WordWolf

"How did you know it was me?" "There are different ways to recognize someone... the rhythm of their steps, for example." "You're... remarkable." "You want to watch a Karo-Net tournament, she wants to listen to music. So you compromise. You listen to music. You like Earth Jazz, she prefers Klingon opera... so you compromise. You listen to Klingon opera. So here you were ready to have a nice evening watching the Karo-Net match and you wind up spending an agonizing night listening to Klingon opera..."

It's very simple, you see. When vpw said it, it's sacrosanct, since it was an utterance of God and beyond question. When Steve L says it, it's to be vilified, since it's not what Mike wants to hear. So, first of all, reading what is written (the most basic vpw rule) goes out the window- what Mike WANTS IT TO SAY is now what it says. That's why Mike remembers himself as having won all sorts of debates here, never facing logic, and never facing reasonable questions. Mike rewrites the threads in his mind (or they're rewritten FOR him by his ACSFW spirit, I'm unclear which) and he ends up reading completely different threads than we do (or any stranger can.) So, all Mike HAS to offer is accusations, judgements, dodges, distractions, denials, non-informative questions, and so on.

You just confirmed his point- if the CRUCIAL part of the message was UTTERLY LOST, then the OVERALL MESSAGE was UTTERLY LOST. If all that's left of information is incidental and non-critical, it has been destroyed as a whole. How about an Amtrak train that had everything-except the ENGINE? Where's that going to take you? How about instructions for operating a device where how to turn it on and off, and troubleshoot, are missing? A flashlight missing batteries? An automobile with no engine, but all tricked out? If the CRUCIAL PART of something is lost, it is lost OVERALL. ============ In other words, what's inconvenient to you to be intact about God's Word- that's been irretrievably lost. The parts you don't care about- that can survive. Interesting how plenty of experts in the field have documented their findings, and come to the opposite conclusions as you. Obviously, you'll be smearing their character without learning anything about them- anything to try to discredit information that is inconvenient to you, or contradicts your claims.

Mike: It sure would be a nice contrast to the Mikean system, where the rules are determined by taking a stack of books with various editions, a stack of tapes, and a pile of magazines, and then rank information as having GREATER or LESSER authority. That's why Mike can't give a straight answer on anything. vpw claimed the Bible/Word functioned "with a mathematical exactness and with a scientific precision", and that nearly all of it explained itself "in the verse right where it is written." That would mean truth in one book would be internally consistent- and equally-reliable-- as truth in any tape, and so on. Each would stand alone as truth- if somehow the stack of books, tapes, and magazines was meant to be a single unbreakable book. The truth in Chapter 2 stands on its own, as does the truth in Chapter 22. But in the Mikean system, reading something in one book right where it's written is NOT authoritative- the Orange Book is NOT authoritative by itself- it must be interpreted in light of HUNDREDS of pounds of materials across a variety of media, and only in light of the Mikean belief system-a system missing from the Orange Book's keys to understand Scripture. So, ACCORDING TO THE MIKEAN SYSTEM, NONE of the books of vpw is actually "unbreakable" or "authoritative." It all has to be interpreted by Mike's system- and it's the Mikean system that's the single, authoritative standard. Those of you who want that system actually quantified, well, you'll be disappointed. The only PERMANENT parts are: "vpw's books are God-breathed." "Error in vpw's books are not actually error-but demonstrate a flaw in the reader." "Dodging, distracting are fine, but not admitting an error is an error." "Giving a straight answer rather than lots of vague questions is forbidden."

It was great-it was a natural gesture. We knew from "Rascals" that Jean-Luc grew up with hair. We knew from "the First Duty" that Jean-Luc had hair in his Academy days. (When he meets up with Boothby again, Boothby's first words to him are "I remember you. What happened to your hair?") That having been said, just ignore "Star Trek:Nemesis" whenever anything in it contradicts the series-the people in charge of that movie NEVER SAW Star Trek! It's why I can rattle off solutions to the "unsolvable" problems" in the last 20 minutes of the movie. (And why the Scimitar made no sense, the Romulans made no sense, Shinzon made no sense, the Remans just appear out of no where...) That movie was a huge step BACKWARD in script-writing. There were avoidable errors all over the movie. (Like the claim Picard shaved his head back at the Academy.)

Ok, since no one else is going to take it.... This is called, IIRC, "RASCALS." It's a NextGen episode where a transporter accident makes Picard, Guinan, Ro Laren, Keiko O'Brien children again. While they're kids, a handful of Ferengi, and their ship- manage to take the Federation's flagship prisoner. The kids are able to use their appearance as kids to turn the tables on the Ferengi. Ensign Ro HATED her childhood the FIRST time, and considered this a virtual prison sentence. Guinan-an adult for the last several hundred years- treated it like a vacation. Keiko was married with a child- and Miles was REALLY in a bad position no matter WHAT he did. Picard COULD have returned to the Academy, followed Archeology for a decade, "and still become the youngest Admiral in Starfleet history", but he wasn't able to accept the sudden step down. (He wasn't married or in a relationship, and had no dependents. Many people in his position would be THRILLED to return to the Academy, get a new degree, and gain another 30-40 years of relative youth.) Riker bought some time with the Ferengi by explaining the Enterprise's system- using the most technical language and technobabble to just confuse the Ferengi he instructed. Picard DID figure out the only way to get computer functions was to pretend to be Riker's son, and throw a tantrum if he couldn't see his father immediately. A young Alexander Rozhenko was also quite instrumental in carrying out their plans. (As he got older, he seemed to lose all his agility and dexterity though- the kid who snuck around HERE became a teen who drops things all the time in Klingon warships.

I think he's contrasting "you have to finish the foundational, then wait for the next time CFS runs" with "it's right in the foundational, when you're still forming your first impression of twi." I still think lcm's response right on tape says it all: "Don't see it? Too bad (laughs)- I do!"

I just finished skimming the entire thread in one sitting. Here's the closest he came to rebutting on this thread. =============================First response was page 7. page 8.

That's it! And if you haven't seen the show, you should try at least one episode. (CBS.com has the episodes for viewing, and the standard timeslot is CBS Monday 8pm-8:30pm.)

"First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me." - Hans Niemoller (translated)

Ok, if no one else is going to post one, I'll go. "This car weighs, let's say, 4,000 pounds. Now add 140 for me, 120 for you..." "120?!?" "Oh, I'm sorry. Did I insult you? Is your body mass somehow tied into your self worth?" "I’m a Sagittarius, which probably tells you way more than you need to know." "Yes, it tells us that you participate in the mass cultural delusion that the sun’s apparent position relative to arbitrarily defined constellations at the time of your birth somehow affects your personality." "Participate in the what?" "Love is not a sprint, it's a marathon. A relentless pursuit that only ends when she falls into your arms. Or hits you with the pepper spray..."

I want the answer now! Now now now now now!

It was reported here that lcm was so clueless, he thought people would be lining up to take his wap class. So, the idea behind "full-time ministers" was a full-time SALES FORCE for wap, with the idea that this would bring in lots of students and new wayfers. Of course, this failed miserably, and just resulted in having to pay a full-time sales force. Right after that came a purge of some of the full-time ministers. Coincidence? Doubtful.

Since God Almighty told us to obey man's laws, I'd say God Almighty agrees the legal expectation of citation is "appropriate" credit/ FALSE. That's easy for anyone who owns a copy of "Babylon Mystery Religion". The ENTIRE BOOK was based on the (PUBLIC DOMAIN) book "The Two Babylons." It's properly annotated all through the book- Woodruff credits Hislop correctly in every case. And NO ONE ever claimed that was a problem to read. Your opinion doesn't match the evidence OR any honest definitions. (This should be no surprise by now.) *** God can't contradict Himself. He told us to obey the laws of the land. Where God's people defied authorities in their day, they expected to go to jail-and they did. Look over Jeremiah's life to see what it's like for a man of God to "buck the trend" like you suggest about vpw. *** It's unoriginal and dishonest for you to keep saying this, but what else is new? First of all, vpw had classes of BG Leonard and Stiles' materials taught all over the US. How often does he mention "I'm taking sessions 9-12 directly from Leonard and Stiles?" We can all count to ZERO. So, first of all, this "free publicity" is a fiction. It's easy to see, since you claimed-in the SAME POST- that he left out the legally-appropriate citations. Second of all, plagiarism is illegal even IF you give it all sorts of qualifiers. "No one was hurt" "He benefitted the people he plagiarized" and various other lies don't change that.

Correct!

Mark, I think the "so-called" refers to the meaning of the term. From the Wikipedia entry on the same word, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedangta "The name 'Pedangta' is derived from the Syriac mappaqtâ pšîṭtâ (ܡܦܩܬܐ ܦܫܝܛܬܐ), literally meaning 'simple version'. However, it is also possible to translate pšîṭtâ as 'common' (that is, for all people), or 'straight', as well as the usual translation as 'simple'. Syriac is a dialect, or group of dialects, of Eastern Aramaic." "The name 'Pedangta' was first applied to the standard, common Syriac Bible in the ninth century, when it is called such by Moshe bar Kepha. However, it is clear that the Pedangta had a long and complex history before receiving its name. In fact the Pedangta Old Testament and New Testament are two completely separate works of translation." "The origin of the Pedangta New Testament is complicated by the existence of two other Syriac gospel traditions: the Diatessaron and the Old Syriac. The earliest New Testament translation into Syriac was probably Tatian's Diatessaron ('one through four'). The no longer extant Diatessaron, was a continuous harmony of the four gospels into a single narrative. It, rather than the four separate gospels, became the official Syriac Gospel for a time, and received a beautiful prose commentary by Ephrem the Syrian, which remains the chief witness to its content. However, the Syriac-speaking church was urged to follow the practice of other churches and use the four separate gospels. Theodoret, bishop of Cyrrhus on the Euphrates in upper Syria in 423, sought out and found more than two hundred copies of the Diatessaron, which he 'collected and put away, and introduced instead of them the Gospels of the four evangelists'." "The early Syriac versions of both Old and New Testament with the four gospels, excluding the Diatessaron, is called the Old Syriac (Vetus Syra) version. There are two fifth-century manuscripts of the Old Syriac separate gospels (the Sinaitic Palimpsest and Curetonian Gospels). These are a comparatively free translation of the Greek text, the so-called 'Western' recension of it, and apparently making use of the Diatessaron text for phrasing. The Old Syriac Gospels were probably produced in the third century (although some date it to the early fourth century). The Old Syriac uses the Pedangta Old Testament for Old Testament quotes (and thus is the earliest witness to its existence) in the gospels, even in places where the quote is quite different in the Greek. There is also evidence that translations of the Acts of the Apostles and the Pauline epistles also existed in the Old Syriac version, though according to Eusebius' Ecclesiastical History 4.29.5, Tatian himself rejected them. The Pedangta is a reworking of Old Syriac material to form a unified version of the scriptures for the Syriac-speaking churches. " The Wikipedia entry on Lamsa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_M._Lamsa "A native Aramaic speaker, he translated the Aramaic Pedangta (literally "straight, simple") Old and New Testaments into English." "Lamsa was a member of the Assyrian Church of the East. He was a strong advocate of one of that Church's beliefs: Pedangta primacy (a form of Aramaic primacy). His hypothesis was that for the New Testament, the Pedangta was the original text, and the Greek version was translated from it. In support of this, he noted that Aramaic was the language of Jesus and the earliest Christians,[1] because of the historical fact that, according to Lamsa, "Aramaic was the colloquial and literary language of Palestine, Syria, Asia Minor and Mesopotamia, from the fourth century B. C. to the ninth century A. D." [2] Lamsa further claimed that while most of the Old Testament was written in Hebrew, the original was lost and the present Hebrew version, the Masoretic text, was re-translated from the Pedangta."

"I thought you were dead!" "Me? Die, and miss all the excitement?" "Store's closed, Mister." "I'm not here for cigarettes or bubble gum, my boy." "Otis, I just never have a chance to have a good time around here." "Things change. Always do. You'll get your chance! Important thing is, when it comes, you've got to grab with both hands, and hold on tight!" "So it must be fate, destiny, blind chance, luck even, that brings us together. And as the poet said, the rest is history." "Where are you going? Where are you taking me?" "Hey, are you the kind of kid who reads the last page of a mystery first? Who pesters the magician to tell you his tricks? Who sneaks downstairs to peek at his Christmas presents? Noooo, of course you're not! That's-why-I'm-not-gon-na-tell-you!" "Oh, God." "Besides, I just love surprises, don't you?" "Classic military strategy: surprise attack." "It'll be a slaughter!" "That's the spirit!" "No, MY slaughter!" "I'm sorry, it was an accident. I didn't mean to step on your, uh, whatever that is." "You still want to go? And miss all the excitement?"

Right. We heard the famous line "A horse is a horse" (of course, of course), and Picard claims to be Mr Mot, the ship's barber, and Tim Russ plays a criminal The episode title is "Starship Mine." Your turn!

"Captain." "Mister Data. Bridge." "It has been quite a day, has it not?" "Yes it has." "However, a change of routine is often invigorating and can be a welcome diversion after a long assignment." "Exactly." "I understand that Arkaria has some very interesting weather patterns." "Data -- are you alright?" "Yes, sir. I was attempting to fill a silent moment with non-relevant conversation." "Small talk?" "Yes, sir. I have found that humans often make 'small talk' during awkward moments. Therefore, I have written a new subroutine designed for that purpose. How did I do?" "Perhaps it was a little too... non-relevant. However, if you're interested in small talk keep your eye on Commander Hutchinson during the reception this afternoon...... he's a master."

"I thought you were dead!" "Me? Die, and miss all the excitement?" "Store's closed, Mister." "I'm not here for cigarettes or bubble gum, my boy." "Otis, I just never have a chance to have a good time around here." "Things change. Always do. You'll get your chance! Important thing is, when it comes, you've got to grab with both hands, and hold on tight!" "Hey, are you the kind of kid who reads the last page of a mystery first? Who pesters the magician to tell you his tricks? Who sneaks downstairs to peek at his Christmas presents? Noooo, of course you're not! That's-why-I'm-not-gon-na-tell-you!" "Oh, God." "Besides, I just love surprises, don't you?"

"I thought you were dead!" "Me? Die, and miss all the excitement?" "Store's closed, Mister." "I'm not here for cigarettes or bubble gum, my boy."

Just looking, in general for Windows 7 information. I plan on sticking with XP as long as I can, and migrating in steps to Ubuntu Linux when that's no longer an option.

Ok, I remembered some of my funnier experiences. They were all in chatrooms, of course. One time, I became almost a bystander as 2-3 other people in the room became engrossed in a personal discussion about relationships. (Teenagers, of course.) The discussion got to some point where a guy was saying that this girl seemed to be flirting with him, but then the other person replied that they thought she was still going out with (another name.) That's when I began typing again. Me:"Maybe she wants a 'spare.' You know, a toyfriend." Him:NO!!!!! I will not play second banana!" Me: "Second kielbasa?" Him:"NO!" Me:"Second chorizo?" Him:"NO!" Me: "Second bratwurst?" Him:"I will not be a Second-Anything-Penis-Substitute!" I didn't reply to that. When you're doubled over your keyboard laughing, holding your stomach, you can't TYPE. There were also some running gags I did. After the anthrax mail scare in Manhattan, I had a running gag. I would go get coffee..... "AAAAH! There's ANTHRAX IN MY COFFEE! No, wait-that's sugar." Or getting french fries.... "Aaaaah! There's ANTHRAX ON MY FRIES! No, wait-that's salt." Some people heard me do that one once, and enjoyed sitting in on repeat performances a few days later.

I blanked on Dr Catheter saying that. (But I DID remember the character's name. How I forgot he was in the MOVIE is beyond me....)