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  1. Ok, seriously, I hoped we'd remind someone else. This was "the Three Amigos." In fact, this very scene came up with someone when I was explaining the difference between "pletho" and "pleroo". BTW, there was an issue of the comic book "El Diablo" where someone was setting up piñatas, and someone else said they had a lot of them, and a third person said they would even say he had a plethora of piñatas.
  2. Forgive me, El Guapo. I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education. But, could it be that-once again- you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?
  3. In this instance, I think what we were taught was correct. They believed and were saved. What they didn't do was demonstrate any kind of sign-until someone else stepped in. And yes, if someone's a degraded dirt-bag then is saved, but never changes his thinking and conduct, he's still a degraded dirt-bag. Like Simon. Acts 19:11-16 11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: 12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them. 13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. 14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. 15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? 16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. =============================================== Matthew 7:15-23. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. ====================== Seems it's rather specifically about FALSE prophets, about those who made many CLAIMS about doing the things of God, but were really workers of iniquity who did not do what they claimed. (Sounds familiar, too.) It has nothing to do with anyone attempting to be a Christian and trying to walk as Christ walked.
  4. Since you asked nicely, I compared JAL's comment where he was focusing on getting power from God with Simon the Sorcerer and how he focused on getting acclaim from people by demonstrating power, including real power from God. sky then pointed out Simon's ego trip reminded him of vpw as well. vpw's invention of the whole "The Man of God" title and majesty was actually pretty similar to Simon's constructed reputation.
  5. That's it. I can never remember if they were Chicago or Chicago Transit Authority at that point.
  6. There's 2 correct answers, and I will accept either. "Cut the cloth, tread on the fat Leave the bones on the bedroom mat Pour the milk on the pantry floor Splash the wine on every door! Dump the crocks in a boiling bowl Pound them up with a thumping pole When you're finished if they are whole Send them down the hall to roll!"
  7. But...but... but... I heard some good Bible there. He taught me The Word. How could all of that evilness be true if I heard some good Bible there?
  8. Finally figured out what I was reminded of. Acts 8:9-23 9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. 11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. 12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. 14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. 18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, 19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. 20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. 21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. 22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. 23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
  9. I know I should know this one. If it was dysentery, then it was "Raiders of the Lost Ark."
  10. "I don't Does anybody really care care If so I can't imagine why about time. We've all got time enough to cry. Oh no, no. And I was walking down the street one day. Being pushed and shoved by people trying to beat the clock, oh, so I just don't know, I just don't know. And I said, yes I said People runnin' everywhere. Don't know the way to go. Don't know where I am. Can't see past the next step. Don't have to think past the last mile. Have no time to look around. Just run around, run around and think why"
  11. Having eliminated that one, Animal House, and the Blues Brothers, I'm not remembering any other movies he did.
  12. Hm. Food poisoning, or dysentery?
  13. John Belushi wasn't in that many films before dying. "1941"?
  14. "Of all the gin joints, in all the towns, in all the world, she walks into mine."
  15. Some outcasts are just outcasts. However, God has worked with a LOT of outcasts, both in and out of Scripture. The stone which the builders rejected became the cornerstone. This was THE LORD's doing, and it was marvelous in our eyes.
  16. Correct, of course. I knew for sure because I'd seen part of the BBC adaptation of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Ford Prefect is from the neighborhood of Betelgeuse. (I'm not sure if I knew before that.)
  17. In the cold light of day, it makes perfect sense that the corps program was rotten, and the few times people came out as successes were due to the fact that they were successes going in and the program failed to ruin that for them. Let's look at what went into the program... Who designed it? Was it a man with training in leadership programs and decades of practical application and pastoring, a man who'd gotten his hands dirty on the mission field in other parts of the world, a Mister Rogers of gentle admonishment? NO. It was the brainchild of a man with an entirely different agenda. He started out as a lazy child, running off for hours in the woods and shirking his chores-consistently. He became a teenager who was a showoff and a bully. He looked for a career where he could use his gift of gab and personality for success-he considered business and music, but settled on ministry as a cold business decision. (It was a year after he COMPLETED HIS MINISTERIAL DEGREES that he ADMITTED he'd first heard- and believed- that the Bible was the Word of God. That means he was working as a minister for a full year BEFORE believing that, by his own admission.) By the accounts of his admirers, he bullied his own congregation, and his own accounts document him chafing at having to answer to ANYONE. Years later, he encountered the JE Stiles and BG Leonard's works (books, classes) on the Holy Spirit, and his work completely changed in a short time. He also began reteaching Leonard's own class with a new name, with all the material identical but people fooled into thinking he had originated it. He continued to teach Leonard's material for the rest of his life, supplementing it over time with the works of Stiles, Bullinger, Kenyon, and a few others (but primarily their work). Once he heard that there were hippie Christians on the West Coast, he went out to recruit them and had a peculiar agenda while actually recruiting them. (He claimed God Almighty was all right with ORGIES but wasn't thrilled with them. It's shocking to hear a minister claim God's all right with extramarital sex of any kind, or any sex other than that between a married man and a married woman, but vpw came up with God being all right with ORGIES. No verses about orgies- he claimed that the verse that said it was good for a man not to touch a woman meant that it was a gradient between "best" (marital sex or abstinence) and "worst" (with ORGIES as not the worst, I shudder to imagine what would be "worst" to vpw.) He asked for details about participation in them, what it's like. Technically, he never said he specifically was looking for an invitation to one or asking how to get invited, but that level of questioning is rather specific. So, vpw returned, having conned a bunch of young folk into thinking that himself was some great one, and that this man was the great power of God. They all showed up for the work of Leonard, Bullinger, Stiles and Kenyon, and were given a side order of "obey vpw" at the same time. So, he now had a sales/ recruitment force, composed of Christians who had been making a big difference on the West Coast, and now weren't quite as effective but were still changing lives in between shilling for vpw. What to do now? Well, he now had the impressionable youths hanging on his every word, paying for his classes, and paying 10% of their income. He upped the ante. He set up programs for them. For a fee, he would let them travel for a year at their own expense and sell pfal to people (while still tithing, of course.) For a tuition, he would run a leadership training program for people on grounds. What qualifications did vpw have for that? Less than none. He lacked the pastoral personality (like Mister Rogers) for bringing out the best in people. He lacked the hard grounding in Scripture he claimed- that was all plagiarized from the authors he ripped off. He lacked the academic training to impart intellectual knowledge from university- he studied HOMILETICS, which is the least rigorous field, academically, that they offered (their softest option.) He lacked ANY kind of leadership program training of ANY kind. (vpw was typically lazy and never put in EXTRA work like entering programs.) He claimed he was going to base it on the military- but he had no military experience! So, he based it on some wild ideas he picked up from movies and television, and said it was based on the military. vpw made many claims as to WHAT the corps was supposed to be based on- but they were all talk and the program never resembled anything he mentioned. The supposed resemblance to the military was laughable and based on the misconception that soldiers are supposed to salute and obey without question, and that he would be the one all the corps would salute and obey. He told the Bible fans that it was based on Acts, but the conduct and actions in Acts looked NOTHING like what vpw was doing. There was some Bible study, and exercise, and physical labor- all of which was done at the student's expense, and students were allowed to enter and to stay "as long as their money holds" with nobody turned aside who could PAY. Then there were some people who were told it was about "accomplishing feats" or some other circus-sounding things. Why were there so many inconsistent explanations about what the corps was based on? vpw didn't base it on anything- he was improvising the whole time, and telling different people what they wanted to hear, whether it was military, or studious, or Biblical, or super-heroic, or whatever. When someone came along with a good idea, he slapped it into the program as he was going along (like the Spring cleaning thing.) When bad ideas or lack of preparation caused problems, vpw went into attack mode and blamed the participants for being inadequate in some way. But there was, eventually, some professional training he did bring in- Dale Carnegie stuff on SALES. The corps were trained in SALES, in how to sell the class, No professional training in anything else- and, naturally, vpw plagiarized the Dale Carnegie stuff- someone who went into their program came back to teach it to the corps with no money going back to Carnegie. There were lots of fringe benefits available to the plagiarist who set all that up. With a campus of young folk who worshipped him, it comes as no surprise (in hindsight) that he'd plan out some extramarital sex (the kind he missed on the West Coast.) What IS a surprise is that he did a great deal of planning- the kind he never did for the programs. He set up a system for finding the most likely women to victimize (making the "From Birth to the Corps" papers mandatory and using those to troll for victims.) He set up locations to best accomplish this (how many places did vpw personally have to sleep? His bed at home, his office's couch, and the outfitted bus when parked meant at least 3 just reserved for him and private when on campus.) He set up strategies involving lowering inhibitions- teaching that and plying them with drink and drugs in the drink. He set up strategies to play on their sympathies- saying his wife was unable to do anything for him so he was going without. He also set up a cadre of conspirators. Step 1, they would contrive to get the victim in place for him. Step 2, they would appear and move the victim if it looked like she was going to refuse to cooperate. Step 3, they would "counsel" the victims afterward so they wouldn't go to the police or anyone. Step 4, they would rush her off the campus and ruin her reputation if she showed signs of talking. All of that happened, and all of it meant he put in more work to facilitate rape than he put in to actually running a leadership training program.
  18. "People runnin' everywhere. Don't know the way to go. Don't know where I am. Can't see past the next step. Don't have to think past the last mile. Have no time to look around. Just run around, run around and think why"
  19. *wild swing* "Raising Arizona"?
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