingdom I'd proclaim" "I floored my accelerator All the way to the equator. Just a local gladiator." "Well, I was only sixteen years old So what could I have known? In my mind these passing years The legend sure has grown. People come from miles around To see my royal tenement crown Always up and never down." "Schools gave me nothing needed To my throne I proceeded Every warning went unheeded." "I stood tall from all this feeling I bumped my head on heaven's ceiling Shooting dice and double-dealing." "Each time I jumped behind the wheel Of a pin-striped custom Oldsmobile The guys would bow and the girls would squeal." "Local bullies I deflated Back street jive that I translated Top Ten girls were all that I dated." "I didn't need no bodyguard I just ruled from my backyard Living fast, living hard." "Well, I was wise in my own eyes. I awoke one day and I realized You know this attitude comes from cocaine lies."

That's it.

"...and when you're done, you won't recognize yourself!" NOW does it ring a bell?

A man discovers he has a severely autistic brother, who has been living in an institution since he was believed to have killed a notorious outlaw who terrorized the town of Shinbone. Stars Tom Cruise and John Wayne, with John Ford directing.

Whoopi Goldberg Star Trek Generations Tim Russ Patrick Stewart

"Well, I was only sixteen years old So what could I have known? In my mind these passing years The legend sure has grown. People come from miles around To see my royal tenement crown Always up and never down." "Schools gave me nothing needed To my throne I proceeded Every warning went unheeded." "I stood tall from all this feeling I bumped my head on heaven's ceiling Shooting dice and double-dealing." "Each time I jumped behind the wheel Of a pin-striped custom Oldsmobile The guys would bow and the girls would squeal." "Local bullies I deflated Back street jive that I translated Top Ten girls were all that I dated." "I didn't need no bodyguard I just ruled from my backyard Living fast, living hard." "Well, I was wise in my own eyes. I awoke one day and I realized You know this attitude comes from cocaine lies."

"Well, I was only sixteen years old So what could I have known? In my mind these passing years The legend sure has grown. People come from miles around To see my royal tenement crown Always up and never down." "Schools gave me nothing needed To my throne I proceeded Every warning went unheeded." "I stood tall from all this feeling I bumped my head on heaven's ceiling Shooting dice and double-dealing."

Burt Young Rocky Sylvester Stallone

"What we've got here is failure to communicate."

No. No "fire" involved, not that recent, and your title was too short.

A man discovers he has a severely autistic brother, who has been living in an institution since he was believed to have killed a notorious outlaw.

"Well, I was only sixteen years old So what could I have known? In my mind these passing years The legend sure has grown. People come from miles around To see my royal tenement crown Always up and never down."

City Slickers.

Oliver Platt A Time to Kill Donald Sutherland

I'm still trying to figure out what you got in trouble FOR. You were on your "free" (unstructured, unregulated) time. You were using your "free" (unstructured, unregulated) portion of your budget. There was no restriction against eating ice cream. There was no restriction against buying ice cream. There was no restriction against sharing ice cream. There was no restriction against spending time together. There was no restriction against pooling funds-and that was a REQUIRED part of programs like wow. So, every single thing was permitted OR RECOMMENDED by twi. Yet, someone got in trouble, despite being in full accordance with the rules. Why? The only possibility left was: being in trouble because they didn't LIKE what you did, so the rules suddenly excluded having any fun in any way they didn't like, whether or not there was a reason to disapprove.

"Saving Private Ryan's Hope."

That's it.

He's probably not aware he's engaging in "False Dilemma." http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/94-false-dilemma " False Dilemma (also known as: false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy, either-or reasoning, fallacy of false choice, fallacy of false alternatives, black-and-white thinking, the fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses, bifurcation, excluded middle, no middle ground, polarization) Description: When only two choices are presented yet more exist, or a spectrum of possible choices exist between two extremes. False dilemmas are usually characterized by “either this or that” language, but can also be characterized by omissions of choices. Another variety is the false trilemma, which is when three choices are presented when more exist. Logical Form: Either X or Y is true. Either X, Y or Z is true. Example (two choices): You are either with God, or against him. Explanation: As Obi Wan Kenobi so eloquently puts it is Star Wars episode III, “Only a Sith deals in absolutes!” There are also those who simply don’t believe there is a God to be either with or against. Example (omission): I thought you were a good person, but you weren’t at church today. Explanation: The assumption here is that bad people don’t go to church. Of course, good people exist who don’t go to church, and good church-going people could have had a really good reason not to be in church -- like a hangover from the swingers gathering the night before. Exception: There may be cases when the number of options really are limited. For example, if an ice cream man just has chocolate and vanilla left, it would be a waste of time insisting he has mint chocolate chip. "

Looks like he was saying that a regular member was given an ordination during that meeting. I'm not sure if you wanted details beyond that.

BTW, the first show is NOT a Food Network show, it premiered on SPIKE and airs there today. At least in markets that HAVE Spike TV.