WordWolf

You have the show correct. I was disappointed that the clue was never displayed, since the spelling and capitalization made a huge difference in unraveling the clue. "Riddle me this, Arrah, Arrah, and gather round. The work of this hero is Legion-bound. He multiplies N by the number of He, and in this room the Thing you'll see." Jan Arrah is ELEMENT Lad of the Legion of Super-Heroes. The atomic number of N (Nitrogen) multiplied by the Atomic Number of He (Helium) gives us (7x2) 14, the Atomic Number of Silicon. "The Thing" is a superhero who appears made of rock. The main elemental component of rock is commonly Silicon. The clue did not take them TO the comic book store. It took them FROM the comic book store's Riddler display to the next location, at the umiversity.

That's it.

Steve, you were asked to document your claim, not pontificate further on what is or was "common knowledge." I can find CLAIMS that things are "widely known", "indesputable", etc etc all over the internet. They clutter up the search for accurate, documentable knowledge and intelligent discussion. vpw himself was a notorious purveyor of such claims. If I take it as given that you went on for 2 pages saying how indisputable your claims were and how they're common, can you just cut to the chase and link some documentation for them? I'm not calling you a liar, but it shouldn't be hard to make documentation a standard policy when making claims-and we SHOULD be documenting our claims. Otherwise, we're no better than those who construct convincing-sounding fiction and claim there's documentation backing them up, but they won't provide it. ("I found an old Jewish text...") Ok, so the translation of "nephilim" as "giant" was not confined to that verse, and Genesis 13 gives us more information. *reads* Ok, I'm skipping the possibility that the spies were completely cooking their report. They wanted to convince the people to NOT go in, so they made the inhabitants sound unbeatable. It is POSSIBLE they did that by lying to the public and making up residents. "Yeah, and they have fire-breathing dragons that patrol the city, just inside the walls." Something like that. It's possible but less likely than the other results. I'm seeing that the report was consistent that the residents were big and strong, moreso than the Israelites, people who might be referred to as "mighty men of renown." Really tough fighters, big dudes. I could see them being referred to as "giants" in the sense of "Andre the Giant" but not in the sense of "giants who are several stories tall," fantastical beasts or Plinean giants. Modern usage refers to some famous people as "giants", "a giant of industry" and so on. In the Biblical accounts, I see them as PHYSICALLY big, imposing, and renowned for such. So, I don't think anyone (Steve can correct me if I'm wrong) is saying that we in the present should think there were titanic individuals towering many meters or yards over the (other?) humans on the planet. The claim is that people in the past thought there were. I'm reading lots of claims that it was "common knowledge" that people believed that. Howe about a link to something reputable that backs up those assertions? That was the point of divergence. Link to a non-flaky article about the fossil finds, please. I can see the other stuff without going past a Bible or concordance, and I can get those in front of me easily enough and check your claims. For the rest, please supply a link. (I ask for something non-flaky because the internet is loaded with silliness as well as genuine scholarship, and if Steve is as correct as he is convinced he is, the genuine scholarship pages should be easy for him to find with a relatively short search, distinguishing them from the "space aliens stole Elvis' brain" level of pages.)

"Riddle me this, Arrah, Arrah, and gather round. The work of this hero is Legion-bound. He multiplies N by the number of He, and in this room the Thing you'll see."

"I bet you can squeal like a pig."

He had to rush the filming because the furniture for the set was "stolen." vpw had told the company he wanted the furniture. So, he took the furniture. Then they took the furniture directly to the set, filmed the sessions, then took the furniture back to the company and said he changed his mind, and now wants his money back. He deceived the furniture store, and robbed them of their proper income by obtaining a service from them and refusing to pay for it. It has, but in twi, they say to even THINK about that is "thinking evil." One is not allowed to think in ways not specifically approved by twi, especially when they would result in a negative performance evaluation of twi by the thinker. I'm sure they still teach that one of Eve's biggest mistakes was to CONSIDER. THINKING is, de facto, a crime in twi.

"Nightmare on Elm Street", in one form or another.

That's it.

No need to be cheeky. I'm speaking plainly here. Theoretically possible, but nobody's claiming that one. Cain set out specifically to make a place for as many people as he could convince to congregate. This has never been an impossible task in history, so the question as to if it would work in THIS place and time would be if he had what it would take to attract them to the location, and the materials and help to put it in place. The word "city" wouldn't have been used in "a very, very loose manner." It would have been used in the manner it had been at the time, and only the last few centuries have caused the word to mean something different now- something many times bigger and more crowded than it used to mean. It would have been easily the biggest congregation of homes and businesses at the time, and could have set the standard for later "cities" to build upon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City#Distinction_between_cities_and_towns "Even within the English-speaking world there is no one standard definition of a city: the term may be used either for a town possessing city status; for an urban locality exceeding an arbitrary population size; for a town dominating other towns with particular regional economic or administrative significance." If you take a look, even in modern practice, in several countries, the words "city" and "town" are used interchangeably in practice. In fact, in the US of A, the "town" of Hempstead, New York has a population (2004 census figure) of 755,785, and the "city" of Cary, North Carolina has a population (2000 census figure) of 296. I don't see it as a jump that Cain would set himself a long-term task of making a large settlement, and eventually getting more than 296 permanent residents. No, I'd say he set out to build a "town" (as I envision a "town"), and eventually succeeded in building the needed parts (I have no background in civil engineering nor town planning, so I don't know what it would entail now nor then.) During that time, he set about making it something to attract others to visit, then settle in. Decades later, a city. (Or "town", as you and I picture it.) I would expect more than 296 permanent residents.

I believe there was a story-arc in a comic book similar to that, with Superman on War-World competing. Should come as no surprise by now, of course. There's only so many ideas out there, and with 4-5 Superman comics per month at one point, there's bound to be some overlaps when it's showtime.

No, I think it was right to point out it was unsupported, and the phrasing DID need work.

Slogans like how spiritual knowledge supersedes the natural world, intellect and common sense. So, ignore the natural world and the blowing snow-the "spiritual knowledge" is that you act now! Then, when disasters strike and people get frostbite and snow-blindness and other stuff, it's all your fault because you failed to believe sufficiently to deflect the natural consequences of following the stupid instructions. twi won either way, so long as they could use SOMETHING as a bludgeon to get you all to obey, whether it made sense or not.

It was a poor word choice. Someone reading fast might have come away with the idea that indisputed fossils of human giant skeletons had been uncovered and were being found all over the place. ("All over the place" is probably an exaggeration of what happened, but that is what Steve was saying.) It may or may not have been BELIEVED that the fossils being found were human giant skeletons. If the fossils were being found. My comment was that-- if well-meaning and gullible translators thought that giant skeletons were uncovered- that they would have mistranslated the nephilim references because they THOUGHT the fantastical translation was correct and referring to the fantastical remains of fantastical creatures. Either way, I think the evidence is that the translators goofed for some reason and ended up with a fantastical reference there rather than a more direct translation, and gullible people ran with it. We got the same thing when the Septuagint's "monokeros" (one-horn) was transliterated into the Latin "unicorn" (one-horn) rather than the powerful animal it sounded like it described- the "rhinoceros" (nose-horn.) Then people came along and thought it was describing a horse with a horn, and all sorts of hijinks ensued.

Well, I can't argue that. This, then, would be the cue for Steve to support his claim or withdraw it. Removing any reference to it, then, brings me back to my previous point about being more concerned with sloppy translators and the simple expedient of correcting a translation rather than some exposition circling around a more colorful claim.

"Bumbaway achuna. Bumbaway achuna." "Nice to meet you. Bumblebee tuna. Bumblebee tuna." "Worry not, my brother. For I will be as a fly on the wall - a grain of salt in the ocean. I will move amongst them like a transparent...thing." "I'll have you know that I have the reflexes of a cat and the speed of a mongoose. Throw it. I DARE YOU!" "Equinsu ocha!" "What does "equinsu ocha" mean?" " "White devil"." "Well, tell him I'm not." "I only met you. How do I know?" "Equinsu ocha! Equinsu ocha!" "He said..." "Let me guess. "White devil, white devil"?" "Well, everything here seems good! Big load off my mind, aw God. You can speculate all you want, but unless you check it out for yourself, you never know! We should head back now." "Don't you think you should investigate?" "There's no reason to go in there. Ever. I sense it as a holy man." "But I thought you said..." "It's DARK! I could fall into a precipice!" "YOU must be the Monopoly guy! Hey. Thanks for the free parking." "Isn't this incredible? IT'S GONNA BE SOME KIND OF A RECORD! Everyone loves a Slinky, you gotta get a Slinky, Slinky, Slinky, go Slinky go!"

The fossilized bones Steve just mentioned. I was taking it as a given that they existed and were found and discussed as he said. Was that an unwarranted assumption?

Was that "The Father Dowling Mysteries"?

You were less far away with "Tropic Thunder."

"Bumbaway achuna. Bumbaway achuna." "Nice to meet you. Bumblebee tuna. Bumblebee tuna." "Worry not, my brother. For I will be as a fly on the wall - a grain of salt in the ocean. I will move amongst them like a transparent...thing." "I'll have you know that I have the reflexes of a cat and the speed of a mongoose. Throw it. I DARE YOU!" "Equinsu ocha!" "What does "equinsu ocha" mean?" " "White devil"." "Well, tell him I'm not." "I only met you. How do I know?" "Equinsu ocha! Equinsu ocha!" "He said..." "Let me guess. "White devil, white devil"?"

I'm confident you've seen it, but it's not "Tropic Thunder."

Some people WANT others to make all their decisions for them. Some people WANT a routine they can count on, even if change will improve their lives. It takes some degree of courage to change your life and leap into something better and different. Not everyone is prepared to do that. Some people WANT to be led, WANT to be sheep, WANT to be told what to think. twi counts on that and is willing to maintain the flock so long as they get to fleece the flock all the time.

Correct.

It's not a serious movie, but other than that, you're way off.

"The spice must flow."

"Bumbaway achuna." "I'll have you know that I have the reflexes of a cat and the speed of a mongoose. Throw it. I DARE YOU!" "Equinsu ocha!" "What does "equinsu ocha" mean?" " "White devil"." "Well, tell him I'm not." "I only met you. How do I know?" "Equinsu ocha! Equinsu ocha!" "He said..." "Let me guess. "White devil, white devil"?"