WordWolf

Correct! Your turn.

Ah, no, Pax, you don't get to casually redefine what I said so that it matches your theology. You dismissed all sorts of verses of Scripture on the grounds that they lay out miraculous events. I countered that those who've seen miraculous events NOW are less likely to dismiss the possible claims of miraculous events THEN. What kind did I say? " Hey, if your Christian walk is so scrawny that you've never seen a divine healing, never gotten divine revelation, never seen a miracle, that's your business. Those of us who HAVE seen some are a bit harder to convince that God's people thousands of years ago never saw them." So I said Divine healing Divine revelation a miracle To those who actually want to see what I'm saying, it's not difficult. However, first you downgraded miraculous accounts in Scripture to cunningly-devised fables, then you downgraded MODERN miraculous events I said- including divine healing and revelation- to an athlete performing an excellent jump speaking in tongues/glossalalia, which is largely debated Looks like your internal filter is set to "scrawny". First, the Bible accounts are fiction, then the modern miracles don't even exist beyond "people excelling at physical stunts." Yeesh, if you rewrite me so radically in one paragraph, how reliable is your understanding of pages of Scripture?

Opinions vary with the posters. Some avoid Christianity completely, having been "burned" too much. Some avoid offshoots, some embrace THEIR offshoot. Some still consider themselves Christian.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and that's true regardless of the source.

"Listen, boy- I don't want to see you let a good thing slip away. You know I don't like watching anybody make the same mistakes I made. She's a real nice girl and she's always there for you, But a nice girl wouldn't tell you what you should do. Listen boy I'm sure that you think you got it all under control. You don't want somebody telling you the way to stay in someone's soul. You're a big boy now and you'll never let her go- But that's just the kind of thing she ought to know." " 'cause now and then,she'll get to worrying, Just because you haven't spoken for so long. And though you may not have done anything, Will that be a consolation when she's gone? Listen, boy-it's good information from a man who's made mistakes... Just a word or two that she gets from you could be the difference that it takes. She's a trusting soul, she's put her trust in you But a girl like that won't tell you what you should do." I'm a little surprised. This song was hardly a "niche" release....

Oops. I was traveling, and checked quickly, and missed this thread. Let's see.... "Hello? Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me. Is there anyone at home?"

Correct artist, but you have not correctly identified this song..... *looks for the other thread*

It COULD be. It could ALSO be that these aspect of the Synoptic Gospels are historically accurate. Just because other people lie about their golf game doesn't mean YOU lie about YOUR golf game. Then it goes to evidence. The people who wrote these things, reported these things were willing to put the remainder of their lives in jeopardy, and many of the early disciples were killed in horrific executions. They went to slow, painful deaths rather than say "I lied." Personally, I suspect they had supremely strong convictions that what they reported was all correct- for there is little that a man would sacrifice his life for- except the salvation OF that life. How did you get from "is it POSSIBLE that wasn't true?" to "ADMIT it was NOT true?" with no intermediary steps? Looks like a leap of non-faith. It's not intellectually honest. A good walk of faith doesn't insist that one call truth a lie, nor insist that one call lies the truth. Those who would, they're not intellectually honest, and poor witnesses to their faith. Who would want to join them? And you STILL made another leap. You've decided unilaterally to disbelieve parts of the Bible, and call them fables. Then you've decided unilaterally that to skip a process of inquiry to get to that conclusion (working it out to see if the evidence really, really supports your leap of non-faith) is "intellectually honest"-when it's the opposite. Then you decided that those who disagree with you are "soft-headed. What's next- a non-miraculous snowstorm and a new class you're teaching for pay? Depends on if there actually ARE 'legendary portions' like you decided all by yourself. Looks like you've not only declared some Scripture is "legendary" (fiction, lies, myths, cunningly-devised fables), and that your dissenters are "soft-headed", but you even worked out exactly how God wants you to read them. You're a regular one-stop-shop for another(heteros) gospel, aren't you? If it was all about powerful messages of compassion, tolerance, and so on, then why adulterate it with cunningly-devised fables? Hey, if your Christian walk is so scrawny that you've never seen a divine healing, never gotten divine revelation, never seen a miracle, that's your business. Those of us who HAVE seen some are a bit harder to convince that God's people thousands of years ago never saw them. "Do not pass Go. Do not collect 10% of my income."

"'cause now and then,she'll get to worrying, Just because you haven't spoken for so long. And though you may not have done anything, Will that be a consolation when she's gone? Listen, boy-it's good information from a man who's made mistakes... Just a word or two that she gets from you could be the difference that it makes."

A non-Christian once summed it up in one sentence: "We don't care what you believe, just come to church."

From what I see, there's no "Christianity" in the so-called "Center for Progressive Christianity." There's no sin, no need for a "savior", thus there's no Messiah, no specially Anointed One of God, no "The Son of God" and no Redeemer. Since it's all relative, there's also no "Truth", so there's no "True Religion", which means claiming it has anything to do with a concept it REJECTS is either ignorance, lies, or deliberate attempts to deceive the other posters here. ============== If you're going to be a Unitarian Universalist, just go ahead and be that and don't hide behind some label that conceals that.

"Listen, boy-it's good information from a man who's made mistakes... Just a word or two that she gets from you could be the difference that it makes."

Sorry to respond so slowly-I was traveling. RumRunner and I were not the closest friends, but I'll miss him. Those of you were were his nearest and dearest will miss him so much more. Nothing I can say or do would change that, but nothing can steal all your memories of him, and nothing will stop your reunion with him again someday in the future, be it sooner or later, when there will be an end to tears, suffering, and loss. My saying so is small, but I hope it helps at all.

You're several years late for the main discussion. This thread had a specific purpose. There were claims- by certain wearers of tinfoil hats- that the Bible was REPLACED by the "works" of vpw (the various books he plagiarized from others), that those books are "God-breathed", and so on. This thread took the definitions IN pfal of "God-breathed" to demonstrate that pfal was never "God-breathed." To reasonable readers, this was never necessary. Even those who thought they were insightful and so on never seriously entertained such a ridiculous claim, so they never needed it refuted. Since the claim was raised, this thread was written to refute it.

*snickers* Actually, you're right- some of them were monsters with some human parts, and some animal parts. Most of the time, however, it was more, you know, "a little leaven leavens the whole lump." They were homogenized beings.

Pax, you missed this question. Are you Goetz, the author of the book, or are you an aficionado of his?

"Listen, boy-it's good information from a man who's made mistakes...."

Shouldn't this part pretty much be common knowledge? I kept running into this all through high school. Hercules was the demi-god representing the Spartan ideals, Theseus ("his cousin) was the tip-top mortal who represented the Athenian ideals. The Olympian gods supposedly had all sorts of children, both gods and mortals, plus monsters and a few demi-gods. Phaeton's fate was a cautionary tale of being careful what you ask for, and not to overreach your grasp, etc. Anybody who thumbed through Edith Hamilton's "Mythology" should know this. A good websearch would show the same.

Read the Book of Ruth sometime. A WIDOW REMARRIES. I'd be more than astonished if she'd remained a virgin throughout her first marriage. I'd be doubly astonished if you could find me a verse that said she DID. Ruth did GREAT. She was a non-virgin who married Boaz. Cuttings and markings in the flesh "for the dead" and in accordance with the worship of other gods is hardly the same as some woman getting a "tramp stamp" above her belt of a butterfly or something. Sure explains why Mary's husband had the option of divorcing his wife, and Jesus Christ himself said it was permitted..... Chapter and verse please. Judging from how your understanding has flubbed everything so far, I'd like to read that one myself. Define "long hair for men", "short hair for women", and who you THINK those rules apply to. I've seen male devout Jews with some hair I'd personally consider "long", who were following the rules as best they understood them. Oh, people, when are we going to stop reading AROUND the Bible, and stop reading what Right Reverend So-and-So SAID about the Bible, and actually READ the Bible? Please don't flail about with such a clumsy "argument", it's insulting to the intelligence of the locals.

Paul Mc Cartney's "Band on the Run"? I forget if this was a "Wings" release.

He claimed there were some African tribes where the fathers molested their daughters like this. Posters here have noted that there is no documentation in all of cyberspace to his sick claim. There was some evidence there's some tribe or other where the other women do something, but vpw's own claim was another claim that can only be traced back to vpw's sicknesses and not to any reliable source.

I took the later one, where vpw described the video rather than showing the video. I found a DESCRIPTION to be both disgusting and irrelevant. When I was in. If one's conscience is "seared", one no longer hears a warning when most people are recoiling in horror.

It's been said that insanity is doing the exact same thing and expecting different results. Someone mentioned "Groundhog Day". His life must feel like that, just a little slower, with him in an organization, then having to leave, then starting another organization, then having to leave...

"Amok Time'?

That's from the end of the Moody Blues' "Nights in White Satin." (I believe that part has its own name, and that's "the Late Lament.")