WordWolf

A lot of people weren't following the previous thread. I really DON'T want to get into Doctrinal concerns. What I want is to explain this to people as much as possible. You've had a LOT more acting training and experience than I've had, so I'm hoping you'll go into that for the benefit of the people who've never heard of this sort of thing and never had an acting lesson.

========================== "What's new in your life, Latka?"

This thread, to a degree, is a follow-up on a previous thread. It's not meant to be a discussion of Doctrine- feel free to revive the Doctrinal thread or start a new one if you want to explore the doctrinal implications. This is about the mechanics of "free vocalization", what it is and is not. I think this is a subject worth discussing by itself- that got buried in a previous discussion addressing a lot more. So, I've meant to start this thread for some time. Ok, first of all, how we get the names for things. All names, as far as it goes, are made up. Someone finds a new concept and starts using a new name. Sometimes the new name catches on, sometimes a different name catches on, and sometimes nobody uses it and it fades into obscurity. So, if someone has a new idea or discovers something new, it's fair to try to come up with a decent name for it. For that matter, bad names become famous, too- the "googol" is 1 followed by 100 zeroes, and exploring caves is "spelunking", from "speliation" (cave studies) and a sillier ending for the word. So, the phrase "free vocalization." It wasn't a phrase coined to promote a specific agenda. When studying different things and discovering they were the same thing with different window dressing, someone coined the phrase in order to discuss it better. The name "free vocalization" refers to a speaking, thus, a vocalization. It is a speaking that is not directed in any formal sense of speech, thus it is "free" (unguided) in the same sense as free verse. So, what, exactly, is it? Free vocalization is actually a pretty common practice, used under a number of concepts. When children pretend to be speaking and pronounce nonsense syllables, they're doing this. (No, not when babies are starting to speak- when older children know they're not speaking a language and intentionally PRETEND to do so to amuse themselves and their friends.) Actors do this as well when studying acting. They will study how to move, and how to intone, and that can be studied independent of dialogue. Much can be portrayed by tone, movement, and gesture even if no language is held in common- or no language is used at all. My study group surprised our acting teacher with how complicated a concept we conveyed in such a scene-where 5 people got together, decided the scene, and acted it out- all speaking without actual words but with lots of speaking, intonation, movement and gestures. But that's drifting off-topic...the point is that actors will do this very thing while learning- as practice with other things, and it is not difficult once you get the idea. Some people have pointed out similarities between those practices and each other- because they differ only in intent, and are the same activity concerning language and cognition (thinking.)

Actual cause of death: heart attack brought on by obesity. "California Dreaming", the Mamas and the Papas.

Harrison Ford Blade Runner Rutger Hauer

Is this "Sliver"?

I just don't feel like sharing them with all of cyberspace.

Are you talking about an inability in yourself to identify false teachers and false prophets, or a tendency of the group to react hostilely to suggestions a leader is less than perfect? Those are 2 very different things.

Invincible: the Legend of Billie Jean Christian Slater Murder in the First

Now that I've seen "Pulp Fiction", I recognize a LOT more lines from it. As to this other one, no. We all have movies we THINK should be instantly recognizable to other people, but aren't. I frequently restrain myself from posting little-known movies which I actually liked. Not everyone is a big movie maven. Not everyone's seen a lot of movies, and not a lot of people remember much of the script of those movies. I recognize quite a few lines from "Blade Runner" despite never having seen the whole thing through. Most people would recognize maybe 1 quote at best, apparently.

"Everybody's hustlin' just to have a little scene. When I say we'll be cool I think that you know what I mean. You stood on a beach at sunset, do you remember when? I know a beach where, baby, a-it never ends."

*thinks* Ok, then that should be "Paranoia" and it should be by "the Kinks."

I'm not sure if the new one has it, but I'll say 'yes' rather than lawyer you to death. Your turn.

Bingo. Your turn.

"I get no kick from champagne"

I know the song but I'm stuck for an artist. Did the Doors do this one?

George Peppard played "Space Cowboy" in "Battle Beyond the Stars". (aka The Seven Samurai in Space, or the Magnificent Seven in Space.) The A-Team called each other Face/Faceman, Hannibal, BA and HM. Hannibal's name was John Smith, Face was Templeton Peck. BA stood for Bosco Albert. HM was NEVER explained. The 4th wall moment was when Face was walking through a studio area and passed a Cylon in uniform and stared a moment. Naturally, that moment, complete with sound effect, was included in the show's opening starting the following season. Your turn.

I think the name of the song is "MOTHER'S LITTLE HELPER."

You have a vivid imagination, but it's steering you wrong here....

This popular 80s show's characters, of course, all had first names, but 4 of them rarely used them, if ever. One was played by an actor who was remembered for a previous role- and a 4th wall instant in the show poked fun at it. 3 of the main actors had no problem with science fiction. One was in an SF show before this series, one was in an SF movie before this series, and one appeared in a SF movie and 2 SF series' after this show ended. A coincidence, but both actors playing SH characters in 2 different series' both played the same character each time (1 played 1, the other played the other), and both guested in the later show (where they reprised their previous character. This show was more famous than "Firefly." And more people saw the movie based on it, at least in theaters. AFAIK. Oh, and this show in question is NOT a science fiction show. I didn't mention the 4th of the 4 best-known characters. He was played by an actor made famous in a single role where he opposed a title character. That movie was more of a drama, but some people might call it an action movie based on the amount of hitting in a few scenes.

"Wake up! Time to die!" "They don't advertise for killers in the newspaper. That was my profession." "It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?" "Embarrassing." "No sir. Not embarrassing, because no one's ever going to find out they're down here. 'Cause you're gonna spot 'em and you're gonna air 'em out!" "I don't work here anymore. Give it to Holden. He's good." "I did. He can breathe okay, as long as nobody unplugs him." "Home again, home again, jiggidy-jig! Gooood Evening, J.F!" "Enhance 224 to 176. Enhance. Stop. Move in. Stop. Pull out, track right. Stop. Center and pull back. Stop. Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop. Enhance 34 to 36. Pan right or-and pull back. Stop. Enhance 34 to 46. Pull back. Wait a minute. Go right. Stop. Enhance 57 to 19. Track 45 left. Stop. Enhance 15 to 23. Gimme a hard copy right there." "This announcement is brought to you by the Shimato Dominguez Corporation - helping America into the New World." " Do you love me?" "I love you." "Do you trust me?" "I trust you." "Is this to be an empathy test? Capillary dilation of the so-called blush response? Fluctuation of the pupil. Involuntary dilation of the iris..." "We call it Voight-Kampff for short."

"Magic Mirror, on the wall, who is the fairest one of all?"

I can't name the band but I can name the song, I think.

I apparently misspoke. I was speaking relative to their airings. I shall update my next clue accordingly. This show's characters, of course, all had first names, but 4 of them rarely used them, if ever. One was played by an actor who was remembered for a previous role- and a 4th wall instant in the show poked fun at it. 3 of the main actors had no problem with science fiction. One was in an SF show before this series, one was in an SF movie before this series, and one appeared in a SF movie and 2 SF series' after this show ended. A coincidence, but both actors playing SH characters in 2 different series' both played the same character each time (1 played 1, the other played the other), and both guested in the later show (where they reprised their previous character. This show was more famous than "Firefly." And more people saw the movie based on it, at least in theaters. AFAIK. Oh, and this show in question is NOT a science fiction show.

Cast Away. A good quote for this thread- I recognize it having never seen the movie.