WordWolf

We discussed "The Great Principle" here...

Reviving for the newcomers....

Was it that tired old saw about Proctor and Gamble? That one was so easily disproven, I heard it debunked in junior high school. So much bs grew wings in twi, but a good websearch can debunk so much of the bunk we were told. http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/procter.asp This is probably the first website you should check, if you're looking to see if various tall tales of twi had some basis in fact.

Sometimes this is referred to as "being sick and tired of being sick and tired." If you want to be cautious about trusting strangers, caution is a good thing. It will help keep you from getting burned by another group of people the same way the last one burned you. You'll find we're all sorts of people here, so if you stick around long enough, you'll find someone post in a less-kind manner, because everyone has a bad moment. That's how life is, though-sometimes there's a careless word when people are actually free to THINK AND FEEL FOR THEMSELVES. In fact, with people relearning how to do that, it's a bit more likely here than a lot of places, but I find the candor and lack of disguises worth the occasional careless word. (If someone is especially rude, we report them to the moderators here- we're supposed to have a basic courtesy toward each other, and forgetting that is bad for discussion.)

An example for those who can't picture that in the abstract... "Do you speak Gaelic?" might be said as "Do you have the Gaelic?" to someone fluent in Gaeilge and English. I saw someone ask someone else's age in English by asking "How many years does she have?" which is the Spanish construction of the same question, rendered word-for-word in English. The literal English of that sentence would be rendered "How old is she?"

There's a bit more information on the Dave Arneson thread. http://www.dorktower.com/2009/04/08/dork-tower-april-8-2009-thanks-dave/ http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0644.html http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=21806 http://www.koboldquarterly.com/k/front-page460.php

Correct! As Regis Philbin says, "It's only easy if you know the answer." It's your turn.

Churches are one option in recovering from twi abusive thinking, abusive doctrine, and abusive practices. Some churches are quite good in helping people learn to actually treat others as if you love them like yourself. There's one in my neighborhood that would be a great place to learn substance over style. Do I agree with their doctrine? No. Can I work alongside the Christians there? Yes-and I have.

Where the heck are the younger players? They should have gotten it by now...

No.

On behalf of those who helped you, I'd like to say: It was our pleasure. On behalf of those who didn't help you, I'd like to say: I hope you've enjoyed the journey. Feel free to be social here and have a good time. Also feel free to leave whenever you want, or leave and return whenever and as often as you want. You're free now.

"Wow, look at all these people playing right now!" "Yeah, it's bull crap. I bet half of these people are Koreans!" "Whoever this person is, he's played World of Warcraft nearly every hour of every day for the past two years. Gentlemen, we are dealing with someone here who has absolutely no life." "How do you kill that which has no life?" "We can't give the Sword of a Thousand Truths to a newb!" "If you had a chance right now to go back in time and stop Hitler, would you do it? I mean, I personally wouldn't stop him because I think he was awesome, but YOU would, right?" "I'm just going to stop playing." "When Hitler rose to power, there were a lot of people who just stopped playing. You know who those people were? The French. Are you French, Clyde?" "No." "Voulez-vous coucher avec moi, Clyde?" "Okay, all right, I'll do it!" "Congratulations! You played Guitar Hero enough to score one million points!" "Dolphins and whales were framed by the real bombers. A chicken and a cow." "Chicken and Cow? CHICKEN AND COW?!" "CHICKEN AND COW USED POOR DOLPHIN AND WHALE AS A SCAPEGOAT?! THIS IS OUTRAGE!" "Hi, Billy Mays here for the little Country Handy Pillow. Are you tired of sitting in limbo? Lost somewhere between planes of existence? Well now there's a product that can help you--" "'....I love you all, but I have to move on. I'm going to Somalia to be--to be a pirate'? Oh, sh*!" "Who is Mysterion?" "Who is The Coon?" "I'm not doing it. Being in a dance group is totally conformist." "Yeah, I'm not conforming to some dance-off regulations. "I'm not doing it either. I'm the biggest non-conformist of all. "I'm such a non-conformist that I'm not going to conform with the rest of you. Okay, I'll do it. "Great!" ".....Whoa. I think we just got put in our place. "Yeah, we just got goth-served." "The Disney purity ring venture will most likely now prove a marketing bust, as Mickey returns to Valhalla to slumber and feed." "....Bugs Bunny and Superman and Harry Potter. They've changed my life, changed the way I act on the earth. Doesn't that make them kind of real? They might be imaginary, but they're more important than most of us here. And they're all gonna be around till long after we're dead. So in a way, those things are more realer than any of us." "I'm supposed to be in school right now, but instead I have Snarf, Popeye, and Luke Skywalker all ....ed off." "It's like a half-man, half-bear!" "And half-pig!" "I'm pretty sure killing Jesus is not very Christian." "The Hare Club for Men." "That kid's got as much hope as Steve Irwin in a tank full of stingrays." "This is too big a mystery for me, I think we better call in the Hardly Boys!" "Oh no, not the God d*--" "The Hardly Boys: two young whippersnappers with a taste for solving mysteries. The Hardly Boys in: The Case of the World Trade Center Conspiracy." "What the hell is this?! Skinless chicken, boiled vegetables and salad?! This is just like Auschwitz!" "Because they're people and you're a towel." "YOU'RE a towel!" "No, I'm a big book publisher whos not the least bit interested in your stony memoirs, you're a towel." "I'll sue you! I'll sue you in England!"

AFAIK, vpw ripped this part off of EW Kenyon. Basically, if you used initials, vpw would rip you off. JE Stiles, BG Leonard, EW Kenyon, EW Bullinger.... Those of you who sat through pfal may remember him mentioning the idea that people would thing what he was teaching was "just v.p. talking." Apparently, he tried to swipe the initials format, but it didn't work for him, so he dropped it early. He also dropped early the "w" hand signal, which supposedly just would have stood for the WOW program. (Don't remember it? There's a photo-with explanation- in twi's book "the way:living in love.")

Hey, if you want to keep your life private, that's fine. I've been here for years, and I keep my personal life private. I just don't like putting the details in cyberspace. So, anyone trying to spy on me online will only find out but so much. Not that I think I'm worth spying on in the first place, but there's a few sick people out there, and at least one HAS thought that, so... No, they weren't ex-twi. Twi never did have an exclusive right to anything that matters. They didn't even have an exclusive right to religious frauds or crazy people.

Of course, there's peers and there's peers...

"Wow, look at all these people playing right now!" "Yeah, it's bull crap. I bet half of these people are Koreans!" "Whoever this person is, he's played World of Warcraft nearly every hour of every day for the past two years. Gentlemen, we are dealing with someone here who has absolutely no life." "How do you kill that which has no life?" "Congratulations! You played Guitar Hero enough to score one million points!" "Dolphins and whales were framed by the real bombers. A chicken and a cow." "Chicken and Cow? CHICKEN AND COW?!" "CHICKEN AND COW USED POOR DOLPHIN AND WHALE AS A SCAPEGOAT?! THIS IS OUTRAGE!" "Hi, Billy Mays here for the little Country Handy Pillow. Are you tired of sitting in limbo? Lost somewhere between planes of existence? Well now there's a product that can help you--" "'....I love you all, but I have to move on. I'm going to Somalia to be--to be a pirate'? Oh, sh*!" "Who is Mysterion?" "I'm not doing it. Being in a dance group is totally conformist." "Yeah, I'm not conforming to some dance-off regulations. "I'm not doing it either. I'm the biggest non-conformist of all. "I'm such a non-conformist that I'm not going to conform with the rest of you. Okay, I'll do it. "Great!" ".....Whoa. I think we just got put in our place. "Yeah, we just got goth-served." "The Disney purity ring venture will most likely now prove a marketing bust, as Mickey returns to Valhalla to slumber and feed." "....Bugs Bunny and Superman and Harry Potter. They've changed my life, changed the way I act on the earth. Doesn't that make them kind of real? They might be imaginary, but they're more important than most of us here. And they're all gonna be around till long after we're dead. So in a way, those things are more realer than any of us." "I'm supposed to be in school right now, but instead I have Snarf, Popeye, and Luke Skywalker all ....ed off." "It's like a half-man, half-bear!" "And half-pig!" "I'm pretty sure killing Jesus is not very Christian." "The Hare Club for Men."

Human, the rest of us need another clue. (Generally, about 1 every 24 hours is neither too fast nor too slow.)

Don't recognize the quote, but I know "Lord of War" mentioned AK-47s. Is this it?

"Wow, look at all these people playing right now!" "Yeah, it's bull crap. I bet half of these people are Koreans!" "Whoever this person is, he's played World of Warcraft nearly every hour of every day for the past two years. Gentlemen, we are dealing with someone here who has absolutely no life." "How do you kill that which has no life?" "Congratulations! You played Guitar Hero enough to score one million points!" "Dolphins and whales were framed by the real bombers. A chicken and a cow." "Chicken and Cow? CHICKEN AND COW?!" "CHICKEN AND COW USED POOR DOLPHIN AND WHALE AS A SCAPEGOAT?! THIS IS OUTRAGE!" "Hi, Billy Mays here for the little Country Handy Pillow. Are you tired of sitting in limbo? Lost somewhere between planes of existence? Well now there's a product that can help you--" "'....I love you all, but I have to move on. I'm going to Somalia to be--to be a pirate'? Oh, sh*!" "Who is Mysterion?" "I'm not doing it. Being in a dance group is totally conformist." "Yeah, I'm not conforming to some dance-off regulations. "I'm not doing it either. I'm the biggest non-conformist of all. "I'm such a non-conformist that I'm not going to conform with the rest of you. Okay, I'll do it. "Great!" ".....Whoa. I think we just got put in our place. "Yeah, we just got goth served."

BINGO. So it's HwtB's turn.

This is a pretty good recap on how things seem to be going so far. ========================================== *puts the chair down* Ok, Robert E., you're sounding a lot more logical to me now then you did a night ago. I hope the second impressions the correct one (or at least closer) and the first impression was a fluke.

You know, I'd almost forgotten what it was like to deal with the blanket "I know more than you, I have all the answers, you know nothing" stuff endemic to twi. It's been so long since I've lived in the real world where people are allowed to not have all the answers, or to know some things but not others. Of course, the idea that we actually looked at the evidence and made informed decisions isn't even allowed to be CONSIDERED. A) Even the Aramaic-Primacy people on this thread admit-in this very thread- that there's no evidence for Aramaic texts of, say, the Epistles in the first 2 centuries AD. B) There's increasing amounts of evidence of Greek texts in the first 2 centuries AD. That includes in the places where, supposedly, the early Christians were Aramaic only- but mysteriously, their Aramaic texts are missing, and their Greek texts-which would have been useless to them, supposedly- have survived. Granted, that's not necessarily the "smoking gun" of documentation. However, it's a HECK of a case for Greek primacy of the Church Epistles. The existence of Greek texts in the earliest centuries (for the NT) has been PROVEN. The existence of Aramaic texts in the earliest centuries (for the NT) has been SPECULATED. Embracing the SPECULATED and discarding the PROVEN is not responsible scholarship. Turning around and accusing those who embrace the proven over the speculated of being "judgmental" is not only notably "judgmental", but it's also remarkably HYPOCRITICAL! Accusing them of not "grasping" the issues is not only unproven, it's INFLAMMATORY. Accusing them of being "short-sighted" because they looked at all the unearthed evidence is not only an ERROR, it's DEMEANING. That's forgivable if it's true, even if rude. When it's ERROR, like now, it's just an attempt to fog the actual issues and evidence. And to "allude" to all sorts of analogies that have nothing to do with the discussion while refusing to discuss the actual archeological evidence is little more than ANOTHER attempt to fog the actual issues and evidence. When one side of a discussion has to descend to 1) "I'm an expert and you dare not question me" and 2) "Those who disagree with me are unable to grasp the issues" while ducking the evidence, that's the side desperately trying to hide the fact that the evidence supports THE OPPOSITE SIDE. They'd rather be deceptive, live in denial, and forever BE wrong so long as they and other people can THINK they're right. For those who wonder why I bothered to analyze this and form a judgment, well, THEY were the ones who were making the comparison...