WordWolf

That was worth repeating. ================== As a more direct answer to the question, it's old news, among POLITICAL POWER groups and power groups that rely on violence and threat of force to stay in power, that the leader must continually watch themself. At the first sign of blood, the sharks circle the waters. They know their underlings can be trusted no more than THEY could be, and they sleep with one eye open, listening for gunshots and worrying tomorrow will bring a day when they walk into their office and someone else is sitting there and running things. Rosa-lie knows she was sneaking, conniving and backstabbing, and snuck into power that way. She was untrustworthy. She sees the world through the eyes of all of that, and lives in a world where no one can be trusted, where everyone will connive and backstab and sneak around if they're not observed. She may live with a lot of creature comforts, but that's ulcer territory. Worse-if someone succeeds, she may lose all medical coverage and all support from twi, and she's old, frail, and unsuited to actually work anywhere. So, she lives trying to manage the FEAR hanging over her every minute like the Sword of Damocles.

Was that a movie where the he's doing Weather and did some kind of talk/radio show or self-help thing before that?

Does that make this "FREE POST"? You didn't say if you were opening it up or trying again with a new round.

I can hum the song, but I don't know the name or the other lyrics.

[On the one hand, we have posters posting educated responses, first with quotes from degreed experts, then with discussion of the same. On the other hand, we have this opposing viewpoint....] [What did it add?] [Actually, he may have invented his own definition. Me, I think he was HANDED that definition and never questioned why reality clashed with it so dramatically. It was given to him-if it was given to him- to forestall any attempts by him to think this all through. Worked really well, too. He's deliberately skipping over everything refuting his belief and maintaining his convictions like any good zealot.]

I used to have a working definition that sounded a bit like that. Then again, I was a teenager at the time, in twi, and really didn't know how things worked (I was a teenager.) It's a little like people who say the difference between terrorists and a conventional military is the size of the group. No-that's a lie, and propaganda- made to salve the consciences of people who are sympathetic to terrorists, and WANT to think terrorism is correct. It's an excuse to STOP thinking and wonder if they're holding an opinion that is sound. For those who wonder, conventional military operates under certain rules, exemplified by the Geneva Convention and similar ideas. Terrorists do not. Soldiers wear uniforms, terrorists specifically dress as civilians so they can't be identified as soldiers. Soldiers confine their targets to military concerns- terrorists will hit civilians as often as soldiers, in fact, they hit them more often because military targets are defended and civilians often are not in defensible positions. Soldiers attempt to prevent "collateral damage"- they don't WANT civilians hurt if they can accomplish their goals without hurting them, and harming civilians is a big deal for soldiers. Terrorists are perfectly happy blowing up a school and killing expectant mothers and children-often, they'd consider that a noteworthy goal to accomplish. But someone who wants to sympathize with terrorists can recite the claim that the only differences between terrorists and soldiers is cosmetic, and hide behind that excuse to stop thinking. Similarly, this thread alone has had some clear, documented differences between churches and cults, but it's possible for someone to hide behind some clever saying or platitude and ignore the differences.

Here's what we know..... We know that Donna decided she was going to marry someone in twi who was a rising star. We suspect that vpw "knew" her. We know that lcm went to vpw when he decided he should get married, but didn't have a prospective wife in mind. Later, lcm tells vpw he decided on Donna. (Based on the above, it is my SPECULATION that Donna heard lcm was looking and made her move then. She was overheard once saying that-once she heard lcm was really going to be it in twi, she focused on him.) vpw went off immediately afterwards to talk to her. Most of that was from lcm's recollections, "VP and Me." It's obvious, when reading this, it wasn't a marriage based on love in EITHER direction. We also know, based on eyewitness accounts, Donna had relations with women on campus, and off-campus, she shared hotel rooms with one bed with Rosalie. =================== My knowledge is limited on some things. I know his knee-jerk reactions often centered around "dumb jock", so it would be no surprise to see lcm turn into a bully or freak out at homosexuals while dismissing other sinful behaviors and not giving them a second thought. I've heard he liked to watch women get it on. Unless he was a LOT stupider than I think he was, he had to know about Donna's proclivities. Did he think he'd get to watch? Did he get to watch? I can guess, but that's just a guess. When lcm was undermined before he was kicked out, it was Donna and Rosalie who were backstabbing him. Did that affect his thinking? lcm seemed to harp on homosexuality a lot-but so far, we've heard no accounts that he actually engaged in homosexual activities. Speculation that the SOLE reason he raged about it at length was because he was harboring latent homosexual impulses are just that-speculation. Since we have an absence of evidence to support the idea- no eyewitness accounts of any type- we should look to other answers unless something turns up.

Groundhog Day Brian Doyle Murray Wayne's World

I posted the link to move this along. Please proceed as normal, with a cast member from that version of "Hamlet", excepting, of course, Branagh since I linked IN to the movie with him.

Ok, some time, I recommend seeing it. I know this is not a big group on watching Shakespearean plays. However, Hamlet- the good versions- is worth seeing. Mel Gibson's version is worth seeing and is an abridged version. Kenneth Branagh did the uncut version-all of it. I have pluses and minuses for both versions, since I really like the play and feel both were faithful to the original in some ways and less so in others. (So far, I'm waiting for a truly accurate version of Laertes' duel in any format, anywhere- live, DVD, whatever.) With 2 exceptions- one travelling actor and Kenneth Branagh casting himself as Hamlet- I thought the casting for Branagh's version was excellent. It also featured a LOT of recognizable names. Here, you'll recognize some names. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116477/fullcredits

We're both showing our ages. I didn't know it was a cover. I used to listen to a block of really moving songs every Friday after 5pm, and that was a regular song in the block known as the "5 o'clock whistle." ============================= "I woke up in a Soho doorway The policeman knew my name. He said, "You can go sleep at home tonight If you can get up and walk away."

Is it Bruce Springsteen's "DEVIL WITH A BLUE DRESS ON"?

[We all get to decide that. We don't all get to force others to agree with our opinions, however. That's one reason we have spirited discussions here. You're one person who takes particular advantage of that. Minority opinions are disagreed with here, often called-out, often refuted, and so on, but they are permitted here and so your posts are not suppressed. If it wasn't for some posters eventually refusing to post within civil levels of discourse (which happens everywhere eventually), everyone who ever posted here would be welcome to continue to post here.] [No it isn't. Examples of other places were given before you posted this. You might want to actually READ the posts of others rather than just comb over them for something to pick out and disagree with on general principle. There's been other boards where dissenting opinions were deleted and user accounts deleted. There's been other boards where they were shut down because the powers-that-be couldn't completely control the discussions. There's been other boards where you were not permitted to sign up until you proved you were solidly an active member of the group. THOSE places were a LOT more one-sided than the GSC. Here we have pages and pages of minority opinions and posters disagreed with, whether because they were posting silliness or posting already-refuted claims, or spewing hatred with no real content, or any other reason they weren't posting what everyone else was.]

[it sounds like propaganda to me too, but you're the one who invented it, and you did it QUICKLY and OVERTLY. Worst of all, you didn't even realize you DID IT. There was a breakdown of 4 different dimensions of control, and you completely discarded that and pretended it said something like "pov contrary to mainstream opinions." You really don't understand the difference between polite society and civilization, and controlling cadres, do you?] [Answered my question pretty fast. You CAN'T tell the difference between, say MAYBERRY (your example) and control groups like Jim Jones' Jonestown (where people committed suicide on command) Charles Manson's "the Family" (where people committed murder on command) David Koresh's Branch Davidians (where people let their leader have sex with their underage daughters and wives) "Heaven's Gate" (where people committed suicide on command) ]

[The normal way does it just as well, and has several advantages over your way. The rest of us will post "(snip)" when we make partial quotes so it's obvious there's more but we don't consider it relevant to what we are responding to. With the quoteback, anyone can confirm we're fairly quoting someone by looking at the original quote.] [it IS, but it's also used to be deceptive and lazy- if not by you and not in this post. It prevents an efficient method-already in effect- to go back and read the entire post. If the discussion is active, we may have to hunt for PAGES to find JUST what you're talking about. How are we to know if anybody DID say it or if you're fairly representing what was said in your quote? Some quotes will fairly represent what's said, some will not. ("The Bible says 'There is no God.'") At the GSC, it's not uncommon for someone to selectively quote something, complain that the poster never addressed a problem, and leave the source-post vague... and when someone finds it and reads it, the problem WAS addressed-and answered. If you have actual issues with using the very simple button, you could always do what I do when I think the quote thing is not working. I put the thread name (or say "this thread" if it's the same thread), the page#, the post#, the poster's name, and the date/time of the post. Anyone can check up fairly easily and see if I'm representing what they said fairly.]

Of course that was Aqualung. The lines about the breathing are the reason the character-and song-were named like a deep-sea diver breathing device.

That's a shame. It's got a LOT of famous actors in it. It's the entire play, adapted to a more modern setting (but not the present), so there are a lot of roles, so it needs a lot of actors. In fact, the only one I thought was miscast was Branagh giving himself the title role. Particularly famous are the head actor of the traveling performers, the gravedigger, and the courtier Osric. And the ghost of Old Hamlet, and Hecuba (depicted when the head actor does a recital of her story.) And Ophelia. And Priam (in the recital)....

"Do you still remember December's foggy freeze -- when the ice that clings on to your beard was screaming agony. And you snatch your rattling last breaths with deep-sea-diver sounds, and the flowers bloom like madness in the spring."

No. I posted the lyrics already. The title is "Hymn 43." You might recognize it if you heard it playing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGtkQ574gsA When Jethro Tull won the first Grammy in the then-new category of Hard Rock/Heavy Metal album, Metallica and others were shocked. They hadn't been listening lately- "Crest of a Knave" and "Rock Island" are very hard. (The band wasn't in attendance because they didn't think they had a chance.) Jethro Tull's label replied with an ad in Billboard Magazine. "The flute is a (heavy) metal instrument!" FREE POST!

Correct! I thought the quote made it too easy, but it didn't if we had no one following the show. Green Arrow, of course, has been around since 1941, which is a long time for a character.

Harry Potter & the Chamber of Secrets (movie 2) Kenneth Branagh Hamlet (Branagh's version)

The following might be overheard, if some stoner or somebody ran into a certain title character on the street... "Dude, you rock! It's about time you got your own television show! You're too cool to just be a supporting character, even if a different actor was in the other show. It's not like you haven't been around for a very long time or nothing. Best of all is how you keep saying 'You have failed this city!' "

Cannonball Run 2 Frank Sinatra Oceans 11 (the original)

"Oh, Father high in heaven Smile down upon your son, Who's busy with his money games, His women and his gun. Oh, Jesus save me! And the unsung Western hero killed an Indian or three And made his name in Hollywood To set the white man free. Oh, Jesus save me! If Jesus saves -- well, He'd better save Himself from the gory glory seekers who use His name in death. Oh, Jesus save me! I saw him in the city and on the mountains of the moon -- His cross was rather bloody -- He could hardly roll His stone. Oh Jesus save me!"

That is the correct name of the album on which this song appears. That album had only 1 song released as a single, IIRC, and it wasn't the title cut.