WordWolf

Is it Bruce Springsteen's "DEVIL WITH A BLUE DRESS ON"?

[We all get to decide that. We don't all get to force others to agree with our opinions, however. That's one reason we have spirited discussions here. You're one person who takes particular advantage of that. Minority opinions are disagreed with here, often called-out, often refuted, and so on, but they are permitted here and so your posts are not suppressed. If it wasn't for some posters eventually refusing to post within civil levels of discourse (which happens everywhere eventually), everyone who ever posted here would be welcome to continue to post here.] [No it isn't. Examples of other places were given before you posted this. You might want to actually READ the posts of others rather than just comb over them for something to pick out and disagree with on general principle. There's been other boards where dissenting opinions were deleted and user accounts deleted. There's been other boards where they were shut down because the powers-that-be couldn't completely control the discussions. There's been other boards where you were not permitted to sign up until you proved you were solidly an active member of the group. THOSE places were a LOT more one-sided than the GSC. Here we have pages and pages of minority opinions and posters disagreed with, whether because they were posting silliness or posting already-refuted claims, or spewing hatred with no real content, or any other reason they weren't posting what everyone else was.]

[it sounds like propaganda to me too, but you're the one who invented it, and you did it QUICKLY and OVERTLY. Worst of all, you didn't even realize you DID IT. There was a breakdown of 4 different dimensions of control, and you completely discarded that and pretended it said something like "pov contrary to mainstream opinions." You really don't understand the difference between polite society and civilization, and controlling cadres, do you?] [Answered my question pretty fast. You CAN'T tell the difference between, say MAYBERRY (your example) and control groups like Jim Jones' Jonestown (where people committed suicide on command) Charles Manson's "the Family" (where people committed murder on command) David Koresh's Branch Davidians (where people let their leader have sex with their underage daughters and wives) "Heaven's Gate" (where people committed suicide on command) ]

[The normal way does it just as well, and has several advantages over your way. The rest of us will post "(snip)" when we make partial quotes so it's obvious there's more but we don't consider it relevant to what we are responding to. With the quoteback, anyone can confirm we're fairly quoting someone by looking at the original quote.] [it IS, but it's also used to be deceptive and lazy- if not by you and not in this post. It prevents an efficient method-already in effect- to go back and read the entire post. If the discussion is active, we may have to hunt for PAGES to find JUST what you're talking about. How are we to know if anybody DID say it or if you're fairly representing what was said in your quote? Some quotes will fairly represent what's said, some will not. ("The Bible says 'There is no God.'") At the GSC, it's not uncommon for someone to selectively quote something, complain that the poster never addressed a problem, and leave the source-post vague... and when someone finds it and reads it, the problem WAS addressed-and answered. If you have actual issues with using the very simple button, you could always do what I do when I think the quote thing is not working. I put the thread name (or say "this thread" if it's the same thread), the page#, the post#, the poster's name, and the date/time of the post. Anyone can check up fairly easily and see if I'm representing what they said fairly.]

Of course that was Aqualung. The lines about the breathing are the reason the character-and song-were named like a deep-sea diver breathing device.

That's a shame. It's got a LOT of famous actors in it. It's the entire play, adapted to a more modern setting (but not the present), so there are a lot of roles, so it needs a lot of actors. In fact, the only one I thought was miscast was Branagh giving himself the title role. Particularly famous are the head actor of the traveling performers, the gravedigger, and the courtier Osric. And the ghost of Old Hamlet, and Hecuba (depicted when the head actor does a recital of her story.) And Ophelia. And Priam (in the recital)....

"Do you still remember December's foggy freeze -- when the ice that clings on to your beard was screaming agony. And you snatch your rattling last breaths with deep-sea-diver sounds, and the flowers bloom like madness in the spring."

No. I posted the lyrics already. The title is "Hymn 43." You might recognize it if you heard it playing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGtkQ574gsA When Jethro Tull won the first Grammy in the then-new category of Hard Rock/Heavy Metal album, Metallica and others were shocked. They hadn't been listening lately- "Crest of a Knave" and "Rock Island" are very hard. (The band wasn't in attendance because they didn't think they had a chance.) Jethro Tull's label replied with an ad in Billboard Magazine. "The flute is a (heavy) metal instrument!" FREE POST!

Correct! I thought the quote made it too easy, but it didn't if we had no one following the show. Green Arrow, of course, has been around since 1941, which is a long time for a character.

Harry Potter & the Chamber of Secrets (movie 2) Kenneth Branagh Hamlet (Branagh's version)

The following might be overheard, if some stoner or somebody ran into a certain title character on the street... "Dude, you rock! It's about time you got your own television show! You're too cool to just be a supporting character, even if a different actor was in the other show. It's not like you haven't been around for a very long time or nothing. Best of all is how you keep saying 'You have failed this city!' "

Cannonball Run 2 Frank Sinatra Oceans 11 (the original)

"Oh, Father high in heaven Smile down upon your son, Who's busy with his money games, His women and his gun. Oh, Jesus save me! And the unsung Western hero killed an Indian or three And made his name in Hollywood To set the white man free. Oh, Jesus save me! If Jesus saves -- well, He'd better save Himself from the gory glory seekers who use His name in death. Oh, Jesus save me! I saw him in the city and on the mountains of the moon -- His cross was rather bloody -- He could hardly roll His stone. Oh Jesus save me!"

That is the correct name of the album on which this song appears. That album had only 1 song released as a single, IIRC, and it wasn't the title cut.

On classic rock stations, it STILL gets its share of radio time. It's off an album that sold 7 million units worldwide-the best-selling album of a band that won at least 1 Grammy that I recall. Since I don't have the album, I ONLY know this song from airplay. Maybe you just don't like flute music. Hey, the flute is a (heavy) metal instrument! ;)

"Oh, Father high in heaven Smile down upon your son, Who's busy with his money games, His women and his gun. Oh, Jesus save me!" "If Jesus saves -- well, He'd better save Himself from the gory glory seekers who use His name in death. Oh Jesus save me!"

I usually select that I don't want emoticons in my post, when hitting "add reply." I don't know about any problem, but I like to use all my characters when I need them. ===================== "Oh, Father high in heaven Smile down upon your son, Who's busy with his money games, His women and his gun. Oh, Jesus save me!"

I agree with the quote you posted, and I think it's not "NOW the cults are arriving." I think these problems, with variations, are centuries and centuries old. What is newer is A) mass-production of books to spread information around the world B) the internet, allowing the spread of information to people around the world QUICKLY =================== It seems to me there are a lot of people, given an entire planet, that, at any time, are willing to effectively make themselves children or slaves to one degree or another in exchange for feeling good about themselves and simple answers to life's questions. It's just so much easier to let someone else do the thinking for them.

Blame Raf. He's the one who introduced me to The Cars, and to The Cars' Greatest Hits. The first song on the album is "JUST WHAT I NEEDED." Which, apparently, is just what this thread needed right now. ;)

[twi'ers-- and some ex-twi'ers-- pushed/push this attitude of superiority and arrogance, the OPPOSITE of what one should have if the actual CONTENTS of Scripture matter and not just who can memorize more of it. There are some Christians in churches who do the same, but less than one might think unless one actually INTERACTS with them. I've personally seen more venomous attitudes among twi and ex-twi than outside it. When I've seen such attitudes outside twi, it's always been alongside "Sorry about Christian X- he's always been a bit of a tool." Other Christians get EMBARRASSED about attitudes that get CELEBRATED among some ex-twi'ers and among still-twi'ers.] [The CATEGORY "Fundamentalist" describes all Christians who believe the written Word of God has GREAT Authority. And the phrase "Sola Scriptura" describes all Christians who believe the written Word of God has THE Authority. As categories, in the US alone, that's MILLIONS of Christians. In twi, we never heard of those phrases. (Technically, I did, but not from twi'ers. I first heard "Fundamentalist" explained by friends when I was trying to evangelize them-and they weren't judgemental about it, just trying to figure out my positions. As for the Trinity, not only does the average Christian soft-pedal the whole thing (depending on how the question is phrased, they might repudiate it-one friend of mine did when I asked) but those who believe it look at certain verses and believe those verses support that thinking. Come on- you used to think "kingdom of heaven" and "kingdom of God" meant 2 ENTIRELY different things in Scripture, when a simple read of the verses mentioning them both shows they are EXACTLY THE SAME. Someone who knew better could easily have said you didn't "really" believe the Bible had authority at the time- that you elevated your group's teachings over the Written Word. Same deal-people can be HONESTLY MISTAKEN and yet DEVOUT and DISAGREE, even using the same Bible to make opposing points. So, there are plenty of legitimate Christians whom I respect who claim the Trinity, at least formally. Doesn't seem to make a difference to God Almighty, Jesus Christ, or the Host of Heaven, since prayers are answered equally fast for either category.] [The only time twi got mentions was from a small window of time, when twi was considered the "fastest growing" cult- for as much as 5 years after vpw hijacked the hippies and subverted the ministries of legitimate Christians in Haight-Ashbury. Any student of statistics can tell you, "fastest growing" doesn't mean you have a lot of people, just that your PERCENTAGES went up. If you had 5 people 1 year, and 10 the next year, and then 20 the following, your group can be said to have "increased 200%" in 2 years. That SOUNDS like a lot to those who are intellectually lazy. That's why twi used to use percentages to mention way corps grads when they were still mentioning them at all. (20% did this, 20% did that, and so on, with a group of 5 people, so 20% was 1 person.) For people who really have nothing better to do with their time but arbitrarily divide Christians based on a doctrine like the Trinity, all this stuff is scandalous. The average Christian DOESN'T CARE. They MIGHT care if you came in and rudely FORCED THE ISSUE-something vpw did and twi was famous for (and ex-twi'ers were all trained in.) I've seen kids who were never in twi, who had twi-trained parents, come here, post rudely at the rest of us and display shocking ignorance-but sound like every word was pasted right from twi publications. So, that venom has been passed down in a few cases.] [They didn't KNOW vpw was a plagiarist, a pervert, a man who claimed imaginary snowstorms whenever it suited his purposes. What made twi "stand out" was the bombastic displays pioneered by vpw and orchestrated by him-a pushiness that was sent out to infect local communities. vpw once claimed that HE-and a group-were closing an ROA with a list of anti-Trinity verses, which they were going to post at the door of all the local churches. (The idea was a lazy attempt to imitate what Martin Luther did without the important part- Luther was attempting to OPEN DIALOGUE on his 95 Theses, but vpw, as always, planned a hit-and-run.) That was vpw's CLAIM. What happened? No such list. vpw's group, went to the church doors, and posted a sign with his OPINION in big letters. "Jesus Christ. Wasn't God, never will be!" Alongside the sign was an AUTOGRAPHED copy of vpw's book, "Jesus Christ is Not God." vpw made it about HIM when it should have been about what God wanted. Few people actually looked close enough to learn about the imaginary snowstorms, the more regular errors in doctrine. They certainly didn't look close enough to critique perversions in a sex class, or hear about "the lockbox", or be molested or raped or drugged by vpw. What outsiders thought-and think- about twi, however, IS A NON-ISSUE. The NUTTINESS we're discussing is not "what did outsiders think", it's really more "looking back, that was bizarre, stupid..." Cute attempt to CHANGE THE SUBJECT off bizarre practices and doctrines, though. "This is your brain on vpw. Any questions?"]

He used to be ok before twi stole his soul and his moustache. It's a little frightening, if viewed as an outsider, to see the over-planning and the bossiness connected with even the smallest twi get-together nowadays. Then again, that was always at least partly the case. One poster talked about having a bunch of people over-just having people over, not any event. Local twi'ers who were friends were invited, non-twi'er friends were invited. (They weren't ordered to stop having them, so this was before the 90s.) A twi bossy "leader" arrived, decided by divine fiat this get-together was now a "MEETING", and BEGAN PASSING OUT SONGBOOKS. He pretty much cleared out the room of non-twi'ers and choked the fun out for the twi'ers within the next minute.

"So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!" "

Michael Winslow Spaceballs John Hurt

"Monty Python & the Holy Grail". I was busy AND hoping to let someone else join in.

"Bonanza"????